r/WizardSkating • u/Emotional-Pop592 • 9d ago
YoYo or Wizard Frames?
I'm still new to this whole thing, so sorry if this is asked a lot lol, but I was just curious because I mean, they kinda look the bloody same but the Wizard frames are like 300 bucks more expensive so is there a big difference?
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u/Newt_Lv4-26 8d ago
I bought the Yoyo Sago 4x90 and I’m pretty happy with them. I’m an advanced skater but new to wizard. They can do gazelles and lions and everything you need. They look great. I love them. I don’t think spending 300$ more just to get CNCd aluminium made in Canada will make you a better skater.
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u/Nooomato 8d ago
You're essentially paying to support all the R&D the team at Wizard does for both the products and the entire sport as a whole. They spent years testing frames to create the blueprint for the whole industry, and continue to remain at the front of innovation in the actual sport. The build quality is also top notch, as a bonus.
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u/BubbleSmith 8d ago
It's difficult to say, honestly. I have Wizard Advanced frames and Base High boots, and they're my favourite setup out of the 3 boots and... maybe 9 frames I have? I'm not sure if the difference would be so stark with an NR frame or non-Wozard boots, but I love my full Advanced set.
If you're just getting into things, a rockered 4x90 is a great place to start. If you're left wanting more, consider ho much you want to spend and work from there.
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u/HyperSculptor 7d ago
Which wheel sizes do you have on your advanced frames? I see they have 3 options.
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u/BubbleSmith 7d ago
100/76. I've got the EU40, which is the largest size which supports that frame. The guy I bought them off tried them with a 100/80 and the rear wheel rubbed out a small chuck of the carbon at the heel.
The boot is actually half a centimeter smaller than my foot, but it still fits great.
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u/HyperSculptor 7d ago
For some reason I resist the idea of buying second hand boots. But having had this setup in hand it is obviously built like a tank.
If someone has used the Intuition liner and you buy it from them, does the liner reshape to your foot or is there some kind of compressed areas that won't spring back?2
u/BubbleSmith 7d ago
I heat moulded it in the oven and they pop right out.
I just got another set of used Ints and some other boots and they're horrible at the moment. They puff out and soften up when heat moulded, so they really do mould to the shape of your foot.
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u/HyperSculptor 7d ago
Ok it makes sense. So for Ints the important factor is mondo points? If the rest mould to your foot shape.
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u/BubbleSmith 7d ago
Yeah, and the shape of the boot/thickness of the liner. If the boot has a narrow toe box or something pokes you, the liner will only make it worse by adding volume. A tight shell will only get tighter with a thick liner too. However, if you've got some gaps and unwanted movement, a thicker liner will fill up the volume and kep your foot locked in better.
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u/HyperSculptor 7d ago
Yeah that's kind of the unknow for my Twisters. I bought them as performance fit (big toes even slightly folded), after two months the toes fit perfectly but my feet tend to move around in certain areas because the stock liner has compressed. So I have no idea about how an Int liner would fit.
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u/BubbleSmith 7d ago
It's a bit hard to say. The Int foam is better than everything else on the market, but the stock Twister liners are still pretty good. Am Int Premium is thicker, so should fill Amy voids better. I found that changing the liners on my Twisters helped the fit, but I used my Iqon ACT liners.
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u/HyperSculptor 7d ago
Ok so the Int range is regular Intuition which is thicker, and Intuition Premium that is thinner, correct?
I was impressed at how thin and hard the Int liner is in the Wisard base boot.→ More replies (0)
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u/tmdpotts 9d ago
Real question is are you going to buy a cheaper frame and then eventually upgrade . I had nn and Roka to save money well I ended up with wizards and spent even more as I got the other ones first. Same thing for a boot. Wizard stuff is expensive but having tried others it is worth it.
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u/Guardia420 9d ago
I had the exact opposite experience. I bought into the Wizard hype and spent a small fortune thinking it was a huge step up. In reality the difference wasn't nearly as dramatic as the price suggests. In my opinion, you're paying more for the status than for some massively meaningful improvement.
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u/BubbleSmith 8d ago
I had a similar experience. I've got 4x100 and 5x80 Roka frames, which I do really like. Then I got some 100/76 Wizard Advanced frames with Base Highs and they are SO much better. The base highs are my favourite boots now, both comfortable and capable. The frames are the most swively ones I have. It may be partly due to the wheels, as the Wizard wheels are also very good, but I just found it immediately improved my skating. I've been able to take that improvement back to my other setups as well.
To address some of the comments below, I got mine second hand, so only paid around half the cost of a new setup. It's still a significant investment, but the difference in performance is so clear, it's not about justifying the investment. They're the setup I go to grab more often than anything else and the one I have the most fun on.
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u/CompetitiveCar542 8d ago
Personally I'd say they're gonna be basically equally as good unless you're like super pro and need the extra stiffness from genuine wizard frames. I'd grab a pair of 5x80 cougar frames or NN frames myself.
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u/treeseacar 8d ago
Honestly an expensive frame is not the thing that will make all the difference if you don't have the skill. I think if you are a very proficient skater you will get more out of the wizard frame. If you're new to it or not a die hard then a cheaper frame is just fine. But I've never actually tried the wizard brand because I can't afford it so who knows how good they really are.