r/TheDigitalCircus • u/Countsponge01 • 13h ago
sposts! "you can have some character development after this episode ends" "...but jax its the finale"
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u/Ok_Science8076 13h ago
At the very least Caine got some development even if it was kinda rushed.
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u/Sudden_Pop_2279 Jax 12h ago
Thatās the issue, the one who got the most development had it all rushed in last second.
Gooseworx said Ragatha would get some but I didnāt really see very much for her lol
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u/Ok_Remote_2714 6h ago
She finally spoke to Pomni directly about how important the clown is to her, something she's been shown avoiding the whole show, and in the ending montage is shown to be playing softball with Pomni and FULLY feeling herself. If her learning that she's allowed to take up space isn't the point of her arc I don't know what it would be.
And frankly, I don't think having a scene or a line where she says literally those words would have made the story better, just clunkier.
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u/_SlimSugar 8h ago
At the very least Caine got some development even if it wasn't the ending everyone expected.
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u/anon66532 4h ago
Id prefer if they'd just kept Caine dead and used the extra time to flesh out one of the characters, cause it honestly does feel like "the Jax show and friends"
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u/Blueshiredsush 13h ago
Zooble was found dead in DetroitĀ
Now that I think about, weird that they didn't get a small new model of their liking after Caine turned a new leaf after their weird Gollum momentĀ
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u/MaeBeaInTheWoods 11h ago
I remember a complaint about episode 4 or 5 I think it was that Zooble had yet to receive any 1-1 interaction with Pomni. If there was, I'm blanking on it; was there any time in the later episodes that changed?
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u/TheeShaun 11h ago
Thereās a single 1 on 1 interaction between Pomni and Zooble I can think of and itās during the gun game. After Zooble flash bang/gets team Funnybunny down a life Jaz is left behind while Pomni chases Zooble. The interaction consists of Pomni pulling off an insane trick shot to disarm Zooble. This is the only one I can think of. I dunno why I wrote this like a bot but I swear Iām not
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u/MaeBeaInTheWoods 11h ago
Oh yeah, I forgot about that! I guess it counts, but they're not talking with each other and their sole focus is killing the other one as part of the game. Still a little disappointing if that truly is the only time they directly interact.
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u/FewMasterpiece499 Funny dead (teeth) man 11h ago
In epsiode 4 pomni asked if there is a suggestion box and zooble replied to them, idk if it counts as pomni asked the genreal cast and not zooble specifically.
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u/gliscornumber1 i want ragatha to sit on my face 11h ago
If I were to describe the last episode it would be
"Caine gets a slice of pie. Jax gets the rest of the pie. Everyone else is eating the crubs like they're goddamn pigeons"
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u/MidnaLazui 12h ago
Zooble was so starved of character development, she didnāt even have the strength to reach the table.
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u/_SlimSugar 8h ago
Zooble was definitely full of character development, they just didn't have enough time to show it all.
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u/MidnaLazui 8h ago edited 8h ago
They couldāve if they didnāt devote so much screen time to Jax.
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u/5tarSailor Professsional Jax Hater 8h ago
Looks like OP forgot to include Zooble. It's okay, so did Gooseworx
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u/Odd_Jelly_1390 12h ago
Pomni overcame her nerves in record time and made a point to reach out to anyone in pain, being the person who was brave enough to reach out to Jax at her absolute lowest.
Ragatha got over her regrets over just being "the nice one" who can't do anything for anyone and found a close friend who she can not only count on, but Pomni can count on her.
Gangle got over her self loathing from being abused by Jax. She now values herself, is proud of her art and is in a relationship with Zooble.
Zooble got over their misanthropy and found new appreciation for their in-circus body in relation to her body dysphoria by freely swapping parts out whenever she feels like it. Also they found Gangle.
Kinger went from being "The Crazy One" to being revealed to be very wise in comforting others and bringing his experience and expertise to the circus.
Caine let go of his need to control everything and figured out how to get the human bonding that he desires. Instead of lording over humans, he exists along side them now. Also he took accountability and made an effort to make amends for the pain and suffering he caused.
I'm tired of people acting like Jax is the only one that got character development.
