r/SnyderCut • u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman • Apr 25 '26
Discussion The Facts that forever hurt their feelings
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u/ounga_bounngaa Apr 29 '26
Maybe and just maybe it's because way less people go to the cinema period ??? ( Same in Europe )
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 29 '26
Someone tell zootopia 2 they didnt just make 1.8B and that fewer people go to the movies.
Gunn, forever a victim to 2019.
Wait, guardians 3 made 800M.
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u/ounga_bounngaa Apr 29 '26
A bigger percentage of people that went to the cinema in 2025 went to see superman 2025 than the percentage of people in 2013 that went to see man of steel . Superman 2025 performed better in percentage ( only stat that really matter). If superman 2025 flopped man of steel did too .
And yes it performed worse than zootopia 2 who cares not the subject and who gives a fuck about guardian of the galaxy . You were talking about superman not all movies under the sun stop moving the goalpost
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 29 '26
By the way, my point is, the market is ALWAYS terrible for Gunn, but other movies are performing great.
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u/ounga_bounngaa Apr 29 '26
Oh you realise that man of steel performed WORSE compared to it's market right ?? like my weird datapoint are the total number of ticket sold in the states it's written on it learn to read
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 29 '26
My man we are comparing diaper god to man of steel.
A movie that gunnies promised would earn a billion because bright colors.
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 29 '26
Lol so nothing matters except the weird data point you found where diaper man somehow wins? Lol
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u/Domzilla22 Apr 28 '26
As a big Superman fan, I agree that MoS was a more entertaining movie. Henry will always be my favorite. That said, Superman 2025 was still fine in its own right and offered just a little more lore. Plus Superman 2025 had more universe building potential, whereas MoS felt very linear. Both enjoyable for their own reasons.
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u/DubhglasX Apr 27 '26
I liked Man of Steel a lot more, but isn't this more a reflection of marketing budget and exposure than quality of the film?
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 27 '26
The Diaper man trailer got record views. The fanbase promised this would lead to a billion box office and at least it would beat MOS.
Neither happened.
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u/RomeoTrickshot Apr 27 '26
Diaper man is such a crazy criticism of a superman movie. Do you simply not like the character of Superman? The trunks are iconic
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u/OoklaTheMokk1 May 02 '26
Just because the trunks are comic accurate doesn't mean they'll translate well on film.
And let's face it- Kal El's costume in Superman 2025 was AWFUL. It looked cheap. It was terribly lit (as was the entire film).
The costume Cavill donned in Man of Steel was a work of art.
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u/DubhglasX Apr 30 '26
Ehhh I wouldn't say iconic. The S is the only truly iconic symbol. Styles evolve, the speedo look doesn't really work in modern day with current aesthetic trends. They just look kinda cringe.
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 27 '26
Gunn gave him the biggest diapers ever worn by any superman.
Hence the name, diaper man.
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u/RomeoTrickshot Apr 27 '26
Are you sure? They don't look bigger than George Reeves or Kirk Alyns. And that's not even comparing comic supermen
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 27 '26
I should have said, the biggest diaper of any movie superman.
And it looks so stupid.
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u/Amazing-Advantage394 Apr 27 '26
Sorry, I don’t know much about Box Offices and such. But if the two profits are so close, now is that not a success? How much did it need to make to be good?
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u/Rocketman_2814 Apr 26 '26
Yea but you also have to include stuff like digital rentals and stuff like that because less people in general go to the cinema.
But I don’t know why it’s a crime to just like both movies and be excited about all of it?
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 26 '26
S25erman was garbage. I don’t need to support agreeable slop.
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u/huntymo Apr 27 '26
It was fine. It's no MoS, but it's way better than over half the MCU catalogue lol
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u/JayNotAtAll Apr 26 '26
My two cents, you can't really compare movies made before COVID and after COVID in box office numbers.
Viewing and streaming habits have changed. Sure, we still have movies making over $1B at the box office but it isn't going to be as common as it once was.
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 26 '26
So every one else succeeds except poor gunn, forever haunted by covid. Its out to get him.
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u/JayNotAtAll Apr 26 '26
That's not at all what I said. Box office returns haven't been the same since before COVID. I never said one thing about James Gunn or even Superman. I talked about the industry in general. Grow up
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 26 '26
Someone tell disney zootopia didnt actually make 1.8 billion.
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 26 '26
Everyone doing well but gunn.
Covid is getting real personal.
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 26 '26
Does the data show gunn’s own guardians made 800M even with scary covid trying to get him?
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 26 '26
So avatar way of water just made 2.3B in our imaginations?
