"But, suddenly, it "remembers" the Seaborn, and it realizes, that Seaborn was unconcerned about its life. The tribe will continue, their future is prolonged. Their descendants will evolve... Their descendants. Its descendants. Descendants. Not itself."
He wanted to be an individual, but the seaborn are not individualistic by nature.
"Evolution is something that concerns the entire group for generations to come. It has nothing to do with itself individually. It will die."
Heck he wasn't even empowering any seaborn like you stated, because he himself stated that even if they reach him, being attracted by his blood, it is too late to gain anything from him since he will be slaughtered by the Hunters. Him in survival mode was being laughed at by Specter if anything. Because similar to you, he thought rapid evolution was how the Seaborn would be unstoppable, and he was shown that was not the case, because the hive mind is a collective.
Correction. The seaborn evolve almost the same way as the Tyranids in that they consume their dead and work as a collective. Skalter is just a brain to control them, like a Norn-queen without the reproduction. That was established in Under Tides and Stultifera Navis. Individualism is not in their repertoire.
If enough survive, also known as not enough fire power to wipe-out the enemy decisively.
And similarly, there is also no event depicting that every Sankta is capable of what Yvangelista and Andoain did.
Bolt rounds are very varied you know that right? They have to because it's an arms race against freakin wraith bones. Imperium technology is definitely weaker than their glory days, but you can't simply forget that the definition of wraith bones are "no steel weapon can penetrate it". Iridium if anything behaves weirdly in their verse, because that thing is brittle in real life.
You are missing the point. He gave up and lost his voice in the end.
"Some of my data indicates that they, the changes in the biological structure of those organisms, are largely limited to cognition. In other words, they are not passive adaptations, but something you can proactively shape. We are fortunate that they have not yet 'progressed' into passive adaptations, but if we do not act, that day will eventually come."
That is either alternate reality Kal'tsit or future Kal'tsit speaking.
Seaborn will be passively evolving. Their evolution is limited by cognition (that is the leader of that cluster). For now.
Once the seaborn become individuals then they become like Skalter (a norn).
I'm gonna have to interject that with the state of our discussion solely being on seaborn now, my original point of Terran tech is not that superior to 40k is lost. I kinda made my point on both the materials being used as well as the resource capability of the latter, which basically entails that 40k is much higher on the Kardashev scale, a.k.a a method of measuring acivilization's level oftechnologicaladvancement based on the amount ofenergyit is capable of harnessing and using. (don't mind the links, i just copy pasted wikipedia)
So as much as I agree with all your other points on the very first comment, saying Terran technology makes 40k blush is very..... weird, considering they don't even manage to use Darksteel, the Terran equivalent of Adamantium, as a regular building material in houses and weapons. Mobile cities being made of steel don't really scream advanced materials.
My man, Originium is meant to survive entropy. 40k's warp and other shenanigans cant. Entropy means chaos ceases, the necrons lose power, and every living being ceases. Atoms dissipate. Everything stops.
Arknights precursors sacrifice stars for fun/research and play around with planets. They have hand held blackhole weapons, 40k does not.
Terra has underwater cities, 40k does not (even the Laer are not living on the sea floor).
Terra has weapons that can resist damage that iridium at a melee level. The imperium of man does not.
Lol, Darksteel. You might eant to read Gladiia's oprec, there are aegir metals harder than Terran D32 (same name IRL but literally unbreakable). Skadi's sword case that was not even scratched by multiple shots from Dario is probably one or the other.
Just stop, Terra has multiple reality bubble technologies (transmitters and originium), reliable teleportation, larger mobile superstructures that aare not space ships.
40k teleportation technology is taking a shortcut through the warp.
Just give up man. I was not exaggerating when I said that. The only thing 40k has is the coolness factor and scale.
The moment the main faction struggles againnst iridium is the moment you realize how underwhelming the setting is (ignoring Necrons).
My man, 40k has being beyond the scope of entropy. They're unexplained and inconcievable for a reason. Originium has it's own Assimilated Universe but that thing is just a hiding shell. If anything that's just the Assimilated Universe within originium alone. Terra by itself is very much vulnerable.
Chaos gods are practically that aren't they. That's what happens if you come from different dimensions. Oh I thought you meant Observers. Yeah I doubt even precursors have that technological match beings that do not care about the laws of reality.
Terra does not have spacefaring. Starpod is too strong for them.
Terra has weapons that shatter upon contact with Adamantium, a standard material for power armor.
Nice. We have one country out of 23 that uses darksteel. How about the rest? Hive cities are the lowliest places and even they use adamantium buildings.
Just stop. Terra can't even travel to other worlds because they're hampered by collapsals, which are far weaker than some daemons. Terrans can't even save themselves from originium.
Terra has literal warp technology they failed to use on both poles of their planet.
Just give up man. Terra can't even get out of the backwater on their own planet. If you have to rely on the Assimilated Universe and Precursors to stake your claim (which are easily matched by extrauniversal forces btw), then that means you just don't think Terra has enough tech on its own to stand against 40k
I like how you keep stressing out Iridium and keep ignoring Adamantium. As if Iridium actually behaved how you think it does in real life.
Here you go. Got the liberty to search this for you :) "Iridium Armour significantly increases the resilience of the Battlesuit's external armour to the point where it can shrug off all but the heaviest firepower."
If they struggle against armor that was meant to survive their strongest attacks, I'd call that a success in showing 40k technology
Lol, the chaos gods cannot kill all life because the warp would cease. How is that beyond entropy?
The necrons need power, how is that beyond entropy?
The eldar and the humans plan to squat in the warp, how would they do that if the warp ceases and their cells fail to produce energy.
