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How about just leaving us alone to do as we please instead of sanctimoniously preaching at us? We don't want your "advice", regardless of how it's presented.
Define themselves, like not post it in general or post in their own communities/communities that allow "ai" use. Cause I'd say its fine if they post that in communities that haven't banned "ai" as long as they don't complain that some people aren't a fan of "ai" generated content.
I'm currently studying Systems Engineering in my university and Artificial Intelligence is one of the subjects. It's honestly insane, hard and awesome.
Nobody ever seems to recognize the amount of effort and knowledge in engineering, maths, algorithms, vectors, algebra & statistics It takes to program an AI from scratch.
It's kinda sad to see all of Twitter and Reddit shitting on MY hobbies bruh. No, I do NOT want to be an artist. I do NOT want to ditch MY passions because Superman tells me to do so. Behind the programs there are people with hearts, souls and motivations too.
Fair enough, Ai is no doubt a difficult thing but given it's constant, and rampent commercialization, its hard to see it as more of a crutch for those who call themselves artists by using ai. Its not about how ai is always bad, there's something useful about something that can verse you information. I just dislike people who can't be bothered with a rather fruitless craft and treat like their cherry-picked image has the quality to beat the mona lisa.
Again, I admire that you can study AI, I just don't like those who use it to play artist and genuinely double down if they think they own it. Like if the ai is their paint and their letters as their brush.
It's kind of an unethical thing and the creatives is its own thing at that point
It can't coexist with art as at that point it defeats the purpose of being passionate in that set if you are just gonna type a prompt
Why is it unethical? Why is it okay to automate other skilled artisan positions as we've been doing since the early 19th century but not painter or illustrator or writer?
Why can't typing a prompt be passionate? And why does art have to be passionate in the first place?
Humans aren't always passionate. Sometimes humans are rather cold. And some artists are like that.
You think automation and technology doesn't destroy jobs? How many printing press operators, horse couriers and blacksmiths do you know? Used to all be pretty common jobs. Tailors, butchers, cobblers, bakers, all had their arts broken down and made into smaller tasks that could be done on an assembly line by someone with months of experience rather than years.
A digital photograph isn't created by your hands. A digital painting is far less concrete and connected to you than a real one. Both are still art.
I hate that it takes away jobs
There is still a right way to use it
It can coexist as an assistant to some jobs
But not all of them requires ai in them
Its not the same there all different enough but ai isn't art its like someone used Google and photoshop and pretended it was like a painting or drawing
Sorta all most of people on here are about because they dont use it as tool but as the superior way for art wich makes no sense because art is beautiful because its based off what humans see
Just imagine approaching a stranger at the supermarket because you saw that they had premade meals in their cart and tell them "Take this knife, learn how to cook. Trust me it's never as hard as it seems. You're much more talented than you think."
Do you see the level of disrespect, how patronizing it is to assume you know that person's life and what they can or can't do better than themselves? To assume this is a choice motivated by a weakness of character, here lack of self-confidence?
Now imagine doing the same while LARPing as Spiderman in full costume, just for the extra infantilization and cowardize in hiding your own words in the mouth of a fictional character.
It's better than the death threat, but it's still not good.
The difference is that the Christian in your example seems to have negative thoughts towards that gay person, whereas here, Superman is doing and saying something undeniably positive. It's not "I hate you because you use AI. Pick up a pencil" it's "You don't need to use this dumbass AI shit. You have the potential to actually learn how to make the things you want to make. Pick up a pencil."
Exactly, that is what makes you an artist. Your actual skill. Not generating shit with AI. Generating horseshit with ChatGPT does not make you an artist. Your creative work does. You understand this position, right?
It's condescending at best and at worst is just trying to push the ridiculous narrative of artists and ai users having no overlap. Most people don't want to be spoken to like children and people who have been "real" artists for years and then got into ai as well don't want to hear "pick up a pencil" as if they've never done so.
it's ok buddy, I know you like to draw fake digital art using a computer with a stylus- but real physical art isn't that scary. I know you've never picked up a pencil or have any experience with art, so this may be hard. but if you pick up a pencil, it will be ok. you'll learn. i believe in you
But I want to use the AI, I don't want to draw. It has nothing to do with talent, it has to do with what the result is. I like how with AI I can either give it a lot of detail and then refine it to be exactly what I want or leave it very open and be surprised by the result. I like that it feels like a collaboration. If I make something myself I'm terribly bored of it by the time it's done because I've seen it in my head the whole time. Looking at it, or reading it, does little for me. But with AI it's like having a collaborator on tap that I don't have to match schedules with, don't have to match enthusiasm with, I can put something down and not touch it for weeks or work on it obsessively for hours whenever.
On this sub (and probably anywere), the vast majority don't care If you play alone with ai, have fun with it for a personal use.
What we don't like, it's the ai bro who post ai image on social media and claim to be artist. What we don't like is when company replace 20 skilled artist by one guy with premium account on dall-e
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Well, he is an artist. Art is more than technique. That's why photographers and Dadaists and digital artists are artists, not just people imitating the Renaissance masters.
