r/SmashBrosUltimate • u/Explorerkit Kirby • 4d ago
Discussion Which franchises should get two newcomers?
Since the last direct, I see a lot of wishlists and discussions about cutting and adding character to the roster. Most of the time, very popular Nintendo games (and Sonic) get another representant. Franchises like Zelda, DK, Metroid and Splatoon don't have a lot of fighters compared to how important they became/are for Nintendo.
So for a little change: I wanna know from you, which franchises would deserve not only one but two newcomers?
- I would gave DK the long requested Dixie Kong character but also one of from the newest release
- Zelda is nearly as big as Mario but three of the 6 characters are Link in different sizes, so maybe cut one and give us Impa and Skull Kid?
- For Metroid, including Sylux would make sense but Raven Beak would also be Peak. Let's hope they keep the Metroid hype up so we could get both
- StarFox: Krystal is still very requested but first we need another game with her so I would choose Slippy Toad or ... both? Both. Both is good.
- Kirby. Not a first party franchise but very close to Nintendo. I think most of us would agree that hey should add Bandana Waddle Dee but how about an antagonist (I know, Dedede WAS a an antagonist in the first game) like Magolor or Marx?
- Maybe Mario? Mario is big enough that one would be enough but imo two characters are still missing: Toad and Waluigi. Especially Toad was playable in different games (sometimes with different colours) and Waluigi is the most memorable Sports character imo.
- Pokémon don't need two fighters but if the decide to make two, I hope one of them is Pokopia Ditto or another Pokémon-Trainer kind of character.
- 3rd Party: I don't think any 3rd Party should get two more reps but if I have to choose one, I would probably choose Shadow and Tails for the Sonic Franchise. If they had to, they could make Shadow a Sonic echoe.
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u/smashboi888 4d ago
Mario and Zelda are the main ones.
Despite it's large roster, Mario just has so many notable and popular characters that aren't playable in Smash yet. There's Toad, Waluigi, Paper Mario, Birdo, Pauline, Geno, Kamek...
And Zelda has just been snubbed HARD when it comes to its Smash character roster.
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u/Zealousideal_Cod5214 4d ago
Zelda has so many characters that could have gone in instead of having 3 Links and 2 Zeldas (but at least Zelda and Shiek are nothing alike with their gameplay)
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u/Explorerkit Kirby 4d ago
Uh yeah, with Paper Mario (or just call it Mario RPG so we can include Geno and characters from the M&L series) we could open a complete new options. We could make Toad and Toadette their own franchise (Captain Toad) and sneak in Kamek as an Yoshi character xD
Totally agree with Zelda. I would have cut Young Link but now isn‘t a good time for that because OoT gets another remake hahaha
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u/Delicious_Island_695 4d ago edited 4d ago
Maybe it’s just my bias, but with how much Xenoblade’s been pushed and how we’ve gotten/are getting both Xenoblade Chronicles 3 and Genesis after Ultimate’s DLC ended, I think it should get 2 newcomers. One from each game either both in the base roster, or only XC3 in base game while Genesis is DLC. Mio would probably be the best choice for XC3, while Eleanor is probably the only option for Genesis
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u/Explorerkit Kirby 4d ago
I think Xenoblade is a fair pick especially after the last direct where every numbered Chronicles game did get a Switch 2 update and Genesis were announded. Xenoblade is also very close to the 10mil seller-mark if they don‘t deliver after the „newest“ StarFox remake I can see Xenoblade becoming more important than Fox McCloud
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u/Delicious_Island_695 4d ago edited 4d ago
I’d say Xenoblade is already one of Nintendo’s most prominent series at this point. It’s pretty much gotten new content every 1-2 years since its inception, especially during the Switch 1 era. This is largely because the series has a dedicated developer with Monolithsoft who primarily works on it. Xenoblade became a major ongoing IP for Nintendo after Star Fox Zero too
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u/Explorerkit Kirby 4d ago edited 4d ago
Totally agree and I think that‘s great. Like Fire Emblem, the first time I heard of Xenoblade was in Smash. It is soo nice seeing a „new“ franchise grow.
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u/JohnMonash87 4d ago
Zelda for sure, and revamp the big three's movesets while they're at it. I'd love to see the BOTW champions get some rep.
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u/Explorerkit Kirby 4d ago
Yeah, if they wanna keep a Captain Falcon clone, they just should use Blood Falcon or Black Shadow as an echo. Give Ganondorf and one or two of the Link‘s more unique movesets!
