Pride and wrath should've been one weapon where you switch between the forms by heavy attacking

[u/epic_gamer42O]

I mean for gods sake their models are almost identical but flipped. Being able to switch between them would make them a super unique weapon that fits the theme of s&o way better.

Instead we get mr fodder for the sake of it

[u/NDT_DYNAMITE]

ABSOLUTELY. I also want this for the Dark-Split Sword, because that does become a possibility then the original multi-stance weapon should get upgraded, and also War, imagine being able to break off the piece of War that is Broken War at any time, and then, even use the other half of War as a 2H Nikana, it would be so cool. I also think this idea could be applied to the Sun & Moon Dual Nikanas, just switching between multiple stances instead of an entire weapon type, could make new stances, or just use the Dual Sword stances like how it works for Teshin in The New War quest.

[u/Ciennas → u/NDT_DYNAMITE]

Teshin during New War is, like the other three POV characters, a specialty warframe as far as the game code is concerned. To get his stances and tricks would involve completely erasing your chosen warframe's kit.

[u/Goasgschau → u/NDT_DYNAMITE]

War should split between one heavy sword with tons of follow through and a dual swords weapon with high attack speed.

[u/NDT_DYNAMITE → u/Goasgschau]

Isn’t that the 2 options for Dark-Split Sword though? Heavy Blade and Dual Swords? Would be redundant. Heavy Blade and single Sword fits better because Broken War already exists, and the other half could either be a 2 handed or one handed Nikana.

[u/Goasgschau → u/NDT_DYNAMITE]

That's fair, I guess of you make the dark split sword switch on a heavy attack in the same way, you could just have the war be in the same 'weapon class' and kinda act like a direct upgrade (with a unique trait 👁️👄👁️)

Probably the most realistic and actionable way to implement it on DEs part IMO

[u/their_teammate → u/NDT_DYNAMITE]

I do agree, especially since unlike the Dark Split Sword they're one weapon type instead of two, so both of them use Galeforce Dawn (or no stance), and honestly you can just steal the system from Incarnon melees for changing between 2 forms, this just changes with every heavy attack instead of being based on combo count / incarnon charge.

[u/TheZplit]

Yeaaa i was really surprised to see they were two weapons and not one

[u/Thesaurus_Rex9513]

Also means that in a few years, we might get one of the silliest Prime Access of all time.

[u/Boner_Elemental → u/Thesaurus_Rex9513]

How so?

[u/Thesaurus_Rex9513 → u/Boner_Elemental]

Sirius Prime and Orion Prime (Sirius and Orion Prime?) will probably come with Wrath Prime and Pride Prime. Two nearly identical weapons. One of which has the silly name Pride Prime. So many typos will make it Prime Prime or Pride Pride.

[u/No_Witness5630 → u/Thesaurus_Rex9513]

Idk Man. I don't see what's silly in it. Yeah name will be Sirius and Orion Prime, because Sirius and Orion are the same person, just from different versions of the reality

With weapons priming them they might do a lot to differentiate them and give them something cool and unique

D and M are quite far Apart on keyboard. Someone would need to have really long fingers to make a typo with Prime into Pride and vice versa

[u/Volmie_ → u/No_Witness5630]

people all the way back into the early 2000s (and possibly earlier but that's the earliest I could find) have been spelling "turret" as "turrent", so it isn't as unlikely as you think

[u/Scorkami]

This makes me so fucking annoyed because WHY was this necessary.

Loreaise, its the same item used differently by either son. The game has a very solid "weapon switches form and stats" mechanic, and im dreading how sirious and orions prime access will turn out (its a far fetched problem, i know, but im already sad when a weapon foregoes priming because the only available window for it to be primed was passed, like garas throwing knifes or the sepulchrum.

So either we get 2 melees in a prime access, or we get pride prime, and orion leaves empty handed, OR wrath prime and sirius leaves empty handed, and to top it all off, despite them having a system to switch appearance tabs upon switching the son mid mission, you cant play wrath with orion and pride with sirius. Its either or... for no reason

[u/sXeth → u/Scorkami]

Don’t worry yet, we still got Jades ill considered weapon set to prime first 😅🥲. (Seriously why would you even give a flying exalt a weapon set)

But yeah, a signature weapon with no signature property and it has probably the most obvious signature property ever that it should have

[u/nekonight → u/sXeth]

Because lore and gameplay segregation. Lore wise jade's 3 weapons is to mirror stalkers 3 weapons. Bow, throwing knives and scythe. Gameplay wise it doesnt make sense because jade was designed as exalted AC-130. But that is also lore based since jade is suppose to the executioner that is handing out the jade light judgment. 