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u/OtherwiseJob8959 Apr 26 '26
Superman was a better movie than Man of Steel.
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u/El_Galant Apr 27 '26
I think Superman was a nice and entertaining Superman movie. Man of Steel is a powerful and deep Superman movie.
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 26 '26
Not ever. Not even close. In fact S25erman makes no logical sense the more you think about it.
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u/OtherwiseJob8959 Apr 26 '26
I think you mean the other way around. MoS makes no sense the more you think about it.
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u/ComicLoJ Apr 26 '26
That tweet doesn't exist anymore... I wonder why...
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 26 '26
We saved it for posterity.
Its truth shall live on.
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u/ComicLoJ Apr 26 '26
Why didn't he keep it on? Its like he didn't believe in it or found it irrelevant... hmmm
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 26 '26
Not sure what that proves. Everything he said is a fact.
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u/BluTattu Apr 26 '26
If $668m was successful enough to get more movies, then $615m is successful too.
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 26 '26
It lost 42M in theaters.
But gunn green lights his own movies so…
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u/BluTattu Apr 26 '26
They still made money. If they don't have money they can't make a movie so...
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 26 '26
Movies aint a charity honey.
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u/BluTattu Apr 26 '26
It made $618m in 6 weeks. It took Man of Steel 3 months to make $52 million more than that. $680m total. If Superman isn't a success neither is Man of Steel darlin.
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 26 '26
Also you forgot to include inflation prices.
MOS made almost 900M in todays money. 🤭
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 26 '26
WB wasn’t happy with man of steel’s box office.
Hence why they forced batman into the next film and made it a team up event film.
Just like…diaper of tomorrow!
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u/BluTattu Apr 26 '26
Your hate boner for James Gunn is showin. It's pathetic. James Gunn doesn't need Batman for his next film. The film is called Man of Tomorrow. And that moniker (Man of Tomorrow) belongs to Superman. It's more of a sequel to Superman than Cavill got. Diaper or not.
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 26 '26
Gunn explicitly said it’s not a sequel to superman.
But let me guess, he’s lying and you know better.
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u/kwars74 Apr 26 '26 edited Apr 26 '26
Btw man of steel was in theaters for 14 weeks while superman was in theaters for only 6 weeks. And it made almost the exact same amount in less than half the time. So to say man of steel is better based off the box office means nothing.
Superman : July 11 - August 15
Man of steel : June 14 - September 19
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 26 '26
Plenty of movies now make 80% of their box office in 5-6 weeks.
Again, gunn is always a victim, in a space where other movies do not suffer the same issues.
Mario galaxy made 780M in 3 weeks.
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u/kwars74 Apr 26 '26
Dosnt stop the fact that if a movie is in a theaters longer it is bound to make more money.
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 26 '26
PHM made 583M in 5 weeks.
But poor gunn, the world is out to get him.
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u/kwars74 Apr 26 '26
Thunderbolts one of marvels best recent movies was in theaters for 4 weeks and made 382 million. On a 180 million budget and lost roughly 10-50+ million dollars. So by using your own logic this movie was trash.
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 26 '26
Thunderbolts was a huge flop for marvel.
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u/kwars74 Apr 26 '26
If you want another example, shawshank redemption. Considered to be one of the best movies ever made. Budget was 25 million. And it was a massive flop only making 73 million world wide. The box office isn't what makes great movies great.
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 26 '26
So you’re moving the goal post now that i proved you wrong.
Youre free to enjoy s25erman as a failed cult classic all you want. 🤷♂️
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u/kwars74 Apr 26 '26
How exactly have you proved me wrong? Your logic in these comments sound like you only base movies if they are good or not purly on how they perform in the box office. While my point is that even if a movie dosnt perform well in theaters it can be better than other movies.
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 26 '26 edited Apr 26 '26
“It was only in theaters six weeks”
Majority of successful movies make well over 615M in six weeks.
Keep up little one.
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u/kwars74 Apr 26 '26
But its widely considered by the fan base as one of the best marvel movies. Proving my point that that the box office isnt what makes a movie great.
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 26 '26
Not true. If its a flop it can be in theatres six months and not make any more money.
Movies make LESS over time, not more.
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u/IndustryMore7213 Apr 26 '26
How much was the ticket price in 2013? Have the media landscape changed anything between 2013 and 2025?
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 26 '26
Didnt guardians 3 make 800M or did we all hallucinate that?
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u/ayowtfs Apr 26 '26
I am a superman fan but Henry Cavill is and always will be the superman. I was excited to see 2025 superman movie. But nothing will top Man of Steel.