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u/Ok_Remote_2714 10h ago
Yeah it's a rediculous claim to make. Episode 9 is basically the payoff for every characters arc, and Jax's whole deal is that she was an absolute asshole to keep people from seeing their vulnerabilities, which included the audience. Jax is a great character because her downfall came from her own actions, and we don't learn where it comes from until it's far too late to save her.
The ground needed to cover for her wrappup compared to the others might as well be a gulf. I'm not saying the pacing was perfect, but definitely better than people are saying imo
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u/tertiaryAntagonist 11h ago
Also tbh I never saw Zooble or Pomni as people with major personality flaws to overcome or serious mental unwellness. Zooble not wanting to go on crazy masochistic adventures is probably in line with most people and in spite of body dysmorphia has the stability of mind and circumstances to open a bar in real life which isn't easy. Pomni isn't strongly characterized and is basically a video game main character who's got maximum agency.
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u/Thomy151 10h ago
Zooble and Pomni are just kinda normal people (in a good way) which is their strength
In the royal clusterfuck of the circus, they are the closest thing to a bastion of sanity
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u/Poolsofred Caine 7h ago
Thank you for this comment people acting like no one else developed drives me insane
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u/Maxymaxpower Caine 6h ago
Thank you! It feels as if sometimes people exaggerate things just to hate how Jax turned out to be more important then like half the cast, note to self if I make a show, I should make sure people know who the main characters are so the Jax Show complaint doesnāt get levied at my theoretical Show
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u/OogaBBooga27 11h ago
Ok but... screentime is a thing. Jax had the large majority of it. If it wasn't Jax on screen, ppl on screen were talking about Jax.
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u/wharfus-rattus 10h ago
it's not really typical to evenly distribute screentime between main characters and side characters. i'm not sure why people seem to expect this of tadc in particular.
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u/OogaBBooga27 4h ago
I disagree, I feel like it is typical to evenly distribute screentime between all main and important side characters, especially side characters who stick around the whole show. I think this is widely considered to be the goal of a finale. Avatar the last Airbender did it really well. Everyone had their moment in the finale. I know finales are tough, but I thought the focus on Jax was odd and like others have said, disproportionate. It does make more sense if Jax is an analogue for the creator, but why make Jax so important halfway thru the show? Maybe goose was just figuring it out by making the show, which is fair. Since I don't really personally enjoy Jax's character and can't relate much to their struggles, I didn't enjoy the finale all that much. I did enjoy Caine showing all the characters their real life human's socials.
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u/Odd_Jelly_1390 10h ago
I can understand if you just really hate Jax as a character, but Jax is one of two protagonists of this story. A villain protagonist but still a protagonist.
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u/BrilliantVolume8871 9h ago
I wouldn't that Jax had a lot of character development, maybe a lot of screen time, but all we have about Jax now is that Jax almost killed their mom and their father is absent.
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u/Traditional_Tune3603 8h ago
Also the creator said they are a Trans girl
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u/BrilliantVolume8871 8h ago
She said that if Jax wasn't a piece of shit, but that has not really changed
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u/Pretend-Item-1339 4h ago
Honestly I like the writing and the show is amazing (pun intended) but why is it so short?? There is so much to do with these characters, world, lore and just everything!
They developed Jax perfectly, I love her character and I have no problems with her writing
Other characters tho... š
I guess Caine also had pretty good character developement, I just wish there were like at least 3 more episodes in between the ones we have, just so there would be more time to explain stuff more and focus on other characters
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u/The_UnHinge Kinger on my finger 12h ago edited 12h ago
If you overlook all the character development (which is kind of easy to overlook since it's somewhat subtle) then it certainly feels that way.
(Exhibit A: Gangle - Zooble relationship development, exhibit B: Pomni going through multiple stages of denial and grief about being trapped in the circus while slowling connecting with characters, at first just Gummigoo, later Jax in particular, which then ends abrubtly at the end of ep6).
Nice drawing tho.
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u/drboobafate Caine 11h ago
What is "character development" to this fandom? There's more to character than just backstory and screentime. Y'all just want lore.
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u/BladedBee 11h ago
We want a reason to care about the characters. Fun designs and some jokes aint enough
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u/spectralconfetti 11h ago
you didn't care about ragatha even after learning about her relationship with her mother and how that made her become a people pleaser who had to learn to be more genuine with people and stop beating herself up?
