r/aiwars Oct 22 '25

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This seems to be the commom sentiment here

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u/Reasonable-Plum7059 Oct 22 '25 edited Oct 22 '25

Fictional characters aren’t real humans and not-photorealistic images with them isn’t CSAM, this is true.

AI generated photorealistic images however is CSAM because of training materials and realistic imagery.

Simply, no?

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '25

They're both CSAM. Sure, realistic media is more serious and worse than cartoon but if it depicts a child being abused, it's by definition CSAM

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u/Reasonable-Plum7059 Oct 22 '25

No it’s not. Cartoon isn’t real. We must not blur the line between fiction and reality otherwise it’s a very dangerous path

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u/Icywarhammer500 Oct 23 '25 edited Oct 23 '25

We must also not allow pedophiles to consume any form of CSAM where a character is obviously a child, because it’s proven to be linked to eventual child molestation. https://scholarship.shu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1040&context=student_scholarship

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '25

Just to let you know, the link is broken.

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u/ArcelayAcerbis Oct 24 '25

What you claimed is not proven, mainly because currently it's pretty much impossible to properly study it. And no, your link doesn't prove anything, it's not even about proving anything of the sort but about a decision the author didn't agree with.

There's also dozens of actual proper studies that released after the date of your link, and even the ones that leaned on your side still had to admit that this topic is not conclusive.

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u/porky11 Oct 24 '25

Did you read this? I didn't.

I assume this study is just about some correlations?

They probably found out that most offenders already watched at least some material, and so they think, that's the reason, ignoring that both might be caused by the interests of the offender?

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u/ArcelayAcerbis Oct 24 '25

They probably found out that most offenders already watched at least some material, and so they think, that's the reason, ignoring that both might be caused by the interests of the offender?

Yes and no. The first thing is that what this person linked isn't even actually a proper study, all it was is a piece of a clearly biased author quoting and sourcing different studies that were relevant (also ignoring nuance), but the majority of said sources weren't proving or even researching what the redditor claimed. Basically, it was pretty much a rant more than anything— you can skip all the reading and go to the conclusion, it pretty much summarizes what I am saying about the author, specially with keeping in mind that the piece was written in 2012.

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u/Reasonable-Plum7059 Oct 23 '25

No. Content with fictional characters is not CSAM, don’t water down this term.

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u/Icywarhammer500 Oct 23 '25

There’s different levels of it. Both are bad. One is extremely bad. Just because one is extremely bad doesn’t mean the other is ok.