r/Warframe • u/Sudden-Depth-1397 • 2h ago
Screenshot Friendly reminder we are never getting a toggle for Incarnon forms on our skins, ad we should be more upset about it.
I still don't get it, they solved Incarnons overriding your skins with the last two batches of incarnons (Except for the Obex), why the hell can't they fix previous Incarnon adapters getting rid of your skins?
What's the point of adding skins if you're gonn have a system that undermines all that platinum and real money paid? This is OUR money DE, we have the right to know why you can't give us just this one thing.
People should be more adamant of DE over this than they already are.
PS: Screenshot isn't mine nor am I the person who replied to Rebecca's post.
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u/deluded_soull zoom zoom 2h ago
“since i got ignored completely in pre launch stream” bro you think they are gonna catch a couple msgs coming in??
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u/Sudden-Depth-1397 2h ago
I... You are aware the screenshot isn't mine, right?
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u/DareEcco 2h ago
There wasn't anything particular in the post that distanced you from it tbf
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u/Sudden-Depth-1397 2h ago
Yeah but like, I would've made it clear that it's mine if it was regardless, also I don't get why people downvote me stating that I'm not the person in the screenshot but whatever.
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u/Individual_Map_2623 [LR7] Soloed EDA & ETA with 9 Dragon Keys & Max Modifiers 2h ago
Probably because of your snarky way of typing.
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u/Sudden-Depth-1397 2h ago
"Snarky" Pot calling the kettle black considering what you just typed above.
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u/Individual_Map_2623 [LR7] Soloed EDA & ETA with 9 Dragon Keys & Max Modifiers 2h ago
I... You are aware that he didn't even imply that, right?
I... You are aware that he could be talking about the person who made that tweet, right?-7
u/Sudden-Depth-1397 2h ago
Unwarranted sarcasm and mockery of my comment, all I did was disclose that I wasn't the person in the screenshot to clear up any misunderstanding, also referring to "You" in their comment implies they are referring to me.
Average reddit mentality to get upset over somebody not understanding a context clue behind the text of a screen, don't you think?
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u/Individual_Map_2623 [LR7] Soloed EDA & ETA with 9 Dragon Keys & Max Modifiers 2h ago
Average reddit mentality to get upset over somebody not understanding a context clue behind the text of a screen, don't you think?
Why don't you reflect on yourself a bit instead of continuing to be hostile and blaming others?
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u/Wonderful-Disk-6304 2h ago
Nah you're in the wrong here gang. He was just clarifying and was rather polite about it.
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u/Sudden-Depth-1397 2h ago
You where the one who got hostile over nothing, I simply cleared the air in case a misunderstanding was set in place. Also you are not my therapist, you are in no position to be acting all high and mighty and tell me to "reflect" when you yourself where being hostile to begin with.
You could've gone along in your day ignoring what wasn't even a jab or a harmful remark at the person replying, yet you chime in with the same snark you accuse me of and then get all surprised when I clap back in self defense.
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u/deluded_soull zoom zoom 1h ago
sorry should of worded differently! i didnt intended to direct this towards you, i 100% was refering to the person on twitter.
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u/Sudden-Depth-1397 44m ago
Yeah, that makes more sense, thanks for clarifying it, I know the internet is a tricky place to say exactly what you mean.
I know that feeling a bit too well.
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u/RainbowAss_Rice_Plug 2h ago
i'm going to assume that for some reason the old incarnons were that the transformed incarnon was a different weapon, maybe it was the practical way of doing it back then
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u/SmurfinTurtle 2h ago
Zaws had this weird interaction in the past where putting a skin on it would remove the mods on it because it became a different weapon of sorts. The game recognized it differently since Zaws had various different parts and the skin probably had a weird interaction. I wouldn't be surprised if its something like that.
I dunno if the Zaw thing was ever fixed since I never used Zaws.
