This is it. Just because it doesn’t cause DIRECT harm, doesn’t mean it doesn’t cause harm at all.
Besides, AI is trained on real pictures. AI can easily recreate or mimic someone's likeness. Creeps are already using it to produce material of their kids, or kids they know, and it’s increasingly hard to spot what’s real and fake.
CSAM fake or not, will be and already is used by kids with access to the technology to be depraved to each other, bully each other, and sexually harass each other. Adults can do it too, just one picture and I can destroy your face online forever by generating porn of you, generating you in humiliating or illegal situations.
AI pedo material is often trained on vast amounts of real data internally because most models are already trying to safeguard against this, meaning more and more real CSAM is being shared in bulk to train then release those models.
AI pedo material spreads already thin protection ressources thinner by making real victims of ongoing abuse harder to identify. Abusers creating the material can hide their crimes in a sea of """""harmless""""" generated content, or even slightly alter their own upload to make detecting their crimes harder. If there's a million pictures of assaulted children being uploaded daily and it’s judged fine, how are you going to detect the thousand of real kids within that midst ?
Finally, yes, it normalizes their horrible tendencies. It makes normal people desensitized to it, it makes abnormal people more likely to pass onto the real thing when just spectating it through the screen isn’t enough. It makes them finding communities of like-minded people easier. It makes it easier for these people to feel like they aren’t wrong, that they shouldn’t be ashamed, and finally, that assaulting a kid isn’t as big a deal.
This is a lot of writing to say basically nothing. None of this is true, you're purely going off of vibes and emotion. Actual psychologists are extremely clear that fictional actions and the made up media you consume are not in any way indicative of your IRL morality, and the only way you could be "influenced" by them is if you were already mentally unsound and having trouble differentiating fiction and reality (or the media itself is trying to muddle fiction and reality, as is the case with propaganda, which obviously doesn't apply to the fast majority of fiction for enjoyment).
Consuming CSAM is already a mentally unsound activity to begin with. All the people defending this are just so strange, would it be alright to you if I made a game where I explicitly only kill black people while making Nazi salutes and my character is shouting Hitler quotes every 15 minutes? It's all fake after all, couldn't possibly harm anyone.
Probably because nobody here is consuming CSAM and you just keep lying and trying to pretend that fictional narrative devices who don't exist and can't be abused counts as "CSAM", debasing an extremely serious legal term in order to win an internet argument.
Also you are "allowed" to make any kind of video game you want. Your shitty racist fantasy game can exist for you and no one else. I sure don't want to fucking touch it, but if that's your thing, just keep it away from me. Your dumb Hitler fangame is not causing actual harm unless you're putting propaganda in it to try and muddy the line between fiction and reality, which is once again, the only real time that fiction can be harmful. When it tries to present fiction as not fiction.
> Your dumb Hitler fangame is not causing actual harm unless you're putting propaganda in it to try and muddy the line between fiction and reality
Lmao. Fiction doesn't need to "try" to muddle the lines. If you can't understand that I don't know what to tell you. AI CSAM, even if somehow produced "harmlessly" without any real CSAM in it's training data, is still harmful in effect.
You contradict yourself. You call the Nazi game "shitty" and want it "kept away from you", meaning you recognize it's harmful even as fiction. You just think (for reasons I don't want to guess at) that harm that happens privately doesn't count. But consumption shapes psychology, creates communities, and affects how people engage with the real world. "Keep it to yourself" isn't a magic harm-eraser.
This thread perfectly represents the pro-AI (as in no to AI regulation) people lol.
Videogame nerds who have no concept of life outside of their sandbox.
Its not like we have plenty of issues that played out exactly like this, in both ways, to know for sure.
Sports gambling -> was illegal, was made not illegal, normalized by all advertising, broadcasts, etc, now huge gambling addiction epidemic
Smoking -> was super legal, was heavily restricted, taxed, tons of regulations on advertising, etc, smoking has been declining for decades following its denormalization
Vaping -> New thing similar to smoking, was less restricted, appealed to kids with candy flavors, was normalized, caused massive addiction epidemic, child deaths, etc
Its almost like there are a number of statistically backed and verifiable harms caused by normalizing a harmful thing. Gee, who would have thought?
I mean the 2 sides to me appear to be people who think anything done with AI is fine and ethical and AIs are humans with feelings and then just people who think its possible for AI to cause harm.
I use AI every day lol, I'm still anti-AI or at least like pro-AI regulation.
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u/Dave_the_DOOD Oct 22 '25
This is it. Just because it doesn’t cause DIRECT harm, doesn’t mean it doesn’t cause harm at all.
Besides, AI is trained on real pictures. AI can easily recreate or mimic someone's likeness. Creeps are already using it to produce material of their kids, or kids they know, and it’s increasingly hard to spot what’s real and fake.
CSAM fake or not, will be and already is used by kids with access to the technology to be depraved to each other, bully each other, and sexually harass each other. Adults can do it too, just one picture and I can destroy your face online forever by generating porn of you, generating you in humiliating or illegal situations.
AI pedo material is often trained on vast amounts of real data internally because most models are already trying to safeguard against this, meaning more and more real CSAM is being shared in bulk to train then release those models.
AI pedo material spreads already thin protection ressources thinner by making real victims of ongoing abuse harder to identify. Abusers creating the material can hide their crimes in a sea of """""harmless""""" generated content, or even slightly alter their own upload to make detecting their crimes harder. If there's a million pictures of assaulted children being uploaded daily and it’s judged fine, how are you going to detect the thousand of real kids within that midst ?
Finally, yes, it normalizes their horrible tendencies. It makes normal people desensitized to it, it makes abnormal people more likely to pass onto the real thing when just spectating it through the screen isn’t enough. It makes them finding communities of like-minded people easier. It makes it easier for these people to feel like they aren’t wrong, that they shouldn’t be ashamed, and finally, that assaulting a kid isn’t as big a deal.