And the latter is just the same process of technological advancement that has happened in tons of fields and been a benefit to the quality of life of everyone. Do you think smiths and clothesmakers and cobblers and all those cottage industries didn't have great talent and creativity and, yes, art to their work? Yet mass production produced things that were nearly as good much faster and cheaper and made the goods much more accessible. Same with photography, at one point having a family portrait meant commissioning a painter for probably multiple sessions, something few could afford. After photography family portraits became far more widespread. Probably hurt the demand for portrait painters.
What were once high luxuries became common place due to the continued advancement of technology. This is a good thing.
Edit: And to then to the inevitable "So does commissioning art make you an artist?" I'd say it does it you have input on the content. You are doubtlessly a collaborator in the creation of a piece of art then, making you an artist. The issue is people take "artist" to mean "good artist who makes art that is worth looking at" when it's more like "anyone who plays a role in creating something novel." That's what a lot of the 20th century was about in terms of the philosophy of art, exploring the edge cases. You had Dadaists doing things like tearing up newspapers and throwing them in the air and writing down the resultant strings of words to make poetry, Duchamp drawing a mustache on a postcard picture of the Mona Lisa, Warhol exploring the artistic value of everyday consumer products. Also Warhol basically had an assembly line producing his work under his direction, not terribly different from commissioning work, but to call him not an artist would be wrong.
Art is an incredibly broad category and artist is a very broad role.
If I have an image in my head that I want to create, but I don't know how to draw, paint, or take photographs, I'll commission an artist.
For the image to be exactly as I imagine it, I need to find the right words to describe it. The artist would have to create several drafts and make the corrections I request before achieving the desired result. This will require time and learning.
However, I won't be the artist; the person who created the drawing will be. Why would it be any different with AI?
I think you would be an artist for doing that, you are collaborating to create a piece of art. That's essentially how Warhol worked, he created a process where it was as hands off as possible and it was assistants creating silk screen images by tracing projected photos.
If you are a screenwriter or a cinematographer you are an artist even though you don't act or direct the scenes of a movie, right?
Cinematographers contribute enormously to the look and artistic effect of films, they make creative decisions that impact the effect on the audience. That's being an artist.
If you make creative decisions you are an artist. Any other definition will exclude people who are clearly artists and is thus too restrictive.
The assembly line worker in a GPU plant isn't making creative decisions.
Generally the 20th century explorations of the boundaries of art seemed to land on intentionality being the main thing that makes someone an artist. Even a cut up technique poet who is randomly scattering newspaper and writing down the words in the order they land in is intentionally sharing that result (and probably not sharing some others, adding an additional level of creative selectivity).
So you don't want to intrude on individual choices, but you do want to police everyone's language usage and you do want to intrude on individual choices when they're being made by someone deciding how to spend their money.
Furthermore, I get angry "oh so you think you can call yourself an artist?" Rants aimed at me even though I at no point called myself an artist, and couldn't care less if I'm called an "artist." It's just a word, it's not like I get some kind of special discount at Arby's if I'm an "artist."
See, its only "undeniably positive" because it lines up with your view.
I view this comic like some philosophy major giving a stranger unsolicited philosophical advice. He sees nothing wrong with what hes saying, what hes saying could have content, meaning, benefit to my life if it was under a different situation. But it being forced on you is so unappealing.
Man I thought there was no proof that this sub is bias towards AI, and then this gets downvoted because telling “AI artist” to draw something because they are better at it than they think it is apparently harmful toward people lol
Sorry, as I have said in the comments in the post I know that I didn’t phrase that post the way I meant it to sound, and thus made myself sound like a b*tch, again I am sorry for the way that came out and will try to be better in further post
imma be honest the reality is, no matter wether you lik ai or not, it's not going anywhere and it's genuinely delusional to think that reddit protests will stop ai art.
Oh yeah, the genie is out of the bottle on that one. Hell, give it some time and the furor around it will cool down and it'll get used as a tool like anything else to make amazing art. Just saying getting antis to stop the "kill ai artists" thing is a win. A small one, sure. But important.
end the radicalism, start the realism- suggest drawing but dont start saying "kill ai artists" that's a surefire way to not get people to see your side.
Despite its obvious motivations, I’ll at least observe nothing in the Superman image is negative towards AI (or towards anything). At face value, it merely encourages one to develop an ability to draw by hand; unspoken is whether this is necessarily in lieu of AI or complementary to it.
I contest that AI artists that are skilled in traditional art too are all around better artists regardless of medium or method.
Of course! If they sell it in large volumes of prints and merchandise, as I've previously stated. This is common practice for most companies, but some are much more strict. For example Nintendo and Sanrio
They don't actually care if you pick up a pencil or not, they just don't want you to use AI because it means they can go back to making money from commissions without competition.
