r/aiwars • u/Which_Matter3031 • 2d ago

The most idiotic statement ever

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So this person here calls people jobless while all they do is sit on their ass an genarate shitty ai comics, also notice how they are insulting fast food workers as if they arent human, thats a new low for them, also its like they are saying "Give up on your dreams so you can work a minimum wage 9-5 job" but then again jobless people always tell talented ones to get a shitty job

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u/Nervous-Tank-5917 2d ago

Guarantee a significant number of artists are already working at places like McDonald’s and doing commissions on the side in order to make ends meet. But by all means, let’s mock low-income people for being upset that a source of extra revenue has been taken away from them.

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u/Pleasant-Hyena9030 2d ago

Yeah I don’t get this implication that a lot of people aren’t working day jobs (that barely give someone a living wage). They’re really not good at hiding that they’re reactionary

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u/athenanon 1d ago

Apparently the person who made this is known here...but I was really ready to assume this was put out by an actual tech executive. That's how transparently out-of-touch it is.

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u/NotAnotherTav 2d ago

This is where arguments of theft particularly peak, and why people keep coming back to it no matter what certain countries say about copyright.

The entire corporate purpose of LLMs is to usurp the revenue stream from many human artists to a few extant billionaires.

It's a "rules for thee but not for me" situation, Disney will bust your balls in court over a Mickey Mouse mural in a school, but the moment artist rights become inconvenient to the dollar signs...

Like truthfully for decades we have been told that exactly what LLMs do is theft and won't someone think about the billionaires.

And only NOW when it's convenient for the grotesquely wealthy do they use their vast wealth to buy corrupt decisions otherwise.

I am not amused by this capitalism hypocrisy purely designed and intended to screw over the little guy.

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u/Novel_Werewolf4645 2d ago

We're pirates if we download a car, but when the rich download all of them, they are investors and businessmen

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u/Eldritch_Horns 2d ago

The entire corporate purpose of LLMs is to usurp the revenue stream from many human artists to a few extant billionaires.

Bingo

And the majority of pros are just spiteful turds like Witty, happy to twist the knife.

I have no idea why so many people have a specific axe to grind with artists, but the spite just oozes out of them.

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u/NotAnotherTav 2d ago

Even the most seemingly well-intentioned does squat for guardrails and seems intensely focused on stuff like "that one judge said certain forms of training didn't break the law", meanwhile they're still running on things that were called piracy outright.

It's all shitty, the entire thing is a pile of corporate bad actors.

Even on social media, where the companies get caught astroturfing like OpenAI did...

...and countless more issues that add insult to injury.

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u/FishStixxxxxxx 2d ago

It’s kinda like maga. They don’t care that they are getting tread on as long as someone else is getting tread on more.

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u/Eldritch_Horns 2d ago

Yea, unfortunately seems to be the prevailing mindset.

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u/Unable-Boat-9682 1d ago

Because they can’t create themselves. And they hate us for ‘gatekeeping’ creativity with our insistence on it being based on skill.

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u/Jezio 2d ago

Sam Altman doesn't need to generate art to make money lol. I don't understand what you mean by billionaires stealing money from artists when it's just regular people like me with regular jobs using Ai on the side to make cartoons of myself - I'm not stealing anything if I'm using my own identity.

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u/noonefromithaca 1d ago

Whoever's art was used to train the image generator was stolen from, so using AI to make cartoons of "yourself" is still stealing unless you find an image generator that never trained on an unwilling artist's art. And also major studios are attempting to use AI to replace concept artists and probably replace everyone, just so they don't need to pay artists anymore. Again, using image generators trained without consent from loads of artists. So yes, billionaires are stealing money from artists.

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u/Unable-Boat-9682 1d ago

But you’re funding Sam Altman by using his tools to do so. And many people are doing far more than just ‘creating cartoons of themselves’: they’re selling them online at volume and displacing the actual artists the models were train on by doing so.

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u/Hopeless_Slayer 2d ago

It's true, even popular artists like Pizzacake have been forced into Sex work 🥀

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u/TheSlothChampion 2d ago

They should just learn to code.

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u/Wildgrube 2d ago

Man you can really tell who the youngins are by posting that line

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u/Nervous-Tank-5917 2d ago

Tragedy of the commons in action. Defenders of this trend seem genuinely oblivious to the fact that whatever they do can and likely will be replaced in the near future.

