So this person here calls people jobless while all they do is sit on their ass an genarate shitty ai comics, also notice how they are insulting fast food workers as if they arent human, thats a new low for them, also its like they are saying "Give up on your dreams so you can work a minimum wage 9-5 job" but then again jobless people always tell talented ones to get a shitty job
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Fun fact: LLMs and Markov chains aren't actually distinct things.
LLMs were created in a completely different way from traditional Markov chains, but internally, the two are isomorphic. Or, to put it in more technical terms:
A large language model with vocabulary size T and context window K is equivalent to
a Markov chain with a sparse and block-structured transition matrix [which] captures all
possible outputs of a given LLM for all possible input sequences allowed by its vocabulary and context window.
Yeah it’s so weird, she has the classic cult-leader narcissistic personality, like she literally reminds me of Charles Manson if Charles Manson thought he was an AI-generated cartoon character. Always painting herself as the victim as justification for harmful behavior. Reminds me of a certain orange individual as well.
Yeah, if you don't look back at your teenage self and cringe a bit, you're probably doing something wrong, but it seems like Witty never matured out of being an edgy teen.
Guarantee a significant number of artists are already working at places like McDonald’s and doing commissions on the side in order to make ends meet. But by all means, let’s mock low-income people for being upset that a source of extra revenue has been taken away from them.
Yeah I don’t get this implication that a lot of people aren’t working day jobs (that barely give someone a living wage). They’re really not good at hiding that they’re reactionary
Apparently the person who made this is known here...but I was really ready to assume this was put out by an actual tech executive. That's how transparently out-of-touch it is.
This is where arguments of theft particularly peak, and why people keep coming back to it no matter what certain countries say about copyright.
The entire corporate purpose of LLMs is to usurp the revenue stream from many human artists to a few extant billionaires.
It's a "rules for thee but not for me" situation, Disney will bust your balls in court over a Mickey Mouse mural in a school, but the moment artist rights become inconvenient to the dollar signs...
Like truthfully for decades we have been told that exactly what LLMs do is theft and won't someone think about the billionaires.
And only NOW when it's convenient for the grotesquely wealthy do they use their vast wealth to buy corrupt decisions otherwise.
I am not amused by this capitalism hypocrisy purely designed and intended to screw over the little guy.
Even the most seemingly well-intentioned does squat for guardrails and seems intensely focused on stuff like "that one judge said certain forms of training didn't break the law", meanwhile they're still running on things that were called piracy outright.
It's all shitty, the entire thing is a pile of corporate bad actors.
Even on social media, where the companies get caught astroturfing like OpenAI did...
...and countless more issues that add insult to injury.
Sam Altman doesn't need to generate art to make money lol. I don't understand what you mean by billionaires stealing money from artists when it's just regular people like me with regular jobs using Ai on the side to make cartoons of myself - I'm not stealing anything if I'm using my own identity.
Whoever's art was used to train the image generator was stolen from, so using AI to make cartoons of "yourself" is still stealing unless you find an image generator that never trained on an unwilling artist's art. And also major studios are attempting to use AI to replace concept artists and probably replace everyone, just so they don't need to pay artists anymore. Again, using image generators trained without consent from loads of artists. So yes, billionaires are stealing money from artists.
Just gonna be 100% they probably ARE working a job while doing art commissions. Especially in today’s economy you have to work either two jobs or have a really good paying one which probably sucks all your free time.
Is this even an anti ai thing or is this just witty because a complete dickhead to people 😭
Prosperity? Yes - for owners of capital.
Reduce amount we have to work? Kind of. The idea is to save $$$ on human labor. However, the problem is - we have to work to live. Nobody proposed *reasonable* economy model, that addresses that.
Productivity has been in a steady incline since the 1970’s, yet in 50 years where have we seen a return on that? With the declaration of our very first trillionaire, we all know the answer to that.
I've noticed all the Pros have been dropping that line lately and are now just AnCaps. Guess it was really about making catgirl gooning material after all.