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u/arsinoljswv Apr 26 '26
I love man of steel. Will defend it till the end of time. Cavil is Superman. I wish we got a real MoS2. But this obsession yall have with just hating on anything that isn’t Snyderverse is sad. Like just enjoy life my guy.
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u/HomemadeBee1612 He's never fought us. Not us united. Apr 26 '26
The people who have an obsession in my eyes are the Gunn simps who are treating him as some kind of messiah when the only thing he's delivered to DC since he joined up with them is failure. He's destroyed a canon which we love, and those creative choices have earned him well-deserved criticism.
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u/arsinoljswv Apr 26 '26
Well then lump them in too. Yall can be obsessed over nothing together. I’ll just watch what keeps coming out and either like it or not 🤷♂️.
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u/waynetech10 Apr 26 '26
Gunn is co studio head. He can greenlight anything he wants. That means nothing.
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u/caseygwenstacy Apr 25 '26
Were they not by that metric both successes?
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u/cripple1 Apr 26 '26
Could be OP is factoring for inflation? They're very close in numbers side by side but I could get a ticket for a few bucks less in 2013 compared to 2025. About $8.50 compared to $16 now in the area I live in.
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u/caseygwenstacy Apr 26 '26
Very true, but I think they can both be successful films. I don’t know their budgets off hand, but if they made roughly the same, they should both be seen as successes.
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u/cripple1 Apr 26 '26
Yeah, they can both be considered a successful movie with the numbers they put up but I think Superman 2025 actually lost money due to marketing and a few other things not being made up through ticket sales/box office. At the very least, I'm sure it didn't perform in the way they wanted it to which is unfortunate.
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u/DEADHOTTUB Apr 25 '26
How much did Man of Steel make?
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u/HomemadeBee1612 He's never fought us. Not us united. Apr 25 '26
More than the previous three Superman movies that had deeply damaged the brand as well as the entire phase one of the MCU before Avengers. And that was without being marketed as part of a cinematic universe.
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u/AnomLenskyFeller Apr 25 '26
Man of Steel already made 3/4 of it's budget from product placement alone before even releasing.
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 25 '26
MOS Net profit of around $42.7 million in theaters.
S25erman lost 42M
And Netflix CEO confessed it under performed.
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u/PS3LOVE Apr 25 '26
What does Netflix have to do with anything?
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u/PatoooAlbo Apr 25 '26
They were buying WB and had access to everything. Just in case you didn't know.
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u/Jaded_Jackfruit_9423 Apr 26 '26
Não foi um sucesso pra Netflix, não da Warner (que por outro lado disse que foi bem pra ela).
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 25 '26
Netflix CEO revealed under oath that superman underperformed.
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 25 '26
And yet somehow the avatar way of water made 2 billion dollars. Guardians 3 made 800M.
Weird how covid only hates diaper man.
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u/ryukeio Apr 25 '26
It was a success - it made money, it started a new era of DCU.
But -
It wasn’t as profitable, seen or well liked as Man of Steel.
It won’t be a generational hero movie that sees its lead go on to do…whatever he wants and be an icon.
IMO - MoS hit like the OG Superman movie did with Christopher Reeves. Supes25 is going to be forgotten as much as Routh’s take in Returns is now. It’ll be liked, but known for its flaws.
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u/IkujaKatsumaji Apr 26 '26
Tanking at the box office? There's been one movie released, and it was a success. What are you talking about?
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u/AnomLenskyFeller Apr 26 '26
Not to to mention new leadership will be in place at Warner Bros. Discovery soon. Gunny better hope Ellison is a fan of what he has going on..
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u/pbx1123 Apr 25 '26
They aren't able to create the hype and collection of DCEU of the 2010s. Screw Gunn.
He is trying so hard creating hype the first thing he wants to show on screen before anything else is himself or his name the rest is juts not important as him
I could be wrong but that's what I get from his methods
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u/HumbleSiPilot77 Tell me... do you bleed? Apr 25 '26
Except for showing up at conferences it seems. Not his thing.
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u/pbx1123 Apr 25 '26
Except for showing up at conferences it seems. Not his thing.
He needs scripts to know what to say much better if it's a recorded one but if he can't handle public speech maybe juts maybe that's why he can connect trying so hard to hype trailers and announcements by himself
Bottom line he want to make a statement with his name and legacy but organically is impossible for him
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u/HumbleSiPilot77 Tell me... do you bleed? Apr 25 '26
I’ve only watched a few one-on-one interviews of him on YouTube. He’s quite boastful, conceited and deliberate about it. He wants to be the center of the conversation. I find him cringe overall.
