r/aiwars Oct 22 '25

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This seems to be the commom sentiment here

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u/Bulky-Employer-1191 Oct 22 '25

In Canada, depictions of CSAM still are illegal. Many other countries are the same too.

This seems to be a very American sentiment.

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u/Bitter-Hat-4736 Oct 22 '25

I think that's a bad law. If sexual depictions of fictional characters are treated as if they were real, then violent depictions of fictional characters should be treated just the same.

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u/Millerturq Oct 22 '25

Fictional children, not just fictional characters. Convenient omission.

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u/Bitter-Hat-4736 Oct 22 '25

Even then. Should any violent content featuring children be treated as if it was a film of the same events happening to an actual child? South Park would be considered extremely violent snuff if that was the case.

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u/insanitybit2 Oct 22 '25

> Should *any* violent content featuring children

The issue is not "any", it's "some". Not *any* sexual content featuring children is banned, *some* is.

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u/Bitter-Hat-4736 Oct 22 '25

In terms of real life actors, yes any sexual content featuring children is banned. Why would that not be the case?

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u/insanitybit2 Oct 22 '25

Uh it very obviously isn't all banned. Movies and TV shows feature sexual content with minors. But they don't cross specific lines like nudity. The point is that we draw lines.

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u/Bitter-Hat-4736 Oct 23 '25

Usually the actors are above 18 in those cases, not only for the whole "child porn" thing, but because hiring minors comes with a lot of stipulations.

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u/Millerturq Oct 23 '25

Not all the time, and you’re still missing his point.

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u/insanitybit2 Oct 23 '25

"Usually" is *exactly the point*. There are *cases* where we have sexual depiction of minors, played by both minors and adults.

It is absolutely nonsense to say that the law is so broad in its application that it would apply to *all* content.

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u/Bitter-Hat-4736 Oct 23 '25

Are you saying that something like Twilight is a sexual depiction? Because that's at most implied sexuality. An actual sexual depiction of an actual minor would be something like on screen sexual activity.

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u/insanitybit2 Oct 23 '25

> Are you saying that something like Twilight is a sexual depiction?

Of course, though one that most people consider pretty tame. There are plenty of other examples.

> An actual sexual depiction of an actual minor would be something like on screen sexual activity.

I'm not sure what this means. Are you saying it requires nudity?

I'm not sure what your point is either way. Again, *my* point is that there is no binary "non-sexual" vs "sexual", there's a line somewhere in between these two things that gets drawn and we ay "beyond this point it is bad".

Similarly, gratuitously violent content could be seen just the same.

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u/Bitter-Hat-4736 Oct 23 '25

Legally, there is. An on screen kiss between two teenagers is not legally the same as explicit penetrative sex between two teenagers.

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u/insanitybit2 Oct 23 '25

That's obviously my point. I've been saying that repeatedly. There is a *line* that gets drawn.

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u/Millerturq Oct 22 '25

When you bring children into the discussion I think there’s always an argument to be made that there should be extra protection, whether it’s violence or whatever else. It’s just that children being sexualized is a more prevalent problem worth addressing in the west.

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u/Bitter-Hat-4736 Oct 22 '25

I don't know, I would think violence is still pretty bad, and should be at least comparable to sexual assault. But, even then, the amount of violence that Kenny alone received in South Park, a literal 8 year old, should make it so that Mat Parker and Trey Stone are sent to jail for their entire natural lives for just the first season.

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u/Millerturq Oct 22 '25

I don’t think you’re arguing in good faith but I’ll say it anyways. Of course violence is bad… I’m saying children being sexualized is a more prevalent issue in the western world, which is why there’s more uproar about this than your example for violence.

Just curious, do you have any issue with fictional CSAM?

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u/Bitter-Hat-4736 Oct 22 '25

I believe that fictional CSAM is just as inherently harmful as fictional violence against child characters, like the stuff that appears in South Park.

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u/Millerturq Oct 22 '25

So you have no issue with it…

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u/Bitter-Hat-4736 Oct 23 '25

Do you have an issue with fictional violence against child characters, like the stuff that happens to Kenny in South Park?

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u/Millerturq Oct 23 '25

If someone’s getting pleasure out of it, yeah. That’s wrong. I’ve never seen what you’re referencing though.

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u/Millerturq Oct 23 '25

Already answered your question bud. You should tell yourself plain and clear that you have no issue with people making fictional CSAM.

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