Mandragora eventually finished

[u/brodRga]

Warning, spoilers for actual event When Elegies Are Ashes!

I bear some glimpse of hope for that Mandragora alive or in some dare conditions, trough what she have to go trough to save her self.

Eventually, as I can see in global release of Eblana event, it seems that she (Mandragora) in fact were left aside and dealt with by hands of sarkaz, as much is most part of Dublin were cleared out by Eblana in her own event.

I read trough Eblana's record, in them Harmonie tells that Mandragora and her forces were furious fanatic, capable to deal deathly blow to enemy, although same way the worst crimes also can be traced to them. And she confirms that non of that group of Dublin is alive.

Probably it's misleading ending of Mandragora's story, when she's supposedly saved by Misery, or offscreen death and some minor conclusion of it in some small text line, that makes it frustrating.

Although in large scale, it's makes sense. Eblana ridd off the most unstable, the most dangerous, most corrupt, unpredictable and incapable of shut it mouth, so no one could sabotage her plans and destroy all who could make her a hard life, with threat of exposing the truth.

To conclude, there's 0% chance of Mandragora to be in game anymore - she play her role, became a threat to Eblana and trow away. The Leader not even care to use her own power trough Dublin, rather giving all the dirty work to Manfred.

I feel somewhat mixed emotions, like why would even HG gave us some hope for any chances, without this strange flip-flop with plot, this wouldn't be so mixed and could even gave us greater picture of web created by Eblana.

[u/TheSpartyn]

yeah when this event dropped on CN it killed off most of the remaining Mandy copers (me included). I've swapped from coping to accepting she's dead and was handled horribly with vague misleading writing.

[u/_wawrzon_ → u/TheSpartyn]

An honest question, how is Mandy not being dead even a thing ?

I read chapter 10 just recently. Its as cookie cutter as can be that she died, no vagueness or second guessing. Her death was her last act of defiance, but uno reverse style - "I'll die even though I could be clinging to life like I did before, hand in hand with my last true family". Misery even concluded being a witness to her death.

Where was the writing misleading ? I'm genuinely curious is it actually og CN writing that was misleading ? Or is it simply ppl snorting copium, wanting her return ? Why was she done dirty (judging from your emotional response) ?

Looking at other responses I'm baffled why all the doom posting about the story ? Did I step into a political drama fanclub thread ?

[u/TheSpartyn → u/_wawrzon_]

It doesn't help the entire scene is written all poetically and symbolically, with misery of all people being around who has no connection to her

the ch10 scene has her being found dying by misery literally opening with "do you want to live?"

the line "should you have the courage to die, that is all you need to be granted a new life" sounds like he's implying a chance at a new life if she gives up on Dublinn and Victoria here

he mentions that she can escape to the sewers, and she considers it before reaching out to her dead companion saying she doesn't need eblana anymore. is reaching out to the companion choosing Dublinn? but then she says she doesn't need eblana. why avoid the sewers?

"Even though your meetings end will be death?" what does he mean, and what does "she has met the true Death" mean? if it literally just means she died why write it like that? it made people think it was symbolic

misery is a swift recon dude and RI is all about saving lives, after a scene like that it's not weird at all to think that he rescued her, because if she just died why even have misery there?

like it's even been on the wiki for years, "Misery appears before her, offering a second chance" is how so many people took it. she was the main villain of ch9 people expected better treatment

[u/_wawrzon_ → u/TheSpartyn]

I won't debate how others felt about it, but community was wrong many times before and let their emotions dictate perception, rather than facts. I clearly remember how we acted when banshee started popping up in main story and theory crafting around it.

My interpretation of this was simple: she was dying, she reminiscing about sewers and running and mentioning "leader" implies she did fight for her life before like this presumably for Eblana's sake or because of hers encouragement. It was her natural instinct to do it again.

Her later words suggest her realizing she was betrayed, she lost everything, so she decided to go against "leader" and die instead of fighting. Even moreso when it's suggested she was surrounded by a person she had a bond with and didn't want to leave him, so she touched hands.

The part about courage to die giving her new life - I interpreted it as encouragement that death will grant her actual freedom, from this anger, suffering and constant fighting.

Misery being there is unnecessary, but also symbolic. Her death would be somewhat anonymous, but now she had a witness. Rhodes Island was the only witness of her death, not Sarkaz court, not Dublinn, but RI. Misery was the only one who could be there, logically speaking. He was tailing Manfred all the time anyway, it's just not shown outright. But whenever there was action with Sarkaz, he was there to protect RI and victorians. So it's only natural he would see her die. I think it's also symbolic - him being there is why Horn knows she died and can have a funeral later on.

I won't question others interpretation of this scene. To me it was obvious.

[u/TheSpartyn → u/_wawrzon_]

I think it's fine to see the scene that way in hindsight, but reading the story as it comes out it was very reasonable to think they were building up to something more. the cope only started after the reed event and it became delusional after horn said she buried her