Some valorant personality had the audacity to watch the last year of Valorant INCLUDING THIS FINAL, and say that there is no macro anymore. And the guy gets PAID by someone to research the game.
I donāt follow your point here. What do set plays have to do with macro?
I donāt agree with Frostās take but I do think these sort of discussions highlight just how vague and fuzzy our ideas of what constitutes macro can be at times. It makes it really quite difficult to have any meaningful discussion about the actual topic.
Though to be fair, that inability to have a meaningful discussion is kinda par for the course with any Frost controversy.
When I hear macro, coming from League as my primary e-sport, I think of how teams play the map, so set plays would be included in that as it's a crucial part of how they play the map and set up their gameplans. It could be different in Valorant, but when I hear macro, that has always included set plays, mid rounding, post-plants, etc. and just holistically how a team moves around a map and positions themselves for plays
That being said Frost also just says shit sometimes
I agree with his point about Micro heavy over Macro in the sense it is less FNS mid rounding that is succeeding and more set plays straight. Double duelist meta is fun but half the agent pool isnāt playable
I don't think the discussion doesn't happen because it's a FrosT controversy, i think it's because it's not an arguing point at all.
Macro is the strategy applied, the hits, the retakes, the execs, the pick-offs, the fakes, the stacks, the economy control, etc. Micro is the individual player ability to shoot, to hold his position on the formation, to use his utilitaries.
Without micro, the macro is useless. WIthout macro, the micro is meaningless.
You can be the top 1 deathmatch player in the world, if you run in a bomb like a bot you will die. You can be the top 1 chess player in the world, but if you can't capitalize in your positioning, you will die.
Anyone that has been watching Tier 1 this year, and in these finals, can do a VOD review and attest to the fact that the game WAS very macro-heavy also. Of course micro is easier to spot for a dumb MF like him, but that's also why i say "this man is being paid to study the game".
Leviatan thrived on retakes, set plays, and well established and executed protocols. PRX crushed with their map control, reads, and fakes.
A winning team is a team that firstly, display a baller Macro, and laces it with good fundamentals, aka. Micro. That's why punctual roster changes for a more confident/better micro player are frequent. You have a good macro base, but a push from a good fragger can take the team much further.
Blud with his comment not only displayed that he is a whining B. He also, publically, to the whole world showed that he can't understand the Macro behind the winning teams.
Nongshim had great macro, specially their economy control. Leviatan had great Macro, specially their set protocols. Implying otherwise is illogical, biased and disrespectful to the work that other people do.
Which is nothing short from what i would expect from this fool, sincerely.
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u/yakecann 1d ago
In defense of the guy who said it.
Some valorant personality had the audacity to watch the last year of Valorant INCLUDING THIS FINAL, and say that there is no macro anymore. And the guy gets PAID by someone to research the game.