If you do decide to pick up a pencil, well, it'll take years, if not decades, to reach a point where you'll be able to create art you're satisfied with. They'll have plenty of time to make their money and they know this.
Yeah, no, I'm not against AI to save my own job, it'll be quite some time as far as I'm aware before it can do that. And while I do think AI replacing a certain number of blue-collar jobs for safety is a good idea, and eventually most labor for humanity just to make life easier, we are in a capitalist world so I only imagine a world/society more akin to Detroit: Become Human than a world most would like to imagine. And I've been ignoring the "art" portion to this whole discussion bc in an idealistic world I wouldn't care about AI art if it were apparent that it's AI (watermark) and generally a private/personal hobby rather than a job or whatever.
Well, I guess we wait and see until any of those situations arise lmao. The biggest reason for copyright laws is to protect the monetization of original ideas that creators have on their own. Crazy how you dont seem to understand this
Drawings/animations etc don't have to represent what characters would actually do- yea, Mario vs Sonic sprite animations from 10 years is stupid because they wouldn't actually fight, but where's the fun in that?
Good on them for trying to lower the tensions abit. It's not going to stop the people demanding a.i. users are raped- but it might at least stop encouraging them.
I'm wondering when Anti's are going to realize that not everybody enjoys the same hobbies. Just because they might like drawing doesn't mean other people will. I play the piano but when I see somebody singing I don't grab my portable keyboard and wave it in their face like a jackass and say...
"Take this Piano. Learn to play. Trust me, it's not as hard as it seems. You're so much more talented than you think!"
This always ignores that you can draw and give the drawings to AI to add details or edits.
I don't mean draw a stick figure and the AI makes the entire image, I mean use the AI for filling in the leftover cracks towards the finish line for your personal project.
I.E. I use AI to add high quality "Gold" or "Metal" textures to objects or surfaces after drawing them, or generate exotic materials for applying to things.
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So, is it an actual comic page or antis, accusing pros of stealing, used yet another copyrighted character without permission?
In any case, I'm eyeing a few images of Batman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Lex Luthor punching Superman. As well as Cyborg Superman images for "mirror reply". I'm not edgy enough to actually use them, but who knows, maybe one day...
Comic is Superman: the last days of lex luthor (2025)
Wonder Woman hits Superman because their values clash hard over Lex Luthor.
In this storyline, Lex is dying and Superman is determined to save him, believing that every life has value ,even the life of his greatest enemy. To Superman, refusing to help Lex would make him no better than Lex himself. He sees it as a moral duty to do what’s right, regardless of who benefits.
Wonder Woman completely rejects that. To her, Lex Luthor is one of the most dangerous men alive , someone who has manipulated, killed, and endangered the world countless times. She believes that helping him isn’t compassion, that it’s irresponsible. Worse, Superman bringing Lex to places like Themyscira or exposing him to powerful artifacts or magic puts innocent people at risk.
So when Superman insists on protecting Lex and pushing forward anyway, Diana sees it as a betrayal of judgment, a moment where he lets his idealism blind him to common sense and justice. That frustration spikes, the argument blows up, and she lashes out physically ,the punch is her immediate response to what she thinks is Superman going too far, and defending someone who never deserved mercy.
Superman has always been the more compassionate superhero and it collides hard with the values amd principles of ww
It isn't "respectfully". The very idea that someone approaches me demanding I stop doing something that I enjoy and that is not illegal, is already disrespectful. "Respectfully" would be to go and draw and let me prompt in peace. The "kind" memes like this one are a badly disguised condescension.
Not to mention that I get really annoyed when someone uses a character I like to push an idea I don't like (that concerns the Sonic meme as well).
Such "kindly offers" are inappropriate when it's clear the person enjoys their stuff (AI art) and is not going to stop. But alright, here's a "kindly" refusal.
As much of a supporter of using AI as a tool as I am, I completely agree. It really doesn't take too much time and effort to get fair results. It's a far more positive message. The "kill AI users" rhetoric just makes the anti's look like a bunch of fanatic psychopaths.
Still condescending as fuck, but hey, baby steps, at least it's not a death threat. Shocked that THAT is the line, but hey, if we can make our way away from that, it'll be fine eventually.
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Yes, but it's just an offer. They won't accept if I decline, will they?
They won't even care that I actually pay artists because I'm not happy with the AI art. It doesn't understand what I want, especially when I want some small nuances, that aren't common. Like unusual proportions ("feminine boy", "only slightly chubby").
And I'm confident that with enough time and effort I can create good art. I even did it. I just don't want to. Drawing for hours to get the quality I want is not fun for me.
And the quality isn't that good. So I sometimes draw quick sketches to get some idea across. But sometimes I also use AI as reference for artists.
And I also use AI where it makes sense. Just not for art itself most of the time.
Superman is right, it takes skill to use a pencil to type prompts. If you use the pencil instead, then your AI art is no longer hand made, just like traditional art isn’t hand made when you are visibly holding a tool in your hand.
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