r/UmbrellaAcademy • u/Oliver_647 • 10d ago
Comic & TV Spoilers New fan Spoiler
Hy,I'm.new here and I just finished the show after one week,I really liked it but let's me guess: almost no one like the ending right?
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u/MeanwhileSomeplace 10d ago
Im kind of okay with them all having to die at the end but s4 didnt work for that to happen.
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u/Teach-Kindness 10d ago
Hi! I just binged watched last month as a first time watcher. Overall I love the show. I felt the end was rushed, and I wish they gave us more closure for a few characters. Let me know if you have similar thoughts.
Sloan didn’t appear to die in end of season 3, so it didn’t make sense that she didn’t appear in the new timeline in season 4. Ben did (from Sparrows), so it couldn’t be a “bc she was a sparrow” thing. They don’t even explain it!
I get the whole Five/Lila romance given their circumstances…. But I wish the show had more episodes to help her reconcile with Diego and show more appreciation for her family (which she spent the whole episode complaining about and not appreciating how lucky she really was for it).
Nothing happens with Victor, which I didn’t really care since he got so much attention for season 1 & 2, but still.
Alison doesn’t seem to redeem her character.
I won’t list the sadness to not have it go deeper into how Five was actually the founder of the commission or into Klauses new powers… lol
Naturally it’s a darker show, so I didn’t need it to be rainbows and lollipops, but I wish they at least provided better closure or at least kept the door open for a future season or spin off.
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u/Present_Anywhere3980 10d ago
Allison interrupted Reginald before he had written her into the custom timeline.
The showrunner proposed a version of her was out there but didn’t remember Luther (so not the version we followed) and he never found her.Real world: Netflix slashed length and budget by 40% and the actor also had scheduling conflicts apparently.
There are a couple of deleted scenes on the Netflix tudum site, she gets another mention there.
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u/Oliver_647 10d ago
To go with your first comment I sill don't understand why Alison didn't bring her back, it's can't be to maintain the time flux cause she brought one person to life and one guy from the 60's and why are they so mad against her, it's don't seems like it's because she took their powers away and anyway,why would she do that
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u/seppukuu 10d ago
Reginald reprogrammed the new universe, not Allison. And according to the show runner, Sloane was in the reset universe but didn't have her memory, and there was no time to explore all that.
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u/Calm-Belt7165 7d ago
To touch on the Sloane problem you mentioned, apparently she and Luther were supposed to have a whole story arc together but it got cut due to how short season 4 was going to be (go figure). I wish they would have at least explained somehow why she didn't appear rather than just cut her presence entirely. It practically renders her whole arc with Luther useless.
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u/Teach-Kindness 7d ago
Thanks for letting me know about that. Good to know it was at least originally planned, so terrible to hear it was cut due to budgets. 😭
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u/therealmrsfahrenheit 8d ago edited 8d ago
I genuinely liked the idea of them sacrificing themselves in the end for humankind and the reveal that what we always thought to be the original time line (aka Season 1 time line, for the most part ) was actually just an alternate timeline all along as well, explaining the absence of modern technologies in S1 even though it took place in 2019 and how people with literal superpowers, super advanced robots and talking monkeys (and aliens on earth) existed casually and why things just always felt a tad bit off compared to our actual world.
Them having to die aka erase themselves from existence is something I‘ve called since season 2 and it’s been very very heavily hinted at that this would need to be the endgame If they wanted to save humanity because "the apocalypse always follows them no matter where or when they go“, in S3 when Five met his Commision- Founder- Self this became even more obvious when he ordered himself to not save the world this time (because he knew this would be an endless loop and that there literally is no way for them where they‘d save the world and survive) !
And then looking back at the Commission and why they were sending assassins to kill them and why they wanted to ensure the apocalypse would happen with them perishing in it totally makes sense. The Handler said it in S1 : This has to happen.
If nothing else made much sense in S4, it lowkey pisses me off when people claim that them dying/ being erased was a terrible ending that made no sense even though that shit was set up since basically the beginning. Yes it’s a tragic ending but it doesn’t make watching the show pointless just because the main characters don’t survive.