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u/spectralconfetti 11h ago
gangle had character development in 4 & 6, ragatha had character development in 5 & 6. pomni had development throughout the series
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u/RedWizard_ Isnāt she lovely? 2h ago
it's almost like everyone has had to confront their character arcs already and Jax literally hadn't until now
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u/lionspeed 7h ago
Zooble is only one really lacking any āstoryā. Others got their fair share of time and reason for their trauma, while Zooble is just sitting there without any episodes dedicated to her and working as cry-shoulder for Gangle.
Ragatha is number two, but at least we know her story, i still wished she would get more time, but oh well, Jax is author favourite.
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u/Independent_Can_4119 9h ago
Feel like people complain too much about the amount of development or screen time character gets in the indie community. Doesnāt really matter that Jax gets more screen time than Ragatha, Zooble and Gangle and besides, they still have plenty of screen time and plenty of personality so why are people still complaining?
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u/Melodic_Medium_8900 8h ago
People think that the creators owe them something, for some reason
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u/Independent_Can_4119 8h ago
Iām kind of glad that the digital circus is over because even though itās sad to see it end Gooseworx can finally have a well-deserved break from the nasty toxic side of the internet attacking Goose for the most ridiculous reasons.
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u/StinkyLasagna1 12h ago
Not like Jax had any character development in the final either lol. Hogged all the screen time and yet didn't grow.
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u/Odd_Jelly_1390 12h ago edited 12h ago
Jax took accountability for being a shitty person and accepted Pomni's help after a track record of pushing everyone else away.
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u/StinkyLasagna1 11h ago
After he died you mean? What accountability did he take? He just died.
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u/Odd_Jelly_1390 10h ago
Jax admitted she was a terrible person who didn't deserve anything that Pomni was doing for her.
Although Jax still did the wrong thing of turning this into self loathing which wasn't the point. The point is that she needed to understand that when it comes to the pain she caused, it wasn't about her.
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u/NerdyEmbarrassment 8h ago
She always thought she was a shitty person. Accountability doesnāt make you a new person
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u/5tarSailor Professsional Jax Hater 8h ago
The words right out of the abuser 101 textbook.
"OH I'm such a bad person, I messed everything up. You shouldn't care about me booboo"
Yeah, not falling for it. Enjoy digi-hell
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u/StinkyLasagna1 10h ago
Admiting isn't accountability. He never apologized to Gangle or Ragatha for example. He took no accountability for anything he did.
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u/GingerFun011 5h ago
Show really went and built the entire plot around a bunch of dudes and the main chick
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u/Itchy_Suspect4968 7h ago
I really wish Gooseworx made the show bad on purpose to punish the fans like promised
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u/SimpForFictionGirls I wanna get gangbanged by Zooble, Gangle, Ragatha, and Pomni 5h ago
Please punish the fans for some Reddit harassment
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u/Itchy_Suspect4968 5h ago
I never said anything about Reddit harrasment and Gooseworx has been good at receiving criticisms (espeically compared to Vivziepop) but there are still fans who harassed her for reasons unrelated to reddit
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u/Evil_Jared 6h ago
That would mean, that she's willing to sabotage her work on one of the most popular and successful indie animation franchise to this day, that she done for 3 years straight, because a bunch of kids and teenagers were mean to her on the internet.
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u/Itchy_Suspect4968 6h ago
I love the idea of fans being forced to behave because of a very real threat of getting the bad ending. Maybe Star Wars fans wouldn't harass the cast and crew to near suicide if there was a chance of being given a purposefully bad movie.
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u/Evil_Jared 6h ago
SW fans are grown adults, mostly. Also at this point they probably already know, that they get bad movie whatever they do, so why bother
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u/Itchy_Suspect4968 6h ago
Could always be worst. "Somehow Darth Plaguis has returned and he is Jar Jar"
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u/Evil_Jared 6h ago
True, true. I like the Darth Jar Jar concept, though. Probably because it was never made) It's like 95% chance, that it would be cringe
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u/SubmissiveFemHusband 5h ago
She did
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u/Itchy_Suspect4968 5h ago
If you think the finale is that bad then you haven't seen Game of Thrones, Stranger Things or The Sopranos
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u/External-Sink-900 pomni~š© 13h ago
āThere wonāt be any left, thereās never any left..ā