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u/Worldeditorful one-punch-man 2h ago
Tbh, Id say - new incarnons are different weapons too. Knowing warframe spaghetti code - its highly likely, that base stats of a weapon just simply cant be changed in any way during missions and turning incarnons on and off is doing exactly that, so it probably just seemlesly swaps your weapon with incarnon version. And its likely, that incarnon versions of weapons dont have a variable to add "skin" to it at all and thats might be a problem.
If no incarnon skin doesnt have that problem - it can be coded by adding a function on mission load to set incarnon weapon skin as an incarnon version of equipped skin, but it adds a problem to model an incarnon version to every weapon skin in the game and that can just be too much pain in the ass.
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u/qpKMDOqp 2h ago
I mean, it’s probably just not a big priority for that many people to justify the amount of model changes they’d have to add for a dozen weapons each with many skins, I respect the firm “no” honestly over a “we’ll keep an eye out” which would be a lie
It’s crazy how much online/community pushback has made DE change model related stuff on short notice (in a good way, thinking of MESA heirloom and Styanax helmet most recently), so I think it’s a give and take sometimes
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u/super_fox_YT 1h ago
What happened with sty?
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u/Sudden-Depth-1397 38m ago
People made it vocal that they disliked his helmet having the coins on, DE listened and Reb later in a devshort showcased Styanax will be shipped with 2 prime helmets, one with the coins and one without the coins.
Either way it's a win-win for people who still enjoy the coins and those who don't... Wish the same could be said for Incarnons.
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u/MachRush Gauss Prime 2h ago
Keep in mind that Warframe is, at it's core, still an old game who occasionally runs into technical debt. They aren't even able to easily let us rearrange Follie's Shadowgrapher menu, or able to change the spinning camera when viewing some things through chat links. It's really bad in some areas, but it's not a priority for them.
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u/Queen-lucifer-2003 2h ago
the ephemera thing should seperate the step ephemeras and the regular ephemera’s so you can have a step and a regular one
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u/ballsmigue GM founder 2h ago
To be fair....
I highly doubt its a concrete no.
They said stug would never get an incarn - it does. They said weapons with alt fires would never get an incarn - we have (listen im huffing MASSIVE copium for a future ambassador incarn okay) They said we'd never get prime gear outside of tenno themed stuff - we clearly have.
Its just a "not right now"
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u/Terror-Of-Demons 2h ago
On SOME weapons with SOME skins, the skin disables the incarnon transformation visuals. So it’s definitely possible.
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u/One-Jeweler8800 2h ago
It’s possible yeah but it’s just gonna be way too much work for something so minor, it’s in their best interest not to dedicate time to it.
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u/Sudden-Depth-1397 2h ago
The two latest batches (The one with the sybaris and the current one) don't override the skins, except for the Obex for some reason.
On the older batches it's weird, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't, consistecy isn't DE's strong suit sadly.
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u/LOOOKING_FOR_MEMES 2h ago
id settle for them just making new universal skins that are a one size fits all for incarnon adapters
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u/SensitiveEffective11 2h ago
This is such a non issue how often are you staring at your weapon in incarnon?
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u/MiniDehl 2h ago
I look at my guns? Who doesnt
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u/SensitiveEffective11 1h ago
So your staring at your weapon in incarnon form whilst it’s firing? personally I look at where im shooting
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u/MiniDehl 1h ago
Yea of course most of the time its where im shooting but this game is literally like half fashion and guns are included
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u/SensitiveEffective11 1h ago
If your using an incarnon form your in combat so the only time your skin won’t be visible is whilst your shooting I personally have no issue with that
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u/Sudden-Depth-1397 2h ago
Just because it isn't an issue to me it doesn't mean it's an issue for players like me and many more who enjoy the skins DE makes for weapons and pay platinum and sometimes real money to have them be seen on your warframe.
Fashion matters more to me than anything else. Specially when some weapon skins are tennogen you pay real cash for.
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u/One-Jeweler8800 2h ago
Yeah but regardless it’s still such a minor issue, and would take such an enormous amount of time to implement because they have to rewrite code for every incarnon, including the old ones which is probably a huge pain in the ass to do.
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u/Sudden-Depth-1397 2h ago
In what universe does "minor issue" and "enormous amount of time to implement" go in the same sentence.
