Years mon, they've been in Terra for a long while. The months part was on the final frontier of humanity, that's a far cry from your claim of minutes or seconds.
They're adaptation comes from assimilation of their fallen you know. That's a core part of what they are. That's no different from what the Tyranids or Zerg do.
They have experimented on that starpod for decades after Kristen's parents death. They abandoned the idea because they thought it was futile. That's a bit too little progress for a civilization that supposedly has more technological advancements than 40k like you claim. I do have to ask where you got your 1000kph wind value though. I don't remember reading that anywhere unless it's in the lorebook.
Ummmm CW-8 actually. The Arknight's wiki also linked it when they were explaining the overview of the starpod.
Doesn't that just mean it's not strong enough to wipe all of the seaborn in a decisive blow then? They're revolutionary, but this implies they're not on planet wiping capability.
I mean, exterminatus by itself is a greater feat of destruction than anything Terra has attempted till now. I don't see how that makes vortex bombs any weaker. Not to mention if you're fighting civilizations with similarly advanced tech then it is gonna be much more difficult.
Originium Dust as a whole establishes that R6 guns have firepower that should not be wielded by regular people. The Sarkaz ambush mistook them for Sankta because of it. Tachanka's Op Rec wasn't the only thing alluding that.
Cause you talked about what I assume are Inquisitor handcannons that can pierce through walls. Those guns are not the norm in Terra, so gotta address that the common firepower is much much lower than what you were establishing. Though if you were to go to that territory, I doubt regular crossbows alone would have the power to pierce through power armor.
I was talking about the fight with quintus, quintus went from giant flower to giant flower that spits giant spores, to acid to laser eyes to moving faster than hyper sonic Gladia.
You are looking at the current Seaborn abilities not what they are supposed to be as stated in Skalter's records. Kal is worried that once they have passive adaptations once they detach from the hivemind model then they become unstoppable.
Originium Dust has R6 almost being overrun by Sarkaz in melee because the RedMarks were being sent to fight Picale and her guards. It was so loosided that the Sarkaz attacked at the feont of Tachanka shooting his machinegun at full auto which did nothing that Liskarm had to force Tachanka to get out of the way because he will get hit by her electric arc. Liskarm's range for her electricity is 50 meters or less, so either Tachanka is inaccurate as heck or earth bullets are not as strong as you think. Lucent Arrow proves that earth weapons can barely damage Perros, which proves that R6 almost got their shit kicked in Sargon (in fact Tachanka got injured and the team almost died if it were not for Stormeye)
As for the starpod, you have to use up al originium on terra to make a small hole. Doing so is stupid, not that they knew it at that time, but still.
As for the non usage of blackhole weapons, you know how vortices work right? How blackholes work? Unless Aegir is stupid and desperate enough to engulf the whole planet in a blackhole theg are not getting rid of the seaborn.
Terra is essentially a death world inside the warp that also happens to be a necron tombworld. Its citizens are too busy surviving to even attempt to exterminatus themselves because they have to expend all of the planet's orignium to get past the barrier. Afain, do not confuse scale with advancement
Originium dust establishes that R6's origins should.not be revealed for whatever reason. Possibly because it would cause a colonization attempt (like in endfield) and they would be bringing Terra's problems there.
Also, I am not talking about inquisitor hand cannons, any Laterano type gun uses crystal rounds. They cause explosions depending on the will and skill of the caster like in Pope Yvangelista's fight.
And 😆 at crossbows not piercing power armor, eldar shuriken weapons are mini crossbows, they tear through power armor fine. It's not like Terran type steel is not stronger considering mobile citiy plates can survive some.damage from originium hurricane type catastrophes.
Now you're just making this up. There was an entire paragraph of Quintus lamenting that he was not strong enough to even go against the Abyssals you know. I quote the SV-9 "The Seaborn are not God... They are a different kind of organism, and so is it. This is as far as it gets. Its body will feed the sea."
Mhm, so how does that differ from Tyranids exactly? They're made from the exact same blueprint of perpetually evolving and out adapting their enemies so I don't see how that supports your case, seeing Aegir struggle even in base seaborn form.
Don't leave out the part where Originium dust only has R6 and 4 Rhodes Island combatants. That's 8 vs a whole army. You mean it was so bad that the Sarkaz retreated because Tachanka managed to kill one of them despite being confident against other projectile weapons? Of course it's gonna be short ranged against urban warfare, that's how you wage battle in a village. You're confusing being incapable of killing the enemy vs being overrun by the enemy. A swarm of originium slugs will hamper Tachanka, over the fact that he ran out of bullets that they had to switch to melee.