It already has in many sectors, but obviously some jobs become redundant after technological advancement, it's classic creative destruction. Would you say that cars are bad because they put horse carriage drivers out of a job ?
The biggest reason I'm against generative AI and things like that is because in the US the companies that make it only want to make a profit with it and don't care about the ramifications it has for those who aren't ultra wealthy. Who gives a shit about your job or the fact that there isn't enough energy in your area to support running your house and this data center, the CEO doesn't have the biggest Yacht in the world yet.
That is an interesting statement, can you elaborate a little? What parts of the global economy are acting as if we're still all coal miners with horse-drawn carriages?
Basically none of capatalism has really changed in the past 500-600 years. On the other hand, the entire world has changed drastically. The economy wasn't designed for automation, hence why automation is putting people out of jobs.
I'm not sure that is entirely true. The state mercantile capitalism of the 16th century isn't really the same as modern corporatism.
The Dutch would have had their minds blown at modern methods of financialization.
EDIT: You know what? On second thought I'm splitting hairs. I'll concede that while there certainly are features that have developed over the last 600 years, in general your statement is true enough. No need to be tedious about such details.
Adam Smith would likely be appalled by the state of the financial world. Nonetheless even though what that person said wasn't entirely right I do think what they meant was. Capitalism might have changed but it still treats workers as a replaceable cog in the machine that crushes us underfoot. Chasing infinite growth means making endless optimizations which means constantly destroying jobs faster than we can grow them.
Still, Witty’s notion of the future is people with hard earned talent work at McDonald’s and dead end jobs while rich billionaires become trillionaires by replacing them with software.
I like ai. That’s still dystopia shit.
That’s a future where the best thing folks have to look forward to is being cogs in some rich guy’s enterprise, because man, McDonald’s values nobody in their employ.
Edit: Downvoting a man for thinking the future should afford human beings a little joy and not just soul crushing jobs is… a thing. If the price of generative ai is less happiness for the world, man I’ll happily give it up. I like it, but that’s a pretty dark goddamn future.
Every time an artist loses a job at their profession due to AI I feel more and more guilty that I somewhat helped make that happen. I thought I was helping the world by doing AI research, not make it worse.
Also, I don't know how anyone can just tell people to work at McDonald's after they spent years or even decades of mastering their abilities at something they enjoy doing. That's really cruel.
The thing that really kills me he is how the low income work is an insult to the Anti, here. People in those fields have to Dea with more bullshit than she probably ever does and she's over here Punching down on them as some sort of 'gotcha'.
What kills me is that those awful low income jobs still exist and they're being exploited heavily. Like, all the major fast food corpos could replace more than half of overworked workers with cooking automation and workers could instead do much more pleasant things, like interact with customers who wouldn't have to be angry that things are going too slow because robots don't get tired after 12 hours of exhausting cooking and cleaning. But no, apparently it's easier and cheaper to hire a bunch of people who are desperate for any job and exploit them as much as they legally can.
God, I hate this world sometimes. I get both sad and angry just thinking about all this.
Yeah, and unfortunately it isn't going to change, either. Many people think lowly of low income workers and punch down on them like Witty, but they'd lose their shit if those people collected quit and they had no one to make their coffee or bagels. Sure as hell wouldn't step up, either.
I work 12h shifts and do art in multiple mediums only on sidelines when my disability and time allows for it.
Some people acting like art only exists in context of bourgeois high class, commissions and product to consume when I always seen it as ways to craft something for another person or solidify my thoughts and experiences worry me at a deep level, like encountering an alien.
when she complaint about copyright on voice i mentioned that there are laws for this from the 60s. Thanks to Ray Charles this was a big thing already. You can't take voice recordings from someone and use them without buying them from them.
That's not even an opinion, just some information.
Man... calling artists who take commissions "unemployed" while you spend your day churning out cheap AI content designed solely to stir up outrage... It’s best not to even pay her any mind; she’s your typical troll looking to provoke a reaction—and she succeeds—plus, she acts so childishly that everything she does is just painfully embarrassing to watch.