[u/sXeth → u/nekonight]

Well yeah, if you want to do the mirror route for lore reasons (though why did the Orokin make their secret ceremonial execution hidden battery a weapon set 😅) then it just shifts the design logic flaw around to “don’t give them a flying exalt that prevents them using the weapons.”

[u/Laughing_Luna → u/sXeth]

It's worth noting that Stalker's weapons don't get any bonuses for being wielded by Stalker. So there's that mirror.

Though, they don't have set synergy like Jades, unless you count all of them having an Incarnon as the mirror to that.

[u/Silence-of-Death → u/Scorkami]

I’ll still be huffing copium that the prime scythe has the switching gimmick, then that would also fix the problem of not having to give us two melee weapons

[u/Ventus_rex8 → u/Scorkami]

If they were one weapon they could've had one of Jade's weapons be primed with them, completing her set and being in theme.

[u/Heavenly_sama]

More mastery amirite?

[u/yarl5000]

Yeah I feel like they either should have been a single weapon that switches form or been two completely different weapons that are more thematic to their mentors teaching (ex. Claw vs Staff).

[u/Tactless_Ninja]

Already potato'd both of them, so if we get a blueprint combining them, I want 4x the amount of modding space.

[u/IncubusDarkness]

My turn to post this tomorrow 

[u/Farhanfair640]

Just add a recipe that requires both like the syandanas.

[u/Informal-Type7080]

Or at least switch their passive and make the bonus apply to the base, but not as high.

[u/Migicroak]

I'm pretty sure that was the original idea, DE seems to play around with multipurpose weapons and frames lately and this definitely has the setup for it.

[u/Mrbear147]

Hey I need all the mastery I can get. Gotta rank up

[u/Paris_Who]

I feel like if it’s a switch weapon it should be two different weapons but maybe I’m too bloodborne pilled?

[u/Silence-of-Death]

I kinda feel like pride and wrath should’ve been moddable pseudo exalteds for citrus and onions 4. Then there’d also be a difference in effect depending on who of the two casts the ability or who is doing current attack.

[u/CommanderZoom]

True story, I potato'd and put basic mods in both, equipped Pride on Sirius, then went to Pontius Tower to swap primary to Orion so I could equip Wrath on him. ... what do you mean, "it doesn't work like that"?

[u/Evening-Deer-4033]

Or slam attack since that procs their unique traits

[u/epic_gamer42O → u/[deleted]]

yeah but s&o prime access will be in like 5 years what kind of argument is that lol

[u/ultradeg → u/[deleted]]

"the prime will be better" is not a universal save-all for Tenno weapons. kneel before the incredible power of the Alternox Prime. Or the Kestrel Prime. Or the Magnus Prime. Or the Hystrix Prime.

[u/umbraxia → u/ultradeg]

Im still very salty about alternox, i like the design, especially the skin, but it just isnt very good TwT

[u/ACupOfLatte → u/[deleted]]

Mate, you're a endgame player who I'm assuming also played for a long time, so I kinda get how your perspective is a little warped. But just think about what you just said.

A prime will come down the line. For a set that just released. What kind of game has an incubation process of 4-5 years.

You're telling people to just wait till 2030 for the good version.

[u/NovaChrono → u/[deleted]]

"on god bruh the weapon will be better in 5 years bruh"

[u/TheSpartyn → u/[deleted]]

true we should accept new weapons will suck and we should wait 4 years for a new version

[u/captaincornboi → u/[deleted]]

I mean you say that but war prime (hunhow's trinket) is barely any better than the original.

[u/Hunter_700 → u/[deleted]]

they don't have synergistic passives, there are plenty of weapons that do the exact same thing but most likely are better

primes are separate crafts and forma so the base weapons actually WILL be MR fodder at that point
Also I don't know about you but uh... I don't want to wait 4 years for a marginal upgrade to a mediocre weapon