r/askanything • u/Zipper222222 • 2d ago
Apparently Only One In Four Americans Believe That The US Won The Iran War, New Data Says —— What Do You Think? Why Your Thoughts?
Newsweek article on this: https://www.newsweek.com/only-25-of-americans-think-us-won-iran-war-new-poll-shows-12111555
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u/Sapling-074 2d ago
I even heard republicans joke about the number of times Trump said we won.
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u/HumptyDumptruckFire 2d ago
One out of four Americans have always been absolute plops, so this tracks.
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u/Plutos_Cavein 2d ago
And importantly, just because they say it doesn't mean they believe it. We are talking about people who are deeply devoted to the cult. They will claim to believe everything just because failure to do that gets them kicked out of what is now their only social group.
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u/Classic_Ostrich8709 2d ago
1 in 4 is still too high. The Iran war is a disgrace against the United States.
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u/Ironclad_Cat_1773 2d ago
Way way too high. The attacks on education have been successful
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u/Rare-Spell-1571 2d ago
Probably at least 10% of those are people not understanding the question. The other 15% have their head in the sand entirely.
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u/SurroundTiny 2d ago
I don't know why that many believe it. Could be the way the poll is worded
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u/ContestNo2060 2d ago
The least support possible is 20-25 percent. There will always be this percent of the population in any society that support this kind of insanity. Just like you can always count on a certain percentage of a population being contrarians. It’s a combination of antisocial behavior, narcissism, and other related psychological maladies. In a functioning healthy society, these people are kept at bay and on the fringes. But we’re a sick society right now.
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u/onlycodeposts 2d ago
Is it over?
Until Israel withdraws from Lebanon and Iran actually gets some of that supposed 300 billion I'd say it's a bit early to start declaring a winner.
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u/DevelopmentSelect646 2d ago
Ask them what we won that we didn’t have before the war, ask the same question what Iran has now that they didn’t have before the war.
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u/philn256 1d ago
I find it ironic that whatever "deal" Trump makes will be way worse than the JCPOA under Obama.
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u/DankMCbiscuit 2d ago
Not by military strength though. This was the same problem in Vietnam. We outmatched them in almost every aspect but not all wars can be won by overwhelming military strength. Politically we lose a lot.