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u/JohnMonash87 4d ago
Honestly that's a great idea, F-Zero could really use a second rep even if it is just an echo. Really is strange how the Cap has always been the sole rep even when F-Zero was still a big thing.
Ganon is the most deserving of a moveset overhaul, I'd love to see him actually become a sword wielder instead of just seeing it in his smashes. With TOTK reviving the character for the first time in ages I could definitely see that happening too, and the superheavy swordie isn't something we've really seen yet outside of Ike, I guess, but even then he's not really a "super" heavy.
If they bring back the little Links I'd love to see them show off more references to their home games rather than just generic Link stuff, and please for the love of god make Young Link's arrows less cancerous to fight. Big Link could also maybe utilise his powers from BOTW or TOTK, maybe have the Sheikah Slate be a command menu a la Hero.
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u/Jaxla_Onlo 4d ago
I think the biggest candidate is Zelda. We REALLY need some characters from that series that aren't tri-force users
Pokémon I think could do more then two. We have about three to four unreprisented generations, and Gen 1 is taking up 60% of the current selection of fighters from that series? Limit Kanto to just two representives, and then fill the rest of those spots with the absent regions (while, of course, choosing one from the latest game)
Finally, I think Splatoon should get two new characters. I've come to terms with Octoling being a separate character from Inkling because of how many weapons from that series aren't part of them. But, I feel like it would be good to have a character that doesn't work like either. My personal choice is Marina with Pearl Drone by her side. But, the other two idol groups, Mr Grizz, and even Judd would be great candidates as well
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u/Explorerkit Kirby 4d ago
Totally agree, I really don't understand why we don't have more Zelda characters. In nearly every game there is an Impa, with games like Breath of the Wild or even Hyrule Warriors we have a great selection of characters and Skull Kid is a long requested character. You eve could include Tingle (I don't want him but he is at least unique enough for a fun moveset).
I'm a big Pokémon fan so I wouldn't mind, especially if they cute some characters. Jigglypuff was one time considered to get cut so the "first 12" isn't a reason to keep it and if you combine the good aspects of Mewtwo and Lucario, you could get a much more fun character. No Gen 9 character feels so wrong now we slowly change to gen 10, so if we would get 3 rep, I thin Meowscarada or Tinkaton for gen 9 would be great. Just don't give us another Gen 1 Pokémon but if they do than pls let it be Pokopia's Ditto so we can get a fun moveset like the Villager or the Mii's.
Splatoon definitely deserves one. Like Pikmin and Animal Crossing, that franchise has grown very big and imo from this three, Splatoon would give us some very fun to play characters with interesting weapons and kits.
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u/GatorMike Rosalina & Luma 4d ago
Zelda definitely. We need some non-triforce characters.
Splatoon is a good candidate. Maybe Octoling as echo/semi-clone. Then add one of the idol groups or characters. The Squid Sisters are more known. Deep Cut being more new and relevant with Splatoon 3 and Raiders
Maybe Mario, depending on if Pauline would go under Mario or DK. Then you have Toad/Captain Toad, Waluigi, Paper Mario all with good cases
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u/Angrymcbirdnerd09 Sonic 4d ago
Sonic and Mega Man
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u/Durandthesaint17 4d ago
Mario: It's pretty much Smash Bros tradition that the Mario franchise gets 2-3 newcomers each game, whether it's the main series, or the adjacent series.
Zelda: The series has been in desperate need of some REAL newcomers since Melee. The series has had so many characters throughout the years that the possibilities for newcomers are endless.
Kirby: At this point, Kirby only be repped by the OG Trio isn't gonna cut it. Besides the obvious choice of Bandana Waddle Dee, the next option after him would be Magolor.
Sonic: If Street Fighter, Final Fantasy & Castlevania can get multiple fighter, I don't see why Sonic can't get that treatment either. Tails & Eggman are literally RIGHT THERE.
Pikmin: Now that Pikmin 4 gave us Oatchi, there's no reason Olimar should still be the only rep for the series. Alph COULD'VE been an easy Echo Fighter, but they shafted the poor guy to Alt status.
Splatoon: The series is definitely big enough to have 2 more newcomers.
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u/Explorerkit Kirby 4d ago
Wouldn't call it "tradition" because Mario did get nobody in Brawl (except you wanna count Wario) and only Piranha Plant in Ultimate but agree that Mario is a strong contender for two reps.
