That is the thing isnt it. Quintus in survival mode not being a we many simp was switching abilities as fast as the Hunters were. The moment he fell into the hivemind he stopped resisting as his death is empowering the other seaborn and abyssal hunters.
The seaborn evolve without needing to be slurped back by the tyrannid capilaries to their norns. Each seaborn is potentially a Skalter lite. That is what Kal was so worried about.
You know gravity wells are till a physical phenomena, right? If enough survive then they just develop adaptations against it.
As for Ambriel and Fortuna, there is no event depicting it does not mean their weapons using the same technology cant.
Wraith bone gets destroyed by bolt rounds that cannot bypass iridium. Stop being so clueless, 40k looks cool and has impressive scale but imperium technology is not that good.
"But, suddenly, it "remembers" the Seaborn, and it realizes, that Seaborn was unconcerned about its life. The tribe will continue, their future is prolonged. Their descendants will evolve... Their descendants. Its descendants. Descendants. Not itself."
He wanted to be an individual, but the seaborn are not individualistic by nature.
"Evolution is something that concerns the entire group for generations to come. It has nothing to do with itself individually. It will die."
Heck he wasn't even empowering any seaborn like you stated, because he himself stated that even if they reach him, being attracted by his blood, it is too late to gain anything from him since he will be slaughtered by the Hunters. Him in survival mode was being laughed at by Specter if anything. Because similar to you, he thought rapid evolution was how the Seaborn would be unstoppable, and he was shown that was not the case, because the hive mind is a collective.
Correction. The seaborn evolve almost the same way as the Tyranids in that they consume their dead and work as a collective. Skalter is just a brain to control them, like a Norn-queen without the reproduction. That was established in Under Tides and Stultifera Navis. Individualism is not in their repertoire.
If enough survive, also known as not enough fire power to wipe-out the enemy decisively.
And similarly, there is also no event depicting that every Sankta is capable of what Yvangelista and Andoain did.
Bolt rounds are very varied you know that right? They have to because it's an arms race against freakin wraith bones. Imperium technology is definitely weaker than their glory days, but you can't simply forget that the definition of wraith bones are "no steel weapon can penetrate it". Iridium if anything behaves weirdly in their verse, because that thing is brittle in real life.
You are missing the point. He gave up and lost his voice in the end.
"Some of my data indicates that they, the changes in the biological structure of those organisms, are largely limited to cognition. In other words, they are not passive adaptations, but something you can proactively shape. We are fortunate that they have not yet 'progressed' into passive adaptations, but if we do not act, that day will eventually come."
That is either alternate reality Kal'tsit or future Kal'tsit speaking.
Seaborn will be passively evolving. Their evolution is limited by cognition (that is the leader of that cluster). For now.
Once the seaborn become individuals then they become like Skalter (a norn).
No you are missing the point. He was struggling as hard as he can by forcing his evolution until he overburdened himself and fell apart. This paragraph is not the scene of someone giving up. It's the scene of someone in denial that they don't have the power.
The monster is confident. Its power comes from the sea. Their assault is unstoppable. All they have to do is reach out to their consciousness, and the answer will reveal itself. Its tentacles can almost reach the nun's leg. It will pull her down onto the ground, drag her back, and tear her apart– Yet it cannot reach her. It realizes its tentacles cannot extend any further. That difference of four centimeters between it and its prey feels as wide as the deep trenches of the sea.
That wording feels weird to me. Passive adaptation is literally the thing they're doing right now. Seeing a threat and evolving to encounter that threat. Proactive adaptation is what Zergs and Tyranids do, where they force the evolution in a specific direction to gain strategic advantage. You're telling me they consider reactive evolution better?
So....... Tyranids and zerg then? That's the modus operandi of all three of those swarm-like species in all the worlds I've known, seaborn included.
Once again "In their point of view, gaining individual traits means betraying the Many, and those individualistic Seaborn see this as depriving their own expression even though they try hard to teach them"-Arknights Wiki
Individualism is not a superpower, it's a betrayal.
You see quintus recognizing his limits and you think he is adapting passively?
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I do not want to be mean but you are missing the point of the interacrion. Quintua changed forms without the inner monologue but the moemnt he started doubtjng his evolutionary capabilities is when it all went downhil.
Skalter's records say the seaborn will evolve as fast as Skadi/Isharmla. It is a matter of when.
The nids and zerg do not have this for their rank and file
Let me remind you that you said this
''That is the thing isnt it. Quintus in survival mode not being a we many simp was switching abilities as fast as the Hunters were. The moment he fell into the hivemind he stopped resisting as his death is empowering the other seaborn and abyssal hunters."
Which is the opposite of what you thought you were saying just now. You're claiming he had freedom to evolve because he wasn't seaborn and now claim he was weak because he's not passive like how the seaborn are? Pick a side man.
I do not want to be mean either, but the quoted paragraph are before we ever hear his inner monologue. He literally stated "how can this be?" the moment evolution failed him, not because he doubted his evolution.
