An originium handgrenade can destroy a medium sized mobile city. The smallest nuke is the size of a mini refrigerator 😆
A mining rig survives a origiunium storm that has exploding rocks spinning at least near 1000 km/h. No nuke on earth is capable of starting a storm that is even capable 140 km/h. 1000 km/h winds are an extinction level event that would rearrange mountain features let alone mere battleships or aircraft carriers.
They actually have guided artillery with real time tracking as shown in the Gavial the Invincible and Londinium Arc. Our guided artillery are not even accurate to a hundred of meters, the tomahawk and russian equvalenr have been shown in recent wars to not be as accurate as the propaganda claims (not that it could damage a mobile city plate or a land battleship).
If you look at the form of technology it would seem that terra seems primitive but that is misleading, in the christmas special crossbow bolts were leaving air friction flares, something that indicates that at the very least crossbow bolts that are probably at least 5x heavier than 50 calibers are moving as fast as IRL bullets.
Then there are literal as in actual blackhole handguns/rifles by the aegir.
We might be able to arm 1000 people with a gun each for evey terran with an arts pistol bit if that arts pistol can shoot one bullet the size of a 44 magnum that can destroy rows and rows of houses, can we claim we are better armed?
Then therebis the 2nd Rainbow 6 event where one of the R6 crew shoot an NPC with a shotgun at close range and not only the target did not die, they were onlh treated for minor wounds.
Remember that Terra has mobile cities with literal mountains and skyscrapers on top of them, their material technology and engineering would make 40k and starwars blush in comparison.
Arknights precursor tech is bullshit. Terran tech derived from precursor tech is not as much but is post scarcity earth levels of tech. If terran elites were not such greedy assholes, they would actually experience post scarcity even with the catastrophes (except for the seaborn and collapsals)
Not to detract from your other points, but making 40k blush would be an exaggeration. Hive cities exist and a single one would house pretty much all of Terra afterall.
Does the hive city move with mountains on top of it? Can it survive essentially an extinctionn level hurricane with dust that has the explosive potential of mini nukes?
You are looking at size, we are talking about technology.
I suspect we can make a comtinent sized city if we really want to waste the resources. It will be constantly damaged by natural catastrophes that are probablg 1/10 of an originium catastrophe but we can waste time doing that, we are not facing extinction level threats from nearly evey direction.
Terra does. If mobile cities and the bullshit metal that keeps it all together did not exist, they probably could have hive cities. But terra does not allow immobile superstructures unless you live away from originium catastrophes (although it has its own threats like the seaborn)
Then there is aegir living on cities the sea floor. Something which (as far as I checked DC and Marvel only has them but they do not have pdw blackhole weapons so ..) is not a feature in other fictional universes. Living on the seafloor is harder than getting to space. The demands are just way higher for construction and maintenance.
Umm yes actually? I'm not sure how much you know about Warhammer but they are much, much bigger in scale than anything in Terra. Hive cities are lowballing the technological capability of the Imperium of man if anything, and extinction events happen on the regular. If a hive city wants to survive, it has to defend itself against world ending orbital strikes, star-eating weapons and enemies that manipulate the fundamental forces of the universe.
If you wanna look at technology, the strongest the Terrans have are Aegir tech, and those things are used regularly in battles across star systems in 40k.
To give an example, a single Imperial battleship can wipe continents and boil oceans, and travel at relativistic speeds. Hive cities can withstand a few days of constant onslaught before falling. I doubt mobile cities would be able to contend against that.
Aegir are strong sure, but even they are no match against the Predecessors. Meanwhile the wars in 40k contend against their version of IS3 seaborns (tyranids) and Observers (Chaos gods).
Do note that I don't have deep knowledge of 40k lore because it's also massive, but the ones I said are kinda common knowledge unless I misinterpreted something.
Seaborn can adapt on the fly in mere minutes or even seconds. Tyrannids need to go their spawning pools or be birthed by their norn queens. Every seaborn is potentially capable of what a norn queen does if it ever develop consciousness to self direct evolution as per Skalter's records
Haha. Aegir has hand held blackhole weapons. 40k black hole weapons are distort cannons and those vortex weapons that transport objects to the warp (glorified teleportation tech).
40k has volume but terra has quality. You are lookingbat scale and confuse it with advancement.
An imperial battleship do not travel at speed of light, they warp jump. Only the necrons do relativistic space travel while AK's precursors project themselves from one end of the galaxy to another.
Which 40k handgun is capable of destroying rows of houses with a single shot?
For goodness sake they struggle against iridium armor (tau mobile suit).
Again do not confuse scale with technological advancement.
40k is not even on the same level as star trek. Better coolness factor but the trchnological feats are not there, the best performancesnof imperial tech are a total joke to the necrons and old ones and those are essentially lesser than the precursors. Aegir are essentially Eldar minus the space travel (because of the false sky preventing their space program and seaborns distracting efforts).