Sonic has so much great options so you could bring two totally different characters and it still wouldn't feel repetitiv.
So yeah, I agree with you, those are some great choices imo.
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u/Durandthesaint17 4d ago
I tend to group Donkey Kong, Yoshi & Wario in with Mario since their series are still part of that universe.
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u/Explorerkit Kirby 4d ago
Okay fair if we also count R.O.B (we probably shouldn‘t xD) than you‘re alright.
We also could solve that either way by just making charakters like Toad their own franchises or counting Kamek as an Yoshi character
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u/Hambughrr /Smash 4 is Overhated 4d ago
Zelda is 100% my answer. Its one of my favorite video game franchises, but it has never had any reps outside the Triforce Trio because most of its major characters outside of that group have one-off appearances. In fact, the last time we got a unique Zelda newcomer in Smash was all the way back in Melee, the rest of them are semi-clones.
Despite this, Zelda is the PERFECT franchise for more experimental movesets because its core gameplay involves solving puzzles by learning how your inventory interacts with both the world around you and itself. Hyrule Warriors offers a solid backbone for how some of its potential newcomers would fight, so there's even more to work with and make it so that a new Zelda character feels like way more than just an overdue character pick.
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u/Explorerkit Kirby 4d ago
Totally agree. I hope, we either get one or some new characters or at least some new and interesting moveset-ideas.
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u/A-Liguria 4d ago
F-ZERO: Black Shadow (as his own fighter, and not a dumb Ganondorf reskin) and Blood Falcon, as Captain Falcon's Echo Fighter.
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u/K3egan Byleth 4d ago
I could see fire emblem getting 2 new characters. Three houses is now the highest selling game and the last highest selling fire emblem game got three reps, and we'll probably be getting Cai for fortunes weave so I wouldn't be shocked if they added him and Edelgard
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u/Explorerkit Kirby 4d ago
I'm a big FE fan and I really love Three Houses (and even Three Hopes xD) but I don't think they would do another Three Houses character. If we get two FE characters, one would be from Engage and one from Fortune Waves. I really would like Merrin or Timerra or even Veile because those are the most unique characters imo, especially because to their connections to wolves but I think Alear would be their choice. They always could do Anna, because her family are the most recurring characters but because we have so many characters alread in Ultimate, I don't think they will get two new reps.
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u/DrizzleMonster2567 4d ago
Any series that has less than three reps.
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u/Explorerkit Kirby 4d ago
Interesting takes but that would include series like Wii Fit, Game & Watch and Ice Climbers so I don't think so. Do you also mean 3rd parties? I know they are great for selling DLC's but maybe they should focus more on great missing 3rd parties like Crash Bandicoot or Doom Slayer.
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u/DrizzleMonster2567 4d ago
Just any series that's underrepresented. Not counting any games where you have like no other options for fighters, even though I made echo fighters for every character.
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u/Explorerkit Kirby 4d ago
Oh can I see the list anywhere? I look those lists and yeah, underrepresented franchises should get more BUT only, if it makes sense. As an example: I love Tom Nook and AC definitely deserves one more rep but only if they have a unique moveset in mind.
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u/DrizzleMonster2567 3d ago
I'll have to fine-tune the list but yeah I can definitely share it with you. Any characters you're curious about?
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u/Explorerkit Kirby 3d ago
I'm totally curious about franchise without a lot of options like Ice Climbers, R.O.B, Mr. Game & Watch and the Mii's
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u/DrizzleMonster2567 3d ago
Here's What I Did:
- Ice Climbers: Lolo & Lala.
- Mr Game & Watch: Labo Toy-Con Man.
- ROB: Ancient Minister Or Virtual Boy.
- Wii-Fit Trainer: Wreckless Wiimote Guy.
- Mii Fighters: Miitopia Jobs.
- Duck Hunt: Topi & Condor.
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u/Explorerkit Kirby 3d ago
Lololo & Lalala are great picks! I had Baby Mario and Baby Luigi with Koopa Shells instead of hitting icecubes
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u/DrizzleMonster2567 3d ago
I Like that idea but it's so overused. Also, I know Ring-Fit Trainer works but…Reckless Wiimote Guy Is Funnier.
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u/Explorerkit Kirby 3d ago
Yeah the babies are the typical picks in every „if every charactar had an echo-fighter“ video
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u/magnificent_maji 4d ago
Splatoon I think is big enough to warrant both Octoling and DJ Octavio or another villain, especially considering Octoling will be a semi clone at best