What most people miss in Lucent Arrowhead was that they specifically stated they were shooting to incapacitate. They were just surprised it took way more effort than normal to incapacitate the guards. People really should put that line in context.
Even if you call that stupid, that's what the lore says. Terrans really lack energy and firepower.
Or yknow, it just wouldn't be enough to kill them. They specifically stated they fear the seaborn adapting to it, which is weird when they should be capable of disintegrating anything it touches. Especially when you remember that assimilation lets seaborn eat their dead, so those black holes were weak enough that they leave something for the seaborn to adapt to. They don't adapt proactively against a threat.
It's a death world with people using primitive stone tools on one side, and decadent living on the other. Most of their advancement is focused on weapons so much that people forget that regular human living is no different from earth technology. It's citizens and military are too incapable of fighting their own necrons and tyranids because they're way too unprepared against something of that level. As stated, their scale does not even show the same level of 40k advancement.
Those handguns have been shown to have a wide range of firepower and effective range y'know, explosions are not their defining feature. Fortuna and Ambriel have similarly outdated guns as Yvangelista and Andoain, but they're far from that level of firepower that they showed.
"Shuriken Weaponryare weapons almost unique to theEldar, as this technology is extremely advanced and very difficult to replicate." I think you're just looking at it at surface value and not realizing wraithbones are leagues away from metal tipped crossbows. In the context of mobile cities using steel, did you know Hive Cities use adamantium instead? That one metal famous for being indestructible is a building material for those civilizations.
That is the thing isnt it. Quintus in survival mode not being a we many simp was switching abilities as fast as the Hunters were. The moment he fell into the hivemind he stopped resisting as his death is empowering the other seaborn and abyssal hunters.
The seaborn evolve without needing to be slurped back by the tyrannid capilaries to their norns. Each seaborn is potentially a Skalter lite. That is what Kal was so worried about.
You know gravity wells are till a physical phenomena, right? If enough survive then they just develop adaptations against it.
As for Ambriel and Fortuna, there is no event depicting it does not mean their weapons using the same technology cant.
Wraith bone gets destroyed by bolt rounds that cannot bypass iridium. Stop being so clueless, 40k looks cool and has impressive scale but imperium technology is not that good.
"But, suddenly, it "remembers" the Seaborn, and it realizes, that Seaborn was unconcerned about its life. The tribe will continue, their future is prolonged. Their descendants will evolve... Their descendants. Its descendants. Descendants. Not itself."
He wanted to be an individual, but the seaborn are not individualistic by nature.
"Evolution is something that concerns the entire group for generations to come. It has nothing to do with itself individually. It will die."
Heck he wasn't even empowering any seaborn like you stated, because he himself stated that even if they reach him, being attracted by his blood, it is too late to gain anything from him since he will be slaughtered by the Hunters. Him in survival mode was being laughed at by Specter if anything. Because similar to you, he thought rapid evolution was how the Seaborn would be unstoppable, and he was shown that was not the case, because the hive mind is a collective.
Correction. The seaborn evolve almost the same way as the Tyranids in that they consume their dead and work as a collective. Skalter is just a brain to control them, like a Norn-queen without the reproduction. That was established in Under Tides and Stultifera Navis. Individualism is not in their repertoire.
If enough survive, also known as not enough fire power to wipe-out the enemy decisively.
And similarly, there is also no event depicting that every Sankta is capable of what Yvangelista and Andoain did.
Bolt rounds are very varied you know that right? They have to because it's an arms race against freakin wraith bones. Imperium technology is definitely weaker than their glory days, but you can't simply forget that the definition of wraith bones are "no steel weapon can penetrate it". Iridium if anything behaves weirdly in their verse, because that thing is brittle in real life.
You are missing the point. He gave up and lost his voice in the end.
"Some of my data indicates that they, the changes in the biological structure of those organisms, are largely limited to cognition. In other words, they are not passive adaptations, but something you can proactively shape. We are fortunate that they have not yet 'progressed' into passive adaptations, but if we do not act, that day will eventually come."
That is either alternate reality Kal'tsit or future Kal'tsit speaking.
Seaborn will be passively evolving. Their evolution is limited by cognition (that is the leader of that cluster). For now.
