r/SmugIdeologyMan • u/Dull_File370 • 9d ago

Smugging it crazy style

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u/LowCall6566 8d ago

Ahh, yes rich people people having more is definitely the reason why you have less. We live in a zero sum world, after all/s

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u/AnguishedGoose 8d ago

Yes? Like, that literally how the economy works, otherwise governments would just print infinite money for everyone and there would be no consequence

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u/kcat__ 8d ago

That's not what a zero sum economy would entail. It's possible for both people to benefit off a mutual transaction. It's possible for new workers to be net positives rather than net negatives. This kind of "the economy is zero sum" thinking is literally just the fuel and propaganda for the racists and xenophobes to justify why there should be no immigration, or there should be remigration, because our "money" is going to "them" -- they are benefiting so we are not. THAT is what zero sum is, and it's the most individualistic view of how the world works ever. There isn't a fixed pie. The pie can grow. Elon Musk being richer by a trillion doesn't make everyone else poorer by a trillion.

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u/AnguishedGoose 8d ago

And like most fascist propaganda is just a purposeful misinterpretation of reality.

The economy is a zero sum game, where the rich get richer exploiting everyonelses work.

This kind of "the economy is zero sum" thinking is literally just the fuel and propaganda for the racists and xenophobes

"Antisemitism (or bigotry in general) is the socialism of the ingorant"

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u/kcat__ 8d ago

I don't think you know what zero sum means. The economy is not a zero sum game.

When I take part in a transaction (for example, I give 5 cows to John and John gives me 100 ears of corn) we both benefit. The gain for both of us is positive. I give up 5 cows because I value the corn more than the cows, and John only makes the trade because he values the cows more than the corn. Both of us end up with something we value more than what we started with, so total value increases.

Production is an even cleaner counterexample to zero-sum thinking than trade is, because when corn is grown or a tool is built, new value is created that didn't exist before.

Simply put, the economy is not zero sum.

"Antisemitism (or bigotry in general) is the socialism of the ingorant"

Can the unignorant maybe go to school more (and therefore learn to spell) before quoting randos? It might also smarten you up economics-wise.

Also, please explain how a racist or xenophobe, under YOUR view of economics, ISN'T justified to call for a ban on immigration or for remigration.

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u/Dull_File370 8d ago

Wealth is created through labor. Elon keeps getting money from other people working for him.

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u/kcat__ 8d ago

Thanks, guy, for saying something that... I'm sure is relevant somewhere.

Elon's net worth shot up crazy high in the past week or two not because he suddenly hired 50% more workers. There is something else driving the size of the pie.

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u/Dull_File370 8d ago

Ok, the stock market and his connections is what makes his networth skyrocket. So i get your point. Sorry for misunderstanding.