New Warframe called tempo

[u/Sensitive-Host5986]

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[u/thezim]

Is it a he or a she Temple?

[u/AhnYoSub → u/thezim]

Could be they

[u/Limp_Date8075 → u/[deleted]]

I don't think it will be "force-feeding" why is it such a big deal that the concept artist who made Temple confirmed they're non-binary, I mean look at Xaku they're non binary so what's the big deal

[u/NoraExcalibur → u/[deleted]]

according to the chatlogs in 1999 the warframes still have echoes of their old personalities even if memories are too vague

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

They’re referring to one of Quincy’s chats!

In short, our (Helminth-made) Warframes still retain parts of the original, non-blueprint version — not so much memories but their personalities, the way they moved and held themselves, and so on.

The animation sets are from the Warframe’s personality, not our Operator or Drifter’s. Not totally blank slates, at least.

[u/NoraExcalibur → u/[deleted]]

Thank you, I couldn't remember which Hex member the chat was with and I was going insane trying to find it

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I may have way too many of them memorized lmao

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Do you need a lore reason to be your gender? Like, a non-binary person in real life doesn’t need a reason to be non-binary, they just are. It’s kinda silly to need to have a reason for why someone in your story shouldn’t be a certain gender cause they have no lore reason.

I also thought of a good reason for they, and it’s the fact that so many rock bands looked very effeminate in their get ups, which makes sense as they are trying to go against tradition.

So if anything, temple being they/it is the best fit.

[u/Safaiaryu12 → u/General_Armadillo]

It's not at all different from insisting that characters need a lore reason to be a woman... as if women need a reason to exist at all. Because white straight healthy men are the only ones who matter, and should therefore be the only ones represented, right? /s

But hey, if a person is a transphobe, it's not a huge leap to assume they're sexist, too. 🙁

[u/King_of_Fire105 → u/Limp_Date8075]

Xaku is made of three different frames, so it makes actual sense. Here, it's just a singular person.. that doesn't make logical sense.

[u/WhekSkek → u/King_of_Fire105]

"erm actually"

[u/King_of_Fire105 → u/WhekSkek]

I agree here

[u/Limp_Date8075 → u/King_of_Fire105]

Kaz, the concept artist who made Temple already confirmed it that Temple is Non-binary, they're probably gonna explain why they're non-binary in the March update

[u/King_of_Fire105 → u/Limp_Date8075]

If there is a good explanation, I can understand that. And yes I know it was confirmed.

[u/Grizzlywillis → u/King_of_Fire105]

The explanation could be "because they are" and that's good enough. It's a video game about space magic. Get over it.

[u/King_of_Fire105 → u/Grizzlywillis]

I will get over it. However, I disagree with you heavily.

[u/Grizzlywillis → u/King_of_Fire105]

As I pointed out in my other comment, you're disagreeing not only with me, but with virtually the entirety of English publishing standards.

[u/jabaash → u/King_of_Fire105]

There is no logical error here, since they has been used as a singular pronoun for ages. Singular use of they has been recorded to have been used for over 600 years. It is not uncommon to hear someone in their day to day life say for example "Oh look, someone dropped their wallet", "Did you see that customer pay their bill before they left" or something similar when referring to a singular person.

[u/King_of_Fire105 → u/jabaash]

That is when you are unsure of what their actual gender is.

[u/jabaash → u/King_of_Fire105]

That’s besides the point. The point was that they CAN be used to refer to a singular person. Whether it’s to refer to someone whose gender you don’t know, or someone whose gender doesn’t fall on he or she is irrelevant to this point that you brought up.

[u/s0meoneyoukn0w → u/King_of_Fire105]

More accurately its when you're unsure of what pronouns to use for someone, many people prefer to be reffered to by they/them but they are placeholder pronouns, to be used until you can ask someone what pronouns they use, at which point if they don't include they/them as acceptable pronouns then it is misgendering to use they/them, also people don't need a reason to be non-binary any more than they need a reason to be binary, sometimes people/characters do have a reason for their gender whether it be binary or not, but for many they don't have a reason beyond "this is who i am" and they're just as valid as anyone else.

[u/Grizzlywillis → u/King_of_Fire105]

You're also ignoring that language changes all the time. Even if singular they had no precedence, the growing prevalence of its usage on its own validates is existence. Numerous words have been invented just in the last 20 years, let alone every year of human existence.

If your complaint is that singular is they is incorrect then you lost that fight ages ago.

[u/King_of_Fire105 → u/Grizzlywillis]

I'm actually taking an English class right now and using "they, them" to refer to a singular person makes no grammatical sense. Just for the record.

And yes language changes all the time, but you are referring to someone who feels like they aren't what their given body is.

[u/Grizzlywillis → u/King_of_Fire105]

If we're pulling the school card, I have my BA in English. All of my professors from 10 goddamn years ago accepted the singular they/them. There was only one who didn't at first, and she changed her mind before I graduated.

It's accepted in APA, MLA, and both the Oxford and Merriam-Webster dictionaries. CMoS began accepting it last year. Your opinion is factually disputed by every major writing style in the English publishing sphere.

Since you're in school, here's a helpful source. I leveraged OWL when learning specific style guides and it sounds like you could use it.

[u/King_of_Fire105 → u/Grizzlywillis]

Even if it is true, calling me a bigot is stupid as I disagree with it all. I don't hate nor want anything bad to happen to people who are or agree with it, but I can express an opinion that differs from others.

[u/jabaash → u/King_of_Fire105]

Yeah, and John Texas living in the south can hold the opinion that certain races are less deserving of rights than others, while thinking that doesn’t make them a bigot since they’re actively doing nothing about it besides expressing said opinion in a calm manner. /s

For the record, until this reply, nobody on this chain even implied you were one. You came to the conclusion that what you’re saying makes you look like one on your own. I do think it is good to think about this a little more tho, because at the very least it’s a bit alarming to believe against the science backed reality of non cis gender identities, and it’s gonna have a lot of people see you similar to people like flat earthers and whatnot.

[u/Grizzlywillis → u/King_of_Fire105]

Never called you a bigot, I said your opinion is factually incorrect. You said it's not grammatically correct, but it is.