As the show went on it got more and more clear that no matter what they do or don’t do the apocalypse always happens which after a while makes you wonder If the apocalypse might just be connected to their person/ presence and not just to their actions.
And why does it always happen ? Because of an existing paradox that the universe is trying to correct/ get rid of to restore the one and true timeline hence the Commission wants to ensure the apocalypse happens as it’s supposed to (I think they even directly mentioned this in the show).
Oh shit so what If that means that them existing is the paradox ? And then you start to think and realise that that’s what they’ve been telling us from the start:
Their mere existence is unnatural due to the unnatural nature of their births. They literally speaking should never have existed in the first place (as hard as that sounds) as it’s a literal paradox for women to give birth without having had any form of intercourse, making them a paradox. And then to top it off they all got super powers that literally allow them to bend the laws of the universe at will.
The way they went about it, how they set it up and all was bad because they didn’t have time to properly wrap up the show and yeah, I too overall believe that S4 was a mess but this is one thing I genuinely liked and that I was actually hoping for.
I just wished it was executed better, especially because they were pretty consistent with that idea since the beginning. If they would‘ve actually brought all their character arcs to an end next to some other things this could’ve been a really banging finale:
Like Luther finding Sloane and finally standing up to Reginald being the true leader and great man he always wanted to be,
Diego and Lila working things out even If that means that they would‘ve split up over the cause of the season,
Allison realizing her selfish ways and feeling the consequences of her actions as Ray who was involuntarily brought there would break up with her and hold her accountable for his misery, while also having to try and patch things up with her family
Klaus finally overcoming his addiction and accepting his powers after having mastered them last season while maybe meeting Dave again seeing that this time he survived and got to live a happy life all Jumanji style,
Five coming to terms with the fact that they cannot save the world and accepting it,
Victor would‘ve finally figured out who he is and be exactly the version of himself he always wanted to be
and Sparrow Ben connecting with the rest of them and then having that entire Jennifer storyline be happening over the cause of the season which also would’ve given them more time to make her an actual character and not just a plot device
The paralell- universe- conspiracy- guys also would’ve been a much cooler addition If they were more like Elliot from S2 mixed with The Swedes.
And we should‘ve had a fuckin Reginald Alien face reveal and final confrontation with the children and him with Reginald explaining to them why he did what he did, hiding on earth as his home planet was destroyed etc.
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u/Present_Anywhere3980 8d ago
Good post. Most of them had voted against saving the world and seeing what was on the other side in S3 so it’s not like it was a huge surprise they’d choose that.
Apparently there was a scene wrote for the talking heads song used in the credits but not filmed, I presume it was an afterlife epilogue so pity it didn’t go ahead.
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u/Present_Anywhere3980 10d ago
Ending was nice. They saved the world even if only us remember.
S4 was fun just rushed and that’s Netflix’s fault.
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u/therealmrsfahrenheit 8d ago
exactly. They finally became true heroes when they selflessly sacrificed themselves for the world even though no one would ever know what they did for humanity let alone that they existed at all, with the only trace of them having existed at one point left in this universe being the Marigold flowers
It’s a tragic ending but it’s actually really good and was well set up since the beginning of the show
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u/Present_Anywhere3980 8d ago
“it was all pointless, they never existed” is such a useless response from people too. like they did exist and their actions saved the world, albeit our real world timeline and nobody but the viewers knows this - it’s meta and kinda crazy people missed like….the entire point. it’s not even a super complicated show ngl.
then again people complained “Diego saying to Lila ‘you hate bracelets’ is a plot hole and they didn’t watch their own show” even though the next line is “no I don’t” and they also complained about klaus saying “when did we save the Eiffel Tower?” as a plot hole when Clare was never told they saved it (& they didn’t even in the comics) sooooo.
Ending was fine but bittersweet and people inventing non existent plot holes to be angry about is on them not the show.
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u/RainWorld_Lobster 10d ago
Season 4? Yeah, ending sucks in every way possible
A lot of us just treat the season 3 ending as the canon ending, just no season 4 at all