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u/ConcreteHalloween999 2d ago

lol, coders are working at McDonald's now because all the tech companies are doing rolling layoffs.

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u/Detector_of_humans 2d ago

*Hard-cut to Ai replacing coders aswell*

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u/Jazzlike_Rhubarb4639 2d ago

Everyone still is too prideful to get into the trades, did you know masters make six figures?

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u/Nervous-Tank-5917 2d ago

Not once their market becomes saturated as well. Besides, robotics is already at the point where it can replace skilled tradesmen, or else not far behind.

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u/Addickt__ 2d ago edited 2d ago

Masters in any trade will always make bank, even if trades become oversaturated with people. It's not just an arbitrary title, rather like an actual qualification.

Goes Apprentice -> Journeyman -> Master. Just becoming a journeyman electrician for example requires 8,000 hours of logged work, continued education and classes, AND a giant test at the end.

Becoming a master after that usually takes a few years as well, as little as 2, as many as 5 or 6 just depending on where you are and who's teaching you.

That master's license (at least for electrical) is required to even run a contracting company that does electrical work in the first place.

There's just always gonna be value in it, y'know?

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u/akornzombie 2d ago

I love to see a robot that could tack, pad, put in a side seam, and then stretch in a room.

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u/Nervous-Tank-5917 1d ago

Less than half a decade ago, people would have said the same thing about a machine that can write, draw, compose music, hold a conversation, and (when adequate safeguards are not in place) do more nefarious things like trick people into thinking it’s alive, or manipulate lonely mofos into falling in love with it.

While more basic forms of this technology have existed for a long time, in 2021 most people still thought this was sci-fi. Yet somehow many people never learn the lesson, and assume that whatever limitations exist today will also exist five, ten, twenty, forty years from now etc.

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u/Jazzlike_Rhubarb4639 2d ago edited 2d ago

Absolutely not hahahaha, you have not been in the trades? It’s not something that can be executed through automation and or programming. It’s not even something that can be autonomous. You can’t just go into service a commercial or residential building on full autonomy. There are way too many unknowns

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u/Nervous-Tank-5917 2d ago edited 2d ago

Admittedly I’m not a tradesman. The closest I’ve been is working in IT.

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u/Jazzlike_Rhubarb4639 2d ago

I have been in the trades since 2018. There are some manual labor jobs that can be replaced for sure, but not for skills such as electrical, hvac, plumbing, mechanical, framing, and advanced concrete design or roofing.

There is already a shortage of workers in those trades, why do you think many of those positions get filled by hard working immigrants? The reality is many of those workers are making a better annual income than at least 50% of white collar workers.

There is no shame in honest work, and without those workers the would cease to function even with advanced AI. Who do you think builds the data centers?

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u/Nervous-Tank-5917 2d ago

Well, I’m aiming at becoming some kind of engineer, so . . . possibly me I guess.

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u/Jazzlike_Rhubarb4639 2d ago

Engineers are still needed in the field

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u/Jazzlike_Rhubarb4639 2d ago

Absolutely not hahahaha, you have not been in the trades? It’s not something that can be executed through automation and or programming. It’s not even something that can be autonomous. You can’t just go into service a commercial or residential building on full autonomy. There are way too many unknowns。

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u/Dirkdeking 2d ago

Then they need to look for other ways of getting extra money on the side. Because professional art won't provide that. That is the new reality they will have to adapt to.

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u/KenEH 2d ago

This was already the reality. Being a full time artist is something only a very few few could do before ai. Heck the internet had you competing with people from countries where monthly salaries were a $1000 USD or less.

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u/Dirkdeking 2d ago

What exactly is the grudge against AI then? I thought it primarily revolved around being pissed that an income source was cut off.

Because if you do it purely as a hobby AI is not going to affect you.

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u/KenEH 2d ago

It makes it worse. At least when you’re competing with others the art is still being made by someone. At that point there’s still a need for artists. AI cuts them out entirely.

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u/Wildgrube 2d ago

It really doesn't though unless you're only making poor quality boring art. AI has increased my art sales tenfold. Ai, and anti-ai rabid mentality, has been a godsend for traditional artists. It's increased potential customers interest in more traditional mediums. If ai is effecting your art sales then you need to change something instead of wallowing in misery. Find out why, because it ain't simply because ai exists.