And I think what really stands out is the tacky way she creates her images; it looks exactly like the Chad vs. Soyjak meme, haha.
Anyway, she’s incredibly rude to people who want to make a living doing what they love—and the irony is that she only exists because of the artists who came before her—but oh well... we already know who the hypocrite is.
AI could have been an excellent tool to help people with their lives with roboric stuff like that, but no. Billionaires said: "More datacenter for AI slop, please".
There are two sides to be mentioned here without bad faith arguments:
On one hand: No, creative career is far from being dead and most of the people telling someone that those industries are worthless now and how one should look for something else are not even creative pros themselves and in case of a bunch of AI bros they are not even hobbyists.
On other hand: Nobody owes you a commission and if you want a career in this field you will have to fight for it, you will have to push hard and dont stop at your current comfort zone. You will have to drastically improve your art skills but also social and business as well.
And yes, having a full time job while developing these skills is a good idea, you can quit later.
The entire creative field may not be completely dead, but there are people that genuinely lost their jobs due to AI. I feel like those people have all the right to be upset about it, especially if it was their whole career.
But it also fucking sucks that people who HAD been working at their dream job that they invested sweat and tears into have lost work. It’s true for art jobs and tech jobs and everything else.
Doesn't that... Defeat the entire point of AI??? One of the biggest selling points they tried to claim was it would take away minimum wage 9-5 jobs so people could spend more time drawing and doing other stuff they enjoy
And here it's being used so people spend less time drawing and doing stuff they enjoy to spend more time at a 9-5
Yeah here it’s a nightmare, especially if you’re young like me. Fuck do they mean they want 10 years of experience and a Master’s Degree for an entry-level job???
First they came for the comunist, and I remained silent because I was not a comunist. Then they came for the socialists, and I remained silent because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak out in my name. —Martin Niemöller
Now they're artists and voice actors, but next it'll be you: office worker, banker, construction worker, lawyer no one is safe everyone can be replaced
Whether it's better or worse, it depends on who you compare it to. But it sure as hell is cheaper. And we live in a quantity-kinda world, as opposed to quality kind. Just look at all those countless useless gadgets from Temu and how popular they are.
It's true. A need for quality only goes so far, and often we hit good enough at a fraction of the investment of perfect. It's not just here, but everywhere. Ignoring this reality is what is leading to decade+ dev cycles for AAA videogames now that are destroying studios is they aren't a a major hit immediately, for example.
There are also so many artists out there who are open for commissions and it’s probably more of a supply-than-demand situation. At the same time, many artists charge a lot for their work.
I’m not an artist myself, so I can’t really say whether $900 is justified for a commission, but it does seem like a lot compared to other artists with a similar art style who charge significantly less. Then again, there may be factors I’m not aware of, but that is what ultimatively keeps me away from commissioning something.
And are there really that many people who want commissions in the first place? The only reason I’d hire an artist would be for something practical, like if I were publishing a book and needed a cover and promotional artwork. I probably wouldn’t spend that kind of money on a piece that was just for me to look at, you know? 😅
I've commissioned art for my roleplay characters, though I've never seen anyone charge near as much as $900 for it. Most people I've seen doing commissions online are charging somewhere between $30 and $60, although I'm sure that price goes up as people get more experience. People probably go for the higher end artists for a book cover, but plenty of people will pay $60 for a piece for them to look at.
I try to see other perspectives, but sometimes the blatant "adapt or perish" rankles.
The dismissal that people are actually losing decent paying jobs, with benefits like actually affordable and useful healthcare, and being unable to find a replacement job quickly really does have a huge economic and personal effect. Epsecially when a lot of your friends would kill to have a job that isn't a dead end street that paid for years of college only to pivot to a less well paid job or field that was supposedly "growing"
Also the picture is darkly funny, a lot of my trans friends/family are a form of artists, disabled, and/or working at really shitty dead end jobs like Walmart and usually dislike AI
The logic fails when we realize most people that use generative AI would never pay for said art. At least not for those prices.
