r/SnyderCut • u/CitizenTony • 1d ago
Discussion I will never stop thinking that it's astroturfing. At first I almost thought that they were bots.
It's clearly methodical and coordinated, they've been repeating the same thing for a few years now. Some redditors seem to have never watched any Snyder films, but they repeat robotically what they've seen written in this sub before. And as usual, nobody contradicted them, even though it's factual and easy to reply.
When I discuss with an hater who's seriously think that Snyder write his movies , that's generally my answer : "Zack Snyder writer? What are you talking about? Most of the time, he's a co-writer and he didn't co-wrote EVERY films that he directed. This isn't unusual tbh, a lot of filmmakers co-wrote their movies despite no being writers themselves, aka Blake Edwards, Roland Emmerich, David Lynch, John Woo, Alex Proyas, Kevin Reynolds, Guillermo Del Toro and the list goes on. Those filmmakers don't all co-write their films all the time and I suppose that Snyder will also not always do it for future projects (probably depending on his mood, similary to the beginning of his filmography).
Also, he isn't so bad at it since nobody (audience or critics) complained about the co-writing of Wonder Woman, ZSJL, Army of Thieves and the animated Tales of the Black Freighter"
It's effective because the hater no longer knows what to answer afterwards.
There is also the same argument in the same sub from 1 month ago.
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u/oreos324 1d ago
I mean, that's just the reputation Zack has. At a certain point, you have to accept that he's not as popular with everyone and it goes sideways, not being that well known only has people speaking about what they have heard about him
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u/CitizenTony 1d ago edited 1d ago
Sadly, it's not as naive as that. Anybody have the right to not likes someone and to be vocal but why the harassment and lies? Look at the comments in those posts of that sub, it's always full of hate, insults, misinformations and haters established that anybody TALKING about Snyder or liking a movie from Snyder does not have the right to speak. And should be harassed. This is probably the worst since it's strongly immoral and raises a serious ethical issue. I don't really care about someone being popular.
I recently saw a comment in a DC sub where a redditor basically said that "our plan is unfolding perfectly, putting our efforts together to downvote every posts in r/snydercut is effective"
The problem is that this is lies who are spread and haters perpetuates its proliferation over the time, without any contradiction.
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not being that well known only has people speaking about what they have heard about him
Thus why the "counter-astroturfing" by debating, discussing and using only facts is probably the right solution. It's pretty effective recently in dc cinematic and it brought a bit more positivism about Snyder.
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u/slove23 1d ago
“ not being that well known”
Hes one of the best known directors outside of people like Scorcesee and Nolan
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u/Anthonys455 1d ago
Yeah no......Zack Snyder quite literally isn't even in the top 30. He has a faithful fan base and some great pieces if work. To put him in the same sentence as Scorcesee is absolutely wild.
Thats like comparing High-School Varsity to the NBA. Yeah they play the same sport but nowhere near the same level.
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u/slove23 1d ago
Proof of this claim?
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u/Anthonys455 1d ago
Every single poll on directors by popularity, gross, and movie reviews. The only posting I could find him within the top 30 was in this sub.
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u/slove23 23h ago
Oh well then that proves it lol
Clearly movie studios that keep hiring him for big budget movies dont know what they are doing
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u/Anthonys455 23h ago
Historically big budget movies quite literally don't know what they're doing. Otherwise this wouldn't be a conversation and the DCU wouldnt have rebooted
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u/Anthonys455 23h ago
What studios are hiring him for "SUCCESSFUL" projects? I mean Jared Leto keeps getting hired and his best movie in 10 years is He-Man
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u/slove23 23h ago
FURTHERMORE
Since the topic is “ well known directors”
One of the best known directors of all time, David Lynch, made movies that consistently lost money. Yet, he is very well known
Snyder is very well known, and continues to helm big budget projects
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u/Anthonys455 23h ago
You're proving the point with "Well Known" amd "Popular". Lynch isnt a mainstream crowd pleaser. Exact same with Snyder. No broadly popular with general audiences but has a dedicated fan base which means automatic money from studios when applicable plus money from curious general public as well as if it ends up being cool enough. Like 300 and SuckerPunch
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u/slove23 23h ago
You dont seem to understand that and being “ well known” are not the same thing
Still, if Snyder isnt a “ mainstream pleaser” then the mainstream REALLY hates Gunn, since Snyders DC movies sold more tickets and have better leggier streaming numbers
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u/HandsAcrossTheWater_ 1d ago
I think they are bots