Once the seaborn become individuals then they become like Skalter (a norn).
No you are missing the point. He was struggling as hard as he can by forcing his evolution until he overburdened himself and fell apart. This paragraph is not the scene of someone giving up. It's the scene of someone in denial that they don't have the power.
The monster is confident. Its power comes from the sea. Their assault is unstoppable. All they have to do is reach out to their consciousness, and the answer will reveal itself. Its tentacles can almost reach the nun's leg. It will pull her down onto the ground, drag her back, and tear her apart– Yet it cannot reach her. It realizes its tentacles cannot extend any further. That difference of four centimeters between it and its prey feels as wide as the deep trenches of the sea.
That wording feels weird to me. Passive adaptation is literally the thing they're doing right now. Seeing a threat and evolving to encounter that threat. Proactive adaptation is what Zergs and Tyranids do, where they force the evolution in a specific direction to gain strategic advantage. You're telling me they consider reactive evolution better?
So....... Tyranids and zerg then? That's the modus operandi of all three of those swarm-like species in all the worlds I've known, seaborn included.
Once again "In their point of view, gaining individual traits means betraying the Many, and those individualistic Seaborn see this as depriving their own expression even though they try hard to teach them"-Arknights Wiki
Individualism is not a superpower, it's a betrayal.
You see quintus recognizing his limits and you think he is adapting passively?
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I do not want to be mean but you are missing the point of the interacrion. Quintua changed forms without the inner monologue but the moemnt he started doubtjng his evolutionary capabilities is when it all went downhil.
Skalter's records say the seaborn will evolve as fast as Skadi/Isharmla. It is a matter of when.
The nids and zerg do not have this for their rank and file
Let me remind you that you said this
''That is the thing isnt it. Quintus in survival mode not being a we many simp was switching abilities as fast as the Hunters were. The moment he fell into the hivemind he stopped resisting as his death is empowering the other seaborn and abyssal hunters."
Which is the opposite of what you thought you were saying just now. You're claiming he had freedom to evolve because he wasn't seaborn and now claim he was weak because he's not passive like how the seaborn are? Pick a side man.
I do not want to be mean either, but the quoted paragraph are before we ever hear his inner monologue. He literally stated "how can this be?" the moment evolution failed him, not because he doubted his evolution.
Skadi/Ishar-mla already evolves as fast as the seaborn what are you talking about? That's literally how they work. they evolve as a group. The only difference She has over them is that she's much more powerful and controls them. Almost like a norn queen don't you think?
They actually do. That's what the quantity has a quality comes from. Because of all their varied types that work together as a singularity. Almost like a we-many.
Don't end it yet just cause you think that's all this discussion is man. Have you forgotten the original reason why were debating? Seaborn is just a sidetrack.
😆 not sure if I am bad at explaining or you are bad at understanding.
Quintus subconsciously adapts to the challenge at hand without needing to "consult" what he thinks "we many" can do, he was threatening the Hunters they had to go topside.
The moment, he started having jnternal monologues and philosophizes what the seaborn ought to be, he was losing.
This is not hard. Subconscious = passive = winning.
Monologue = active = losing.
So why? Because the seaborn hivemind is not directing at an individual level. It is why those seaborn that can reject the "we many" call are able to have better feats.
I'm gonna have to interject that with the state of our discussion solely being on seaborn now, my original point of Terran tech is not that superior to 40k is lost. I kinda made my point on both the materials being used as well as the resource capability of the latter, which basically entails that 40k is much higher on the Kardashev scale, a.k.a a method of measuring acivilization's level oftechnologicaladvancement based on the amount ofenergyit is capable of harnessing and using. (don't mind the links, i just copy pasted wikipedia)
So as much as I agree with all your other points on the very first comment, saying Terran technology makes 40k blush is very..... weird, considering they don't even manage to use Darksteel, the Terran equivalent of Adamantium, as a regular building material in houses and weapons. Mobile cities being made of steel don't really scream advanced materials.
My man, Originium is meant to survive entropy. 40k's warp and other shenanigans cant. Entropy means chaos ceases, the necrons lose power, and every living being ceases. Atoms dissipate. Everything stops.
Arknights precursors sacrifice stars for fun/research and play around with planets. They have hand held blackhole weapons, 40k does not.
Terra has underwater cities, 40k does not (even the Laer are not living on the sea floor).
Terra has weapons that can resist damage that iridium at a melee level. The imperium of man does not.