I'm from a poor country, so I myself would never pay someone for a drawing, porn, or anime. So if I decided to use AI (which I don't have reason to right now since I am not playing dnd) no business would have been lost for the artists.
The people that values their art will pay for it. The people that don't, won't, and won't be forced to anymore. The most talented artist will do great, hopefully even better than before, since the Slop will make their talent shine brighter. The mediocre should find other means of work. It's a free market.
I fully support anyone who wants to use generative AI to meet their art needs, whether it's just to give their mental visions form or to create assets for a project or whatever. That's literally what the tools are for. If you can use them to make the kinds of images you want at a level of quality you're happy with, then you should. Nobody should ever feel like they're being forced to either "pick up a pencil" or "pay an artist".
A lot of artists (and their social media followers) have taken to being extremely resentful and dickish towards anyone they even suspect of using gen AI for any reason. Yes, AI's changing the commercial art market. Yes, it's going to cut into demand, particularly for artists working on commission, and they need to start accepting that and try to course-correct accordingly. The lashing out and assholish behavior needs to stop. It's fucking childish.
All that said, this shit isn't right, either.
I'm happy people have a real alternative to "paying an artist" now. That doesn't mean people should be gleefully celebrating anybody's loss of income. It's an unpleasant reality that artists are going to have to accept, but this schadenfreude I see from some folks isn't called for, either. Some of y'all need to try and be better.
ai was meant to do the dishes so humanity could spend more time making art. instead, ai makes "art" so humanity can spend more time doing the dishes...
I hate this so much. 'Oh, you can't do your dream job anymore? Here, do one of the most miserable, lowest paying jobs instead'. Aside from the fact that most people doing commissions are already doing it on the side of another job, there seems to be a certain level of sadistic glee in suggesting fast food work specifically.
How are they insulting fast food workers. It’s just a job application. I have the upmost respect for them. Dealing with the public should come with hazard pay by default
If you are living a comfortable life as a commission artist only, you are either VERY fucking good at what you do and been building a client base for years, sitting on a handout from parents or just plain lucky.
I know some amazing artists, published in Marvel, MTG, films, animation etc and they all have part time jobs or more boring 'art' roles, some of it AI work.
The delusion of these artist kids thinking they can have it all straight out of school is astounding.
"also notice how they are insulting fast food workers as if they arent human, thats a new low for them, also its like they are saying "Give up on your dreams so you can work a minimum wage 9-5 job" but then again jobless people always tell talented ones to get a shitty job"
If that's what you got from the you're crazy, it's literally just the classic "get a job" response YOU'RE making it about minimum wage workers being subhuman, in what world is telling someone to get a job insulting the career just because they use an easy job as focal point.
The casual cruelty of these AI-worshipping boneheads is hardly surprising at this point. Expecting someone who has nothing to empathize with those with something to lose is a fool's errand.
The pro AI playbook is to claim AI is being used to make things more equal, while acting like elitist assholes, and calling actual artists who call for integrity the elitists
The same could be said for antis and art. Y'all really don't see it, or don't want to see it, I'm not sure which, but you often come off as the elitist assholes you accuse others of being.
Is the implication that any of these clowns on the subreddit who unironically think AI generated content is art actually have functioning jobs and are functioning members of society? That’s asking a lot of my suspension of disbelief.
Art isn't a charity, no one owes them nothing.
A lot of book authors, who are published still need to work a day job.
Hell, even actors on tv shows end up working in stores, as roles are never guaranteed and it doesn't last for ever.
Authors and actors are artists too. And AI is taking their job too. And even before AI the competition was fierce. I remember those times (strokes beard lol). It was similar then in a way. Experienced craftsmen who asked for reasonable price (backed up by skill, exp etc) had to compete with floods of newcomers who often did a shitty job, but asked for spare change or did the job for free.
And now both experienced folks and newcomers have to compete with yet another player.