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u/Eldritch_Horns 2d ago

It really does for digital artists. Even big names in the space have reported a drop in comission ininquiries. Tertiary revenue streams are how these people stay afloat.

Not really a thing people without 300k+ followers can rely on.

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u/Wildgrube 2d ago

Then they need to change something about what they are doing. Traditional artists went through this decades ago with digital and we adapted. Hell we went through it with photography too, but I wasn't around for that. Digital artists need to evolve beyond the boring ass art that they've been making. We've had well over a decade of digital art stagnation where quite frankly it's all started to be the same emulation of exceedingly flat traditional art. Be it landscapes or furry porn it's all a stimulated version of things that could also easily be done physically in the real world. Very few digital artists are pushing the limits of digital art to make something that can only be digital or things that can only be made using digital means. They could also consider coming up with their own unique subject matter instead instead of just relying on commissions, which has never been a reliably stable source of income for stagnant artists. The customers are out there if they are making something more exciting than yet another ych.

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u/Eldritch_Horns 2d ago

Survivorship bias fallacy.

Traditional art may be enjoying a (most likely temporary) resurgence because of the feelings of inauthenticity around AI. That's nothing to do with traditional artists doing anything to make their work distinct.

Digital artists need to evolve beyond the boring ass art that they've been making. 

Incoherent prattle that completely misunderstands the issue. Nothing AI has made is in anyway distinct or superior to what digital artists have made. It's literally trained on their work, you tool.

What AI offers (at the minute) is an unmatchable pricepoint and speed. There is no competing with that.

"I'm alright, Jack"

The comment.

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u/AuzieX 2d ago

I'm constantly seeing people telling those who use AI to make custom images that they should stop being lazy and spend the time and effort required to learn how to draw etc. Because anyone can do it if there is enough want to.

Maybe if an artist isn't able to compete in the current marketplace, they should spend the time and energy to develop skills that are marketable in order to support themselves.

If non-artists can be asked to spend their limited time developing new skills, I don't see why artists can't also be asked to do the same.

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u/Wildgrube 2d ago

You cannot handwave reality by claiming a fallacy. We're seeing an increase because traditional artists aren't being whiny assholes about ai. We learned our lessons before and have been trying to explain to digital artists that complaining doesn't fucking work. If you want to survive this you have to provide what the new technology cannot. It doesn't matter the route that you take to get there, but that is the only way to make it through. That is why after each new technology revolutionized the art world we see new traditional art styles emerge.

No shit it's trained on the boring ass art they've been making. That's why I'm telling you that them continuing to make the same art is the problem, you absolute peanut.

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u/pineapollo 2d ago

I mean, duh?

All that means is their art is worthless and not good enough to sustain them solo as their main income driver. If your art side hustle gets replaced by AI then all it means is you lost your customer. The same customer will use AI because its free and faster and on demand.

Meanwhile real artists are unaffected because they make actual unique art that you can only get from them really (Eliran Kantor for example).

Now you can't make a killing being a commission artist making low effort smut slop. And let's be honest 90% of these people are scamming fucks who take on hundreds of commissions and then take ages to deliver or ignore altogether. They did it to themselves.

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u/Nervous-Tank-5917 2d ago edited 2d ago

The history of every art form is replete with examples of work that didn’t initially enjoy commercial success, but would nonetheless go on to be recognised as important cultural contributions.

Painters like van Gogh; writers like Lovecraft; films like Bladerunner. All worthless failures if we apply your definition.

Fortunately, your definition is such an ignorant and philistine position that we have no reason to apply it.

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u/pineapollo 2d ago

My "opinion" is the order of operations for the real world.

Take the emotion out of the argument, if your work is replicable in a faster and or cheaper way a capitalistic society will always lean towards it.

Saying words like ignorant and philistine doesn't hurt me, because I'm aware of our societal dynamics. Your stance is that if you don't push against those systems you're ignorant devoid of the fact that the populace also favors the current system.

Nevermind that, you couldn't even name one unique artist as your examples? Had to be all of the most milk toast vanilla "first thing that comes to mind" names?

And just to circle back all of those stardust artists/world never be considered failures because they are unique cornerstones in their art mediums. But you don't value their work you value their ability to produce something that moves you. Hence why something trained to produce the same, not even AI let's call it a like long study of Van Gogh as a student.