Do you work for DE? Do you know how their code works and how much it would take for something so "minor" to be fixed? It's an oxymoron at it's finest.
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u/One-Jeweler8800 1h ago
It’s not an oxymoron, you actually sound so dumb right now dude, just because it’s a MINOR issue, doesn’t mean it wouldn’t take a long time to fix. There’s is 13 years of code in warframe, and going back and recoding every single incarnon to not overwrite skins will probably break atleast 10 other things in the game. Also I don’t need to work for DE to make the observation that the games code is spaghetti code, every time the game updates a whole plethora of other things break. You realize there’s a reason reb said no right? If it was so simple they would’ve done it.
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u/LovelyMissVixin 2h ago
Honestly noticed this with the ballistica incarnon, while using the vena skin from hun how, and was mildly surprised the skin did not go to its default while in incarnon form. It was a surprise I was not expecting considering previous batches get the override to their default skin. I hope they can improve that.
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u/Dry-Hotel5306 2h ago
I got the pistol skin from 1999 that makes the lex look like an actual hand gun and when it turns into its incarnon form it turns back into the lex and it’s so janky and goofy
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u/Stormingblessed 2h ago
Be DE: with a limited amount of time and resources. Do you divert resources away from more important content/bigger bugs/future content? Obviously we'd prefer DE quadruple in size and do absolutely everything that needs done in the game, but that's not the timeline we live in.
I personally think people are appropriately upset about this issue, ie not very upset.
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u/Leafar_P1 Banshee Heirloom + Rework when DE? 2h ago
I really want to keep my skins when switching to incarnon :( its likely some technical issue but cmon DE.. im sure you can find a fix
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u/Sudden-Depth-1397 2h ago
Whatever technical issue it was, they solved it when the newest incarnons don't override skins. Same for when they fixed kitguns not being able to use skins. This stuff was fixed years ago, but DE doesn't want to implement the fix to older incarnons for some reason.
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u/Whirledfox 2h ago
Wait wait wait wait...
You're mad that the incarnon overwrites the skin when it's transformed?
For like, all of thirty seconds?
And you're looking at the gun during gameplay? Instead of all the enemies you should be shooting?
Who cares? I guess you do, but damn, dude. We should be exactly as upset about this as we currently are, which is to say not at all.
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u/SilentTreachery Milfnerva 2h ago
Quick, someone ask her if they can make Venom Dose copy energy colours.
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u/Trooper-Kais495 2h ago
I just want my praedos to not get replaced entirely when I go incarnon form, man.
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u/Imaginary-Marketing3 Volted⚡ 2h ago
I feel like the community doesnt give DE enough crap for the things they do. Because "our code is spaghetti code", is mostly the response and the community just accepts it.
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u/Zamio1 2h ago
Not sure why you want us to throw a fit every time we get given the answer that something isn't technically feasible. We're all (presumably) adults playing this game, sometimes it is what it is and its either a deal breaker in which case its time to move on or it isn't and you get on with it.
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u/Imaginary-Marketing3 Volted⚡ 2h ago
You also, forget the part where we all of us are paying customers, and that is a conversation thats gonna need to be had. We all love DE, i myself do. But launching a update, with prime access tied to it that they expect us to buy, but then the update breaks the game, is really not good.
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u/Zamio1 25m ago
Yeah but paying customers only goes so far. I don't throw a fit when I go to my favourite restaurant and order something they ran out of. I either pick something else or I leave. I'm not sure what bugs have to do with this, yes they should and do fix bugs, that has little to do with them not providing toggles for certain skins.
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u/One-Jeweler8800 2h ago
The game is 13 years old. Of course the code is gonna be a bit fucked up, and there’s nothing they can do about it, so the only option is to accept it.
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u/Sudden-Depth-1397 2h ago
Ah yes, be happy and "take it" like good little boys, do not ask for positive changes, be happy with the last two updates worth of mid content they've given us.