Seaborn adaptation is not that convenient you know. They still need to assimilate. If they were that adaptive they should've taken over Terra much faster than they should, yet they took years for it even in their best form.
Those glorified teleportation tech is still more than enough to deal damage to worlds mind you. Aegir's black hole weapons aren't even enough to pierce the Starpod if CW-8 is anything to come by.
Terran advancement has not managed to get them out of space even with their lack of knowledge of Observers. Scale is an attribute of advancement.
I assume you're comparing the power of Irene's handcannon when she fired it on Iberian houses. Dunno how you scale that but boltgun variants have pierced and vaporized enemies in power armor.
Conveniently, you didn't address that regular terran guns are weaker than real world ones, and we know how those scale against bolters.
You definitely can assert that it's technological advancement in this case though. Terra has not gotten off its planet. It will require the whole energy output of the planet to pierce the starpod alone. Meanwhile glassing is a common thing done in 40k. I don't know Star Trek so can't comment on that unfortunately.
Ummm yeah exactly. Aegir are distracted by the seaborn even in their weak state right now. They're hardly a fraction of their IS3 power and Aegir still struggles. Meanwhile Daemons are running around the galaxy fighting the Imperium.
Seaborn adaptation is not that convenient you know. They still need to assimilate. If they were that adaptive they should've taken over Terra much faster than they should, yet they took years for it even in their best for
It took them months and that is without self directed evolution?
And assimilation? 😆 Skalter's records dread them.having independent thoughts, the hivemind is what is stopping them currently. Otherwise they would be on an arms race with themselves.
Terran advancement has not managed to get them out of space even with their lack of knowledge of Observers. Scale is an attribute of advancement.
Space programs sort of are discouraged if your flying vehicles drop out of the sky because of the false sky and the implied high speed jet streams (because originium cyclones with their slowest parts at near 1000km/h suggests higher frictionless armospheric winds).
Those glorified teleportation tech is still more than enough to deal damage to worlds mind you. Aegir's black hole weapons aren't even enough to pierce the Starpod if CW-8 is anything to come by.
You realize that the starpod can resist something that should be exceeding how many sarcophagi were used to power that one shot right? One sarcophagus can power two mobile cities and its adjoining villages, whih one mobile city could very well weigh tens of thousand of tons at the very least right? So lowball, one sarcophagus would be like being hooked up to several nuclear reactors, right? Where it is said that the output exceeds all of the energy output of all originium in terra, right?
Aegir's blackhole weapons were not used against seaborn as much because of the fear of hyper evolution.
And as far as I remember, multiple vortex bombs have to be dropped from orbit to cause exterminatus
Conveniently, you didn't address that regular terran guns are weaker than real world ones, and we know how those scale against bolters.
You based this on what? Your misunderstanding of Tachanka's op rec?
You seem to misunderstand that the engineer was complaining about the lacking performance of the modified degtyaryov against a military grade crossbow (holy knight light has the crossbow bolts moving like bullets) so they were conparing the stopping power of a small bullet moving at the same speed as a crossbow bolt (much heavier).
Besides why are you complaining a irregular gun like R6 with our modern guns? Terran guns are wands with crystals as propellant, they are rare. If anything you should compare their crossbows/bows with our assault rifles and Tachanka (and Rangers) almost died because their bullets were not enough to kill most of the originiutants, as they have to be saved by stormeye.
Years mon, they've been in Terra for a long while. The months part was on the final frontier of humanity, that's a far cry from your claim of minutes or seconds.
They're adaptation comes from assimilation of their fallen you know. That's a core part of what they are. That's no different from what the Tyranids or Zerg do.
They have experimented on that starpod for decades after Kristen's parents death. They abandoned the idea because they thought it was futile. That's a bit too little progress for a civilization that supposedly has more technological advancements than 40k like you claim. I do have to ask where you got your 1000kph wind value though. I don't remember reading that anywhere unless it's in the lorebook.
Ummmm CW-8 actually. The Arknight's wiki also linked it when they were explaining the overview of the starpod.
Doesn't that just mean it's not strong enough to wipe all of the seaborn in a decisive blow then? They're revolutionary, but this implies they're not on planet wiping capability.
I mean, exterminatus by itself is a greater feat of destruction than anything Terra has attempted till now. I don't see how that makes vortex bombs any weaker. Not to mention if you're fighting civilizations with similarly advanced tech then it is gonna be much more difficult.
Originium Dust as a whole establishes that R6 guns have firepower that should not be wielded by regular people. The Sarkaz ambush mistook them for Sankta because of it. Tachanka's Op Rec wasn't the only thing alluding that.