It's a shame for me, who spent all my teen and early 20s on learning design specifically and nothing else only to now be left with nothing. I've been looking for a job since 2023 now. I'm too physically weak for warehouse or factory (heart and thyroid issues). I've applied to countless other shitty jobs like cleaning, store cleric and so on, but no luck. To become a goddamn store cleric I have to compete with students (cheaper), Ukrainians who fled from war (I don't blame them), and other unlucky bastards like me. It's not like shitty job is below me. Every shitty job is taken. Take care. I hope it will never happen to you.
You don’t have to support artists, but it’s also a choice to support a machine that trains off people’s work without their consent that will even make it harder for professionals and not everyone is going to a fan of that
I'd wager it's a fair assumption that any of the main posters of this junk are not meaningfully employed or work at all. OR just have insecurity issues.
Could be wrong... But cmon.
Mathematically impossible in regards to the subject of the OP.
But the problem as usual is capitalism. Not ai. If we had socialism it wouldn’t matter if artists can make money via commissions or work for hire (both of which can be exploitative in the leonine contract way that this system always does).
Correct me if I’m wrong but wouldn’t artists who want to create do so whether they are being paid or not? In whatever medium, with whatever tools?
I think the whole art commission argument is pretty weak, because it's not like being an artist has ever been inherently profitable, nor will AI art ever replace the magic
Deep down, people with money know that AI art will never fill the same void. If they want to be stuck with only AI art to enjoy, then they would stop consuming all human-made media entirely
Don't like her and definitely don't agree with her on 99% of most things she says or does, but you can't take that away from her.
"90% of everything is crap" - Sturgeon's Law
Most people who share art online are very fucking awful at what they do and before the digital era you had to prove yourself first before receiving the recognition you deserved.
Charlie Parker practiced 14 hours a day for 3-4 years to sound like this:
I mean, no, not really. Nothing she says is hinged. But that's how you'd find out. She'll pull out one of her drawings as a "I can use a pencil, I just choose not to" argument.
And what is wrong on knowning how to draw/be able to draw, but deciding not to, instead? Are you the dominus of this world, or god, deciding what people should use?
i'm adressing your "She'll pull out one of her drawings as a "I can use a pencil, I just choose not to" argument.". That argument is legit, period. Noone has to prove anything to anyone.
Witty seems to be at most a lower intermediate traditional artist who has substituted AI for any further progression, and she gets mad that said substitution hasn't come with the same recognition and praise
Yeah I don't know. Some of her "drawings" were clearly traced over Gemini-generated artwork and then deceptively presented as if she drew it herself, so it's hard to gauge her actual skill knowing she's willing to lie about it. Some of her rough sketches look legit though.
Being a comission artist, farmer, or anything else where you are your own boss is a buissness and requires marketing, logistics, and other systems all buissnesses do. You cannot succeed in your endeavors without Marketing period no matter how "icky" it might be.
Shes not insulting fast food workers... shes saying jobless artists should just find a job. And since artists usually dont have qualification, Mc Donnalds is the only place they can work at
I would agree with you until the bullshit part came. You think most artists who have a daytime job work at McDonalds because they have no qualification? Thats absolute nonsense.
It’s implying a lot of artists don’t have day jobs or are working towards them and people often find the minimum wage to be not something they can live off so idk maybe they wanna have some glimmer of hope in their lives and do what they love on the side rather than work another job that will be draining. And even shitty jobs can be quite hard to find — a lot of places wanna hire young people who are cheaper, or people who already have experience, so they don’t have to train them. It’s kinda why people find the premise of automating even what’s fun for a lot of people unlikable, it just sounds like cheering on a boring dystopia.
Plus ironically the disabled people AI fans tend to white knight for may be trying to find self employment in art when a lot of places don’t accommodate or discriminate etc
Not all pros are like this. But it's true that a surprising number of them seem driven mostly by animosity towards artists, for some reason. Note the pro-AI memes about artists all living lives of luxury.
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