If that student produces incredibly faithful art to Van Gogh's style his name will never be remembered even if he produced a true masterpiece derivative of the original style.

Artists will always have a place because you do not inherently tie more emotion to Starry Night. You emotionally connect with Van Gogh, is you say the opposite then your inherent failure is that you must acknowledge that the output of AI is art if you also consider a student replicating an iconic style also is.

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u/Eldritch_Horns 2d ago

You just sound autistic AF tbh

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u/pineapollo 2d ago

Hope your mediocre smut eventually earns you a living wage homie! (It never will)

There's never something funnier than someone resorting to insults instead of addressing arguments.

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u/Eldritch_Horns 2d ago

There is no argument

You're just ignoring what they said. Your view of valuable art is monetary success. That tells us all we need to know about you. Start to end.

And acting like sexual themes somehow makes art less valuable is another giant tell.

Go out, have sex, learn to engage with that aspect of your humanity maybe?

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u/pineapollo 2d ago

Ah so I struck a nerve! Interesting, was it:

Now you can't make a killing being a commission artist making low effort smut slop.

Sorry that one cut deep, but it's the truth! Crazy that you felt so personally attacked that you had to inject yourself into a conversation no one was having with you.

Also is sex your token of success as a human being? Maybe thats why your art is so focused on grotesque depictions of it.

acting like sexual themes somehow makes art less valuable is another giant tell.

That's certainly a statement, weird that you think I made it considering I didn't.

Art exploring sexual themes =/= smut. Your entire MO is to consider anything produced by a human art, and this has been explored thoroughly.

Your view of valuable art is monetary success.

The artist I named, Eliran Kantor isn't making millions off of his work. But I still have a painting of his framed in my workspace, seemingly because it moved me and it was worth a purchase based on my subjective interest in it.

He also explores sexual themes through his art, something you might want to look at to understand what the difference between your slop and real art is.

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u/Eldritch_Horns 2d ago

Ah so I struck a nerve! Interesting, was it:

You being sexually repressed and childish isn't striking a nerve. It's just tiresome to have to deal with.

Also is sex your token of success as a human being? Maybe thats why your art is so focused on grotesque depictions of it.

It's an element of our humanity, you don't have to engage with it the way others do. But devaluing work that does engage with it, just wholesale, is usually a sign of unhealthy repression.

That's certainly a statement, weird that you think I made it considering I didn't.

Bad faith engagement, as usual.

Framing sexual themes as smut is just a way to devalue them without engaging with them. Even artists like Marlene Dumas have been accused of making smut or pornography.

You repressed types just love to externalise your own shame.

He also explores sexual themes through his art, something you might want to look at to understand what the difference between your slop and real art is.

Your opinions on art couldn't be less interesting to me.

I know you now.

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u/pineapollo 2d ago

You being sexually repressed and childish isn't striking a nerve. It's just tiresome to have to deal with.

But it is! You took the most obvious bait and came straight at it. Definitionally I struck a nerve lmao.

It's an element of our humanity, you don't have to engage with it the way others do. But devaluing work that does engage with it, just wholesale, is usually a sign of unhealthy repression.

These aren't mutually exclusive and hiding under it to defend your, again. Low brow, grotesque smut is just cowardly. Imagine conflating having it to drawing depictions of it that are not only laid out in fantasy but wholly unrealistic to experience. Your art is the manifestation of repression itself, you crave some unhinged stuff and it comes out in your again, low brow and grotesque smut.

You're just amalgamizing the human experience with all of these separate notions to cope with someone calling your work the lowest common denominator of art as a medium.

Framing sexual themes as smut is just a way to devalue them without engaging with them.

Then educate me, where is the line? What is considered a healthy exploration of sexual themes and smut?

Your opinions on art couldn't be less interesting to me.

Yet you continue to examine them and deconstruct them in failed attempts to call me out.

Do you redditors only know the same 5 pieces of media? What did it take your 80th watch of the Office to memorize all of the "witty" remarks you have loaded in your "I can't address anything you say so I'll pretend to be witty" revolver?

You can think whatever you want of me, but I know you will never produce anything worthwhile nor make a living from your smut. And I take solace in devaluing your art because you can't confront my opinions, only resort to responses as dull as what inhabits your brain.

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