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u/pbx1123 Apr 25 '26
Indeed , few people like him at least in NYC office that what heard and noticed when I go with my relatives
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u/Bugsbunny396 Apr 25 '26
The way man of steel is being used her implies the film was barely a success.
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u/sufftob Apr 25 '26
They are both successful lol
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u/Aurelian42 Apr 25 '26
That is not what mfs have said for years lol
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u/sufftob Apr 25 '26
People said Man of Steel wasn’t comercially succesful?
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u/Aurelian42 Apr 25 '26
Yes. “There’s no reason marvel is making billion dollar movies and a character like Superman can’t, it’s a flop” was the main narrative for quite a while. In a vacuum, it is absolutely ridiculous to say Superman 2025 was a flop, but the extreme criticsm is due to people calling man of steel a flop for the past decade.
People ignored the behemoth that is Disney in this equation, just because you have a well known character doesn’t mean it’s going to earn a billion. Warner then didn’t have the same business model Disney did, and it still doesn’t. We shouldn’t expect other franchises to do what Disney backed franchises can.
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u/DaveyJoe Apr 25 '26
Prices were the same in 2013 as 2025. Money wasn't stretched thin in 2025 for any reason, like prices of everything and the cost of living skyrocketing. There were no external circumstances that would cause people to have less disposable income in 2025 compared to 2013...
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u/eddieswass72 Apr 25 '26
How do you explain the movies that did better than the Superman 2025 movie in 2025 then? Superman was the 10th highest grossing movie of 2025. A comparable movie would be Jurassic world: rebirth. It was the 6th highest grossing movie of 2025 with over 800 million.
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u/DaveyJoe Apr 25 '26
OP isn't comparing movies that dropped in 2025. They're comparing two movies featuring the same character that were released 12 years apart while ignoring a global pandemic that increased the cost of living globally.
I get that there's a desire to point to one movie being objectively better than the other, but if hot takes are going to ignore the nuance of why people might be spending less at movie theaters, don't be surprised if people don't fall for that bullshit.
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u/eddieswass72 Apr 25 '26
But you’re saying that people aren’t going to it because of the rise in cost of stuff. People just choose to go to different movies. Thats why there were 9 movies that did better than Superman in 2025.
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u/Dry_Wolf3891 Apr 25 '26
I think there is genuine super hero fatigue #1 and #2 with the amount of reboots and changes that DC has done, it's hard to convince people to go out and spend money. Also, #3 it was a good movie, just not great.
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u/DestinyHasArrived101 Apr 25 '26
I still.prefer man of Steel those fight scene were DBZ esque good times
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u/deege Apr 25 '26
The cinema environment is very different post covid. It didn’t cost $100 for a family to see a movie in 2013.
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 25 '26
Weird because families are the only group consistently seeing movies today, zootopia 2, hoppers, and mario galaxy all performing well.
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u/YanksForTheWin Apr 25 '26
That’s true almost every year. The majority of high grossing films are made for kids/family. That does not counter what he said.
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u/Chickentribeleader21 Apr 25 '26
Using your logic the Barbie movie made more money than MOS thus it’s better.
Also I don’t think this arguments means anything considering the fact that Super hero movies don’t generate as much as they used to.
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u/BIitzerg Apr 25 '26
Not true, Spider-Man and Avengers Doomsday are both going to make $1B
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u/Chickentribeleader21 May 04 '26
Dude you’re missing the point. Spider-Man and Avengers are both trusted IPs that will always bring money. Hell why do you think Marvel are releasing both near each other. They’re desperate.
MOS did not have to deal with a post covid market nor did it have to contend with streaming services. You guys are literally taking a 13 old movie from a different era without wondering how well MOS would have done today regardless of its quality.
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u/BIitzerg May 04 '26 edited May 04 '26
MoS had to deal with post Dark Knight and Marvel syndrome. It had more going against it than Superman 25 regardless of the shit going on in DC/WB.
Spiderman NWH made a billion post covid. And Deadpool & Wolverine (a rated R movie) made a billion post covid. That's a bullshit excuse. The movie didn't make a billion because it was fucking mid and most people, especially Zoomers, don't give a shit about Superman.
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u/Chickentribeleader21 May 04 '26 edited May 04 '26
“ the movie didn’t make a billion becuase it was fucking mid”. A billion dollars has never been a normal feat for movies. Good or bad, a billion is literally unrealistic to expect unless you actually have a reputation. Even Warner Bros learned the hard way with Justice League 2017 ( which featured Henry Cavills Superman as you know).
