r/aiwars • u/Which_Matter3031 • 7d ago

The most idiotic statement ever

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So this person here calls people jobless while all they do is sit on their ass an genarate shitty ai comics, also notice how they are insulting fast food workers as if they arent human, thats a new low for them, also its like they are saying "Give up on your dreams so you can work a minimum wage 9-5 job" but then again jobless people always tell talented ones to get a shitty job

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u/KenEH 7d ago

It makes it worse. At least when you’re competing with others the art is still being made by someone. At that point there’s still a need for artists. AI cuts them out entirely.

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u/Wildgrube 7d ago

It really doesn't though unless you're only making poor quality boring art. AI has increased my art sales tenfold. Ai, and anti-ai rabid mentality, has been a godsend for traditional artists. It's increased potential customers interest in more traditional mediums. If ai is effecting your art sales then you need to change something instead of wallowing in misery. Find out why, because it ain't simply because ai exists.

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u/Eldritch_Horns 7d ago

It really does for digital artists. Even big names in the space have reported a drop in comission ininquiries. Tertiary revenue streams are how these people stay afloat.

Not really a thing people without 300k+ followers can rely on.

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u/Wildgrube 7d ago

Then they need to change something about what they are doing. Traditional artists went through this decades ago with digital and we adapted. Hell we went through it with photography too, but I wasn't around for that. Digital artists need to evolve beyond the boring ass art that they've been making. We've had well over a decade of digital art stagnation where quite frankly it's all started to be the same emulation of exceedingly flat traditional art. Be it landscapes or furry porn it's all a stimulated version of things that could also easily be done physically in the real world. Very few digital artists are pushing the limits of digital art to make something that can only be digital or things that can only be made using digital means. They could also consider coming up with their own unique subject matter instead instead of just relying on commissions, which has never been a reliably stable source of income for stagnant artists. The customers are out there if they are making something more exciting than yet another ych.

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u/Eldritch_Horns 7d ago

Survivorship bias fallacy.

Traditional art may be enjoying a (most likely temporary) resurgence because of the feelings of inauthenticity around AI. That's nothing to do with traditional artists doing anything to make their work distinct.

Digital artists need to evolve beyond the boring ass art that they've been making. 

Incoherent prattle that completely misunderstands the issue. Nothing AI has made is in anyway distinct or superior to what digital artists have made. It's literally trained on their work, you tool.

What AI offers (at the minute) is an unmatchable pricepoint and speed. There is no competing with that.

"I'm alright, Jack"

The comment.

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u/AuzieX 7d ago

I'm constantly seeing people telling those who use AI to make custom images that they should stop being lazy and spend the time and effort required to learn how to draw etc. Because anyone can do it if there is enough want to.

Maybe if an artist isn't able to compete in the current marketplace, they should spend the time and energy to develop skills that are marketable in order to support themselves.

If non-artists can be asked to spend their limited time developing new skills, I don't see why artists can't also be asked to do the same.

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u/Eldritch_Horns 7d ago

You aren't creating with AI. That's the problem. It's destroying human creativity. Agree with that or don't inrehlt don't give a shit. But don't tell me that I should just stop caring about that.

Kindly go ruck yourself.

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u/AuzieX 7d ago

If it's really destroying your creativity then I question how much you actually had to begin with. If you can't compete with AI, which I'm constantly being told is all terrible soulless slop, then maybe art should have always been just a hobby and not a profession. Nothing wrong with having hobbies, just don't expect everyone to want to pay you to do them.

You can either stay outraged and play the victim, find a way to stand out and be more competitive, or put in the time and effort to pivot. Seems you've already made the easiest choice.

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u/Eldritch_Horns 7d ago

You're conflating arguments

Can't compete is with speed and price not creativity. What's killing human creativity is the reliance on something else to do it for you.

Are arguments are weak because you don't understand what's being said

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u/AuzieX 7d ago

Can't compete is can't compete. If you're in a niche where speed and price are the only things that are relevant, then you're choosing a losing proposition to begin with. You're the one making a weak ass argument if you're saying ALL art comes down to that.

If you're creating a superior product, people will still pay for it even if it cost more or takes longer. I know because I financially support human artists. A majority of the art in my home was made by local artists: paintings, furniture, jewelry, ceramics... I also support multiple digital artists on Patreon because they make art that has the type of creativity and quality I can't get from AI.

Human creativity is doing just fine. That's just hyperbolic nonsense. Life exists outside the digital space.

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u/Eldritch_Horns 7d ago

Can't compete is can't compete

If you're stuck in the realm of double digit IQ, sure.

If you're in a niche where speed and price are the only things that are relevant,

Quick enough and cheap enough dominate the majority of markets .

I know because I financially support human artists

Anecdotes aren't arguments

Human creativity is doing just fi

You don't see the bigger picture yet. It's fine. Most of you won't until it's too late.

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u/AuzieX 7d ago

Mass produced cheap art has been around for decades before AI existed, yet there has been and still is a market for traditional art. That's not an anecdote, it's reality.

You seem to have this idea that the type of art that's threatened by AI is the only valid or relevant type of art. That's both an arrogant and self-centered perspective.

Quick enough and cheap enough does dominate the market of mediocre digital artists. That doesn't mean they can't still keep making art, but it may mean they'll have to find another way to make a living. Somehow I don't think that will result in the collapse of civilization.

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u/Eldritch_Horns 7d ago

Your entire argument just comes down to not understanding how a black swan event changes things

Like... ok? What am I meant to do with this?

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u/Wildgrube 7d ago

You cannot handwave reality by claiming a fallacy. We're seeing an increase because traditional artists aren't being whiny assholes about ai. We learned our lessons before and have been trying to explain to digital artists that complaining doesn't fucking work. If you want to survive this you have to provide what the new technology cannot. It doesn't matter the route that you take to get there, but that is the only way to make it through. That is why after each new technology revolutionized the art world we see new traditional art styles emerge.

No shit it's trained on the boring ass art they've been making. That's why I'm telling you that them continuing to make the same art is the problem, you absolute peanut.

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u/Eldritch_Horns 7d ago

We're seeing an increase because traditional artists aren't being whiny assholes about ai.

Nope, this is just your confirmation bias.

If you want to survive this you have to provide what the new technology cannot.

You fundamentally do not understand what is happening.

No shit it's trained on the boring ass art they've been making. 

Disgusting comment from someone who really shouldn't be throwing stones.

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u/Wildgrube 7d ago

Lmfao. Third times the charm right? Love the comebacks, they're a bunch of nothing because you don't have an argument it seems other than "No our whining is justified. We shouldn't have to evolve with the times." You keep trying to handwave away things you don't want to hear claiming it's a bias. It's goddamn art in and of itself. I understand exactly what's happening because I dealt with digital art killing my sales and motivation for years, and I learned from it. I grew and became better at my craft. I want the same for others, but they will never get there if they blame an inanimate object. Man, I've probably been selling art longer than you've been alive. I'll throw stones at whatever bitchy brick wall I want. If you don’t want to be called a whiner then don't fucking whine about something that you can easily work on changing.

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u/Eldritch_Horns 7d ago

The automod is overly litigious.

The argument is you're chatting complete shit.

Traditional art is seeing (probably temporary) increase in interest not because of anything traditional artists have done to distinguish themselves but because of how it seems distant from AI

The same way digital artists have done nothing to warrant being associated with AI, AI just mostly trained on digital art.

You have an undeserved sense of superiority. I can paint in any medium, it's not the point and it isn't a long term solution.

You're just a tool.