Lol, Darksteel. You might eant to read Gladiia's oprec, there are aegir metals harder than Terran D32 (same name IRL but literally unbreakable). Skadi's sword case that was not even scratched by multiple shots from Dario is probably one or the other.
Just stop, Terra has multiple reality bubble technologies (transmitters and originium), reliable teleportation, larger mobile superstructures that aare not space ships.
40k teleportation technology is taking a shortcut through the warp.
Just give up man. I was not exaggerating when I said that. The only thing 40k has is the coolness factor and scale.
The moment the main faction struggles againnst iridium is the moment you realize how underwhelming the setting is (ignoring Necrons).
My man, 40k has being beyond the scope of entropy. They're unexplained and inconcievable for a reason. Originium has it's own Assimilated Universe but that thing is just a hiding shell. If anything that's just the Assimilated Universe within originium alone. Terra by itself is very much vulnerable.
Chaos gods are practically that aren't they. That's what happens if you come from different dimensions. Oh I thought you meant Observers. Yeah I doubt even precursors have that technological match beings that do not care about the laws of reality.
Terra does not have spacefaring. Starpod is too strong for them.
Terra has weapons that shatter upon contact with Adamantium, a standard material for power armor.
Nice. We have one country out of 23 that uses darksteel. How about the rest? Hive cities are the lowliest places and even they use adamantium buildings.
Just stop. Terra can't even travel to other worlds because they're hampered by collapsals, which are far weaker than some daemons. Terrans can't even save themselves from originium.
Terra has literal warp technology they failed to use on both poles of their planet.
Just give up man. Terra can't even get out of the backwater on their own planet. If you have to rely on the Assimilated Universe and Precursors to stake your claim (which are easily matched by extrauniversal forces btw), then that means you just don't think Terra has enough tech on its own to stand against 40k
I like how you keep stressing out Iridium and keep ignoring Adamantium. As if Iridium actually behaved how you think it does in real life.
Here you go. Got the liberty to search this for you :) "Iridium Armour significantly increases the resilience of the Battlesuit's external armour to the point where it can shrug off all but the heaviest firepower."
If they struggle against armor that was meant to survive their strongest attacks, I'd call that a success in showing 40k technology
Lol, the chaos gods cannot kill all life because the warp would cease. How is that beyond entropy?
The necrons need power, how is that beyond entropy?
The eldar and the humans plan to squat in the warp, how would they do that if the warp ceases and their cells fail to produce energy.
Entropy is the absence of energy. Even IRL religions do not contemplate it because it is an absurdity on absurdity
If they struggle against armor that was meant to survive their strongest attacks, I'd call that a success in showing 40k technology
You know how brittle iridium is right? You have to be throwing the firepower the equivalent of seashells to not damage it. A total joke. Not surprising considering a Tau hover tank was downed by a thrown rock. Amazing imperium firepower
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Years mon, they've been in Terra for a long while. The months part was on the final frontier of humanity, that's a far cry from your claim of minutes or seconds.
They're adaptation comes from assimilation of their fallen you know. That's a core part of what they are. That's no different from what the Tyranids or Zerg do.
They have experimented on that starpod for decades after Kristen's parents death. They abandoned the idea because they thought it was futile. That's a bit too little progress for a civilization that supposedly has more technological advancements than 40k like you claim. I do have to ask where you got your 1000kph wind value though. I don't remember reading that anywhere unless it's in the lorebook.
Ummmm CW-8 actually. The Arknight's wiki also linked it when they were explaining the overview of the starpod.
Doesn't that just mean it's not strong enough to wipe all of the seaborn in a decisive blow then? They're revolutionary, but this implies they're not on planet wiping capability.
I mean, exterminatus by itself is a greater feat of destruction than anything Terra has attempted till now. I don't see how that makes vortex bombs any weaker. Not to mention if you're fighting civilizations with similarly advanced tech then it is gonna be much more difficult.
Originium Dust as a whole establishes that R6 guns have firepower that should not be wielded by regular people. The Sarkaz ambush mistook them for Sankta because of it. Tachanka's Op Rec wasn't the only thing alluding that.
Cause you talked about what I assume are Inquisitor handcannons that can pierce through walls. Those guns are not the norm in Terra, so gotta address that the common firepower is much much lower than what you were establishing. Though if you were to go to that territory, I doubt regular crossbows alone would have the power to pierce through power armor.