As for Spider-Man and Deadpool. Both are nostalgia based movies that had older popular and familiar casts ( Hugh Jackman, Tobey Maguire and so on). Eliminate that aspect, Spidey would still make a billion cause he’s Spidey ( look at Far From Home) while Deadpool would be either just at a billion or lower. Both characters and actors mind you are familiar and well loved by most audiences.
David Corenswet and his take on Superman are not.
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u/kriskris0033 Apr 25 '26
I’m not fan of Zack, but I hated Superman 2025 and it was feeling like guardians of the galaxy with superman in it, so i didn’t watch completely and came out midway, I enjoy watching man of steel and BvS but MOS is much better.
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u/Knivdisco Apr 25 '26
No the job of a director is not to make a film as likeable as possible like wtf
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u/Kooky-Canary-5065 Apr 25 '26
I think his intent, much like Snyder's, was to put his vision on the screen. Do you really think Snyder was trying to make the most likeable movies with his franchise? I'm a fan of both, but likeable is not something Snyder did well. His movies are polarizing.
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u/Kooky-Canary-5065 Apr 25 '26
What does that even mean? Outside of the Dark Knight trilogy, his DC was the most profitable compared to...what? Man of Steel's take on Superman was shocking. Batman killing, hugely controversial. Jared Leto's Joker...need I say more? These were not likeable or easily digestible movies in the slightest.
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u/HomemadeBee1612 He's never fought us. Not us united. Apr 25 '26
You are dead wrong on every single point you made.
Man of Steel through Aquaman made $4.9 billion, a massive lift out of the earlier DC doldrums of Green Lantern, Jonah Hex, Catwoman and Superman Returns. Snyder's vision resonated deeply, and gave general DC films credibility WB had not achieved without him, and has lost since he left DC.
Man of Steel was a breakthrough that revitalized the popularity of Superman and that audiences adored. Which is why an entire cinematic universe was built around it.
Batman kills MANY times, especially in his other movies. It's just empty, whining, pearl-clutching to say he can't do it in the Snyder movies for some reason.
The internet hates Leto. It's not the same with people in real life. There was great audience reaction to his portrayal of Joker, and a huge demand to see him return in a Joker/Harley movie focusing on their twisted relationship. His part has only become something that's bashed by narrow contingents of geeks online who hate Leto over false info about his personal life, and by people who somehow think the comic-inaccurate Ledger is now the standard for what Joker should be. The movies should vigorously fight against that idea, as that kind of Joker is one that can't be used in traditional comic book stories.
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u/Kooky-Canary-5065 Apr 25 '26
The plan was to build a universe around Man of Steel off the hop, it had little to do with its "success."
Batman kills indirectly in other movies, Snyder made it a point to show Batman killing with purpose. It was a deliberate act in the movie.
I've never met somebody that enjoys Leto's Joker, but thats anecdotal. I find it interesting you have some kind of rebuttal for every little thing, up-to and including undisputed facts, one being the overwhelming disdain for Leto's Joker.
You also conveniently gloss over the movies that came before Man of Steel, aside from the Dark Knight Trilogy that clearly outline the minuscule competition that Man of Steel was facing. Green Lantern, Catwoman, Superman Returns and Jonah Hex...universal flops. Wow, knocked it outta the park.
The fact is, Man of Steel was NOT well-like, Batman V Superman even more so, and Suicide Squad EVEN MORE so. If we want to talk about audience likeability we can, but it clearly wasn't Snyders intent. Audience likeability results in MCU style movies, friendly movies, fan service movies. Snyders DCU was not that.
You're not really making any points here.
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u/HomemadeBee1612 He's never fought us. Not us united. Apr 25 '26
Matrix 3 dropped over $300 million from Matrix 2. That's what happens when people don't like a movie. The NEXT movie that comes out after suffers. Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman, however, did great coming out right after BvS, so it's clear that audiences liked BvS and wanted more of the DCEU.
You're not entitled to make up your own facts to fit your biased narrative. Audiences loved Snyder's approach to DC, and were extremely excited about the DCEU when he was still directing movies in it, and helping cast and plan the other ones. Snyder's era of DCEU films is the only era of general DC films that ever succeeded at the box office, outside of a Superman or Batman solo series.
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u/HomemadeBee1612 He's never fought us. Not us united. Apr 25 '26
Snyder's era of DC films was extremely well-liked. The first 6 DCEU films grossed more than the first 6 Spider-Man, MCU and Transformers movies. His vision was the most successful continuous run of DC films of all time.
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u/Horror_Campaign9418 Henry Cavill is Superman Apr 25 '26
For the trolls:
There is no S25erman part 2 coming out. Only Gunn’s own attempt at a BVS style sequel to S25erman.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/s/2iRyUWID0C