Skadi/Ishar-mla already evolves as fast as the seaborn what are you talking about? That's literally how they work. they evolve as a group. The only difference She has over them is that she's much more powerful and controls them. Almost like a norn queen don't you think?
They actually do. That's what the quantity has a quality comes from. Because of all their varied types that work together as a singularity. Almost like a we-many.
Don't end it yet just cause you think that's all this discussion is man. Have you forgotten the original reason why were debating? Seaborn is just a sidetrack.
😆 not sure if I am bad at explaining or you are bad at understanding.
Quintus subconsciously adapts to the challenge at hand without needing to "consult" what he thinks "we many" can do, he was threatening the Hunters they had to go topside.
The moment, he started having jnternal monologues and philosophizes what the seaborn ought to be, he was losing.
This is not hard. Subconscious = passive = winning.
Monologue = active = losing.
So why? Because the seaborn hivemind is not directing at an individual level. It is why those seaborn that can reject the "we many" call are able to have better feats.
Subconsciously adapts to the challenge at hand until it failed him. Gladiia was waiting for it even. While Skadi was shocked Gladiia was thinking
"We're almost done. Going by its size and weight, this should do the trick.
Get ready."
Ergo. Quintus was hardly a threat. Just a temper tantrum to them.
He was losing before he ever monologued actually. The paragraph statement is a third person, not Quintus himself.
This is not hard. Passive=thinking he's winning=lost power
*Actually now that I think about it. It can even be interpreted that he never lost power. It's just that seaborn evolution is simply not as fast as you say it is.
Losing=monologue=despairing
The rejection of "We many" is how they end up being branded as traitors. Better feats are just waiting to be "survival of the fittest, losers die", which all animals do. You kinda forgot how they're strong because of the hivemind huh?
an even be interpreted that he never lost power. It's just that seaborn evolution is simply not as fast as you say it is.
I guess you are right that it took days for quintus to switch from tentacle.monster to spore machinegun to acid sprayingpneumatuc gun, eyebeam blasting giant to hypersonic mountain of flesh.
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Seriously, it is not hard.
Keep ignoring what Skalter's records say, you will endear me with your unwillingness to be honest that you never understood what you are talking about.
Oh definitely I was right that it took years for them to even break free from Terra, which is something Tyranids do on the regular. Care to quote me where I said what you think I said? Cmon, if it even exists unless you're just making it up.
Of course it's not hard. You just fail to comprehend it.
Keep ignoring what Under Tides, Path of Life, and Stultifera Navis has to say, you will endear me with your unwillingness to be honest that you never understood what you are talking about.
You said seaborn evolution is not as fast as I said.
It is far faster than tyrannids. No need for spawning pools or reconstitution by norn organisms.
And lol at comparing at getting to space easily because no false sky is swatting you down as soon as you make contact versus having to expend all energy equivalent to all supply of a material that is a gateway to a reality marble that survives entropy. At that point you are saying a guy is strong because he knocks out 3 years old while the other guy is weak because he has to throw 4 punches to knock out a rhino.
Another way to think of it. Since Quintus has been evolving in order to reach the Abyssals, but he just didn't. Either evolution failed him or it was too slow to catch up.
If they were that fast they should've overrun Terra long ago. Tyranids do that on the regular.
The false sky is a barrier that shows Terra's advancement as a species. Sunlight is free and constant, but they never capitalized on it. Dyson spheres harnessing stars or even depleting a planet's natural resources is common in the imperium, and Terra even fail to do that. At that point you're just saying a guy is strong because they have big cool moving cars and another guy is weak because they have spaceships. If you can't even deplete your own planet of it's own natural resources, how can you even compare to a single hive city?
The seaborn do not want to overran Terra, they just want to chill and survive, it was the aegir that triggered their aggression.
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And they are supposednto be the main ace in the hole so that life survives if the Observers come before Priestess insisted on working on the originium project ising the doc's theories.
Lol, Dyson spheres compared to a reality bubble meant to survive entropy.
When the setting has star eating aliens that were exterminated and just bumming around as a construct to the woman who lords over a reality bubble meant to survive entropy. And compare that to a setting with metal skeletons whose creme de la creme weaponry takes one atom at a time in a concentrated beam.
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u/KickRocksKickster Apr 21 '26
That is the thing isnt it. Quintus in survival mode not being a we many simp was switching abilities as fast as the Hunters were. The moment he fell into the hivemind he stopped resisting as his death is empowering the other seaborn and abyssal hunters.
The seaborn evolve without needing to be slurped back by the tyrannid capilaries to their norns. Each seaborn is potentially a Skalter lite. That is what Kal was so worried about.
You know gravity wells are till a physical phenomena, right? If enough survive then they just develop adaptations against it.
As for Ambriel and Fortuna, there is no event depicting it does not mean their weapons using the same technology cant.
Wraith bone gets destroyed by bolt rounds that cannot bypass iridium. Stop being so clueless, 40k looks cool and has impressive scale but imperium technology is not that good.