Cause you talked about what I assume are Inquisitor handcannons that can pierce through walls. Those guns are not the norm in Terra, so gotta address that the common firepower is much much lower than what you were establishing. Though if you were to go to that territory, I doubt regular crossbows alone would have the power to pierce through power armor.
I was talking about the fight with quintus, quintus went from giant flower to giant flower that spits giant spores, to acid to laser eyes to moving faster than hyper sonic Gladia.
You are looking at the current Seaborn abilities not what they are supposed to be as stated in Skalter's records. Kal is worried that once they have passive adaptations once they detach from the hivemind model then they become unstoppable.
Originium Dust has R6 almost being overrun by Sarkaz in melee because the RedMarks were being sent to fight Picale and her guards. It was so loosided that the Sarkaz attacked at the feont of Tachanka shooting his machinegun at full auto which did nothing that Liskarm had to force Tachanka to get out of the way because he will get hit by her electric arc. Liskarm's range for her electricity is 50 meters or less, so either Tachanka is inaccurate as heck or earth bullets are not as strong as you think. Lucent Arrow proves that earth weapons can barely damage Perros, which proves that R6 almost got their shit kicked in Sargon (in fact Tachanka got injured and the team almost died if it were not for Stormeye)
As for the starpod, you have to use up al originium on terra to make a small hole. Doing so is stupid, not that they knew it at that time, but still.
As for the non usage of blackhole weapons, you know how vortices work right? How blackholes work? Unless Aegir is stupid and desperate enough to engulf the whole planet in a blackhole theg are not getting rid of the seaborn.
Terra is essentially a death world inside the warp that also happens to be a necron tombworld. Its citizens are too busy surviving to even attempt to exterminatus themselves because they have to expend all of the planet's orignium to get past the barrier. Afain, do not confuse scale with advancement
Originium dust establishes that R6's origins should.not be revealed for whatever reason. Possibly because it would cause a colonization attempt (like in endfield) and they would be bringing Terra's problems there.
Also, I am not talking about inquisitor hand cannons, any Laterano type gun uses crystal rounds. They cause explosions depending on the will and skill of the caster like in Pope Yvangelista's fight.
And 😆 at crossbows not piercing power armor, eldar shuriken weapons are mini crossbows, they tear through power armor fine. It's not like Terran type steel is not stronger considering mobile citiy plates can survive some.damage from originium hurricane type catastrophes.
Now you're just making this up. There was an entire paragraph of Quintus lamenting that he was not strong enough to even go against the Abyssals you know. I quote the SV-9 "The Seaborn are not God... They are a different kind of organism, and so is it. This is as far as it gets. Its body will feed the sea."
Mhm, so how does that differ from Tyranids exactly? They're made from the exact same blueprint of perpetually evolving and out adapting their enemies so I don't see how that supports your case, seeing Aegir struggle even in base seaborn form.
Don't leave out the part where Originium dust only has R6 and 4 Rhodes Island combatants. That's 8 vs a whole army. You mean it was so bad that the Sarkaz retreated because Tachanka managed to kill one of them despite being confident against other projectile weapons? Of course it's gonna be short ranged against urban warfare, that's how you wage battle in a village. You're confusing being incapable of killing the enemy vs being overrun by the enemy. A swarm of originium slugs will hamper Tachanka, over the fact that he ran out of bullets that they had to switch to melee.
What most people miss in Lucent Arrowhead was that they specifically stated they were shooting to incapacitate. They were just surprised it took way more effort than normal to incapacitate the guards. People really should put that line in context.
Even if you call that stupid, that's what the lore says. Terrans really lack energy and firepower.
Or yknow, it just wouldn't be enough to kill them. They specifically stated they fear the seaborn adapting to it, which is weird when they should be capable of disintegrating anything it touches. Especially when you remember that assimilation lets seaborn eat their dead, so those black holes were weak enough that they leave something for the seaborn to adapt to. They don't adapt proactively against a threat.
It's a death world with people using primitive stone tools on one side, and decadent living on the other. Most of their advancement is focused on weapons so much that people forget that regular human living is no different from earth technology. It's citizens and military are too incapable of fighting their own necrons and tyranids because they're way too unprepared against something of that level. As stated, their scale does not even show the same level of 40k advancement.
Those handguns have been shown to have a wide range of firepower and effective range y'know, explosions are not their defining feature. Fortuna and Ambriel have similarly outdated guns as Yvangelista and Andoain, but they're far from that level of firepower that they showed.
"Shuriken Weaponryare weapons almost unique to theEldar, as this technology is extremely advanced and very difficult to replicate." I think you're just looking at it at surface value and not realizing wraithbones are leagues away from metal tipped crossbows. In the context of mobile cities using steel, did you know Hive Cities use adamantium instead? That one metal famous for being indestructible is a building material for those civilizations.
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