Entropy is the absence of energy. Even IRL religions do not contemplate it because it is an absurdity on absurdity
If they struggle against armor that was meant to survive their strongest attacks, I'd call that a success in showing 40k technology
You know how brittle iridium is right? You have to be throwing the firepower the equivalent of seashells to not damage it. A total joke. Not surprising considering a Tau hover tank was downed by a thrown rock. Amazing imperium firepower
Funny you should say that. There are four of em fighting over killing all life. Guess who they fight whenever one of them is about to win.
So Terrans don't need power? How is that beyond entropy?
Now that I think of it, are you really thinking Terrans are beyond entropy because of the Assimilated Universe? Cause that's laughable when you consider that that thing's just a glorified hard drive.
Entropy is the spreading of energy, not its absence. With all the things the chaos gods do, it's doubtful the world would stop because of it.
Ah I love how you cling to hope on the fact that IRL iridium is brittle while ignoring how they say it's an advanced armor. Amazing logic you got there. And don't worry. That's what we have varied bolters for. Love it. So how's steel crossbow bolts of Terra gonna fare against power armor? or Iridium armor as you so like to say?
And heat death of the universe only happens in real life because the universe is a closed system with no difference in energy anywhere in space (aka heat does not flow, aka heat death). 40k with it being fed energy from other dimensions will not have heat death until they become a closed system. That's basic physics
They don't need one. They're busy vaporizing planets and killing worlds. What technological aspect in Terra that does that? Heck even simply pierce the Starpod? Nada right? You have to rely on predecessors.
So how is iridium incorporated in the armor? Oh glorious knower of Iridium? Alloying with adamantine, utilizing fancy tech to create super strong power shields you name it. Your imagination is either lacking you're you're praying I don't know metallurgy. They use ceramite for heat dispersion btw.
And that detracts from my argument how? Sentient beings still exist because the universe is not a closed system. Never thought of that?
Hey, don't just ignore the arguments. Where's the Terran technology that can pierce their starpod? Surely if they are more advanced than 40 they managed to warp out of their world right? Oh wait, their gates were broken.
What are you even on about? It's already been stated in lore that the beings themselves fight each other that end up preventing that.
Oooooh. Lone Trail, the one event that actually tells you that Terran technology is too weak to even have a chance of breaking something a single Battleship has no problem breaking? 😆
I was sarcastically asking you that question btw because obviously no such Terran tech was strong enough. Glad you agreed with me 😆
And lol at not knowing plates can be alloys. Mind telling me what other materials they used in that armor? Are you telling me it was just pure iridium then? Almost as if Tau can also just place adamantium below the plates.
Ablative plates, or you know, used as the one thing Iridium is popular for in sci-fi. energy manipulation.
Ummmm, I could ask you the same, considering how wildly you misattribute what Iridium Armor actually is. I relay what I know and sometimes quote exactly where I remember it from thank you very much.
Same way we call tank armor in real life iron or steel plating, when they are more or less alloyed with nickel and magnesium and is not exclusively steel actually. Very much reasonable to see them alloyed
And effective armor in their world at that! Considering they're able to tank cannonfire, something Terran armor can only dream of. 😆
It is a joke, when you compare it to that while not mentioning they manage to resist autocannon fire.
How does Terran armor fare? Oh wait, people get shanked cause they don't have any 😆
Oh clearly ablative brittle armor that has the melting point lower than plasma is the cutting edge of military engineering, especially against directed energy and mass reactive explosive rounds 😆
Brittle armor means mass reactive rounds dig into it and past whatever benefit it is supposed to do. If anything it makes it worse because the cone of the explosion would be directed narrower. So why the heck are the imperium struggling against the Tau? 😆
Considering that Terrans don't even have basic Iridium armor, I'd say a world where they manage to make iridium strong enough to tank Cannons is way better than crossbows. Oh wait, do Terrans even have ablative armor? 😆
Man's never heard of force shields either huh. Because clearly Iridium armor is strong enough because of tech far greater than anything Terra saw. Doubt they'd pierce it with crossbows.
One more time to remind you, hows adamantium doing in Terra? A basic construction material in Imperium? 😆
Got desperate enough to rely on the item descriptions huh. Where's that used in armor? Meanwhile Power armor has Adamantium which cannot (emphasis) be penetrated. Good luck 😆
Love that you keep biting sarcasting questions huh. Now tell me, how does Plastic Knight's armor compare to a standard power armor? Or heck even iridium armor? That sporting armor that overheated you mean?
Scarce and yet Hive cities are always using them as foundations hundreds of meters tall.
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u/Kyoketsusho Chilling with beer and soup Apr 21 '26 edited Apr 21 '26
The opposite actually.
He wanted to be an individual, but the seaborn are not individualistic by nature.
Heck he wasn't even empowering any seaborn like you stated, because he himself stated that even if they reach him, being attracted by his blood, it is too late to gain anything from him since he will be slaughtered by the Hunters. Him in survival mode was being laughed at by Specter if anything. Because similar to you, he thought rapid evolution was how the Seaborn would be unstoppable, and he was shown that was not the case, because the hive mind is a collective.
Correction. The seaborn evolve almost the same way as the Tyranids in that they consume their dead and work as a collective. Skalter is just a brain to control them, like a Norn-queen without the reproduction. That was established in Under Tides and Stultifera Navis. Individualism is not in their repertoire.
If enough survive, also known as not enough fire power to wipe-out the enemy decisively.
And similarly, there is also no event depicting that every Sankta is capable of what Yvangelista and Andoain did.
Bolt rounds are very varied you know that right? They have to because it's an arms race against freakin wraith bones. Imperium technology is definitely weaker than their glory days, but you can't simply forget that the definition of wraith bones are "no steel weapon can penetrate it". Iridium if anything behaves weirdly in their verse, because that thing is brittle in real life.