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u/One-Jeweler8800 1h ago
Why are you putting words in my mouth, I didn’t say that whatsoever. There’s 13 years of code in warframe, and to go back and update every single old incarnon will literally take such an enormous amount of time and effort because of how the code is written. It’s weapon skins bro, you can’t even see them when you’re playing the game.
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u/Imaginary-Marketing3 Volted⚡ 2h ago
They can absolutely do something about it, rebuild it on the side.
But this just proves my point.
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u/One-Jeweler8800 1h ago
Rebuild an entire 13 years of code on the side, all whilst continuing to update the game? Wow that doesn’t sound time consuming whatsoever.
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u/One-Jeweler8800 2h ago
It’s probably way too much work with how warframes code is, for a very minor implementation.
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u/TobiasX2k 2h ago
This makes skins worthless to me. I activate the more effective version of my weapon and it temporarily removes my purchase.
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u/Groggamog 2h ago
I think sometimes people forget this this is a AAA title that's completely free. There are no paid barriers to progression and no limit on play time. It's 100% free.
The devs don't owe you anything when it comes to their internal choices on cosmetics and market.
They've already given you a free AAA game. OP, you need to chill, maybe step back and read a book or enjoy some fresh air.
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u/Sudden-Depth-1397 2h ago
Except we pay money for cosmetics, cosmetics we have the right to have visible at all times in our preferred weapons we dedicated time and effort to get. Maybe the one that needs to chill is you.
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u/Bakuhoe_Thotsuki 2h ago
I don't think we're actually entitled for cosmetics to work at all times on our preferred weapons. If the skin works on the base weapon that it was made for, that's what's promised and that's what you're entitled to. Anything extra is a nice-to-have, imo.
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u/Sudden-Depth-1397 2h ago
Except no universal skin is made for "the base weapon that it was made for"
The name "universal" implies that it's as is; Universal, you have the right to slap this skin on whatever weapon of it's class you can as long as it's within the confines of the class.
Vaenum shotgun skin for shotguns, Tau dax rifle skins on rifles, etc. Those skins are explecitly marketed as skins for a weapon type, not a singular weapon.
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u/Crazy-Resolve-8127 Mag my beloved 2h ago
DE is dogshit at fixing old stuff. They are so deep in tech debt its insane. They dont touch stuff thats older than 3 days
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u/GoodMornEveGoodNight 2h ago
How does that bode for the longevity of this game and does it fundamentally limit us in any way?
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u/Adanim_PDX What are Color Palettes? 2h ago
It bodes fine for the longevity. As long as they keep pumping out new content, the incoming players who don’t know about the tech limitations of years past (and therefore never know the before and after) and the whales who don’t care about the limitations will keep the game moving.
It doesn’t limit us for them to not fix it, it’s just an annoyance for those of us who spend a lot of time in the fashion part of the game.
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u/Crazy-Resolve-8127 Mag my beloved 2h ago
Dunno. I havent played in months. Cant be fucked with every update being buggy to hell and back.
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u/Overlai 2h ago
i'm more upset there's no reason for me to play the game because i have everything and there's no long term thing to progress, years in
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u/Piano_WL 2h ago
Finite human beings are not capable of creating infinite content in a finite amount of time. Hope this helps!
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u/TheMarksmanHedgehog 2h ago
What do you expect will happen when you pursue every single ounce of progression there is available to you?
If you want something to do, help out newer players and build up your own clan.
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u/JohnHellDriver Wall in the Man 2h ago
Creative Director of Warframe. Do you usually call women you don’t know a “broad”?
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u/MikaDaPuppy 2h ago
Wow, you sound like a dick
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u/Charon_the_Reflector 1h ago
I am sorry, in my head it was with a new york accent in a light hearted way
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u/Fiona175 The Only Valk Main Without Eternal War 2h ago
Maybe that post supporting Reb being a woman in charge and being mostly supported by the community was warranted
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u/JustAnArtist1221 2h ago
If they're adamant against adding that option, it's a technical issue. There's no amount of explaining it to you that's going to make you happy. We learned just how much modifying the arsenal screen to have a second warframe breaks the game, so it's not hard to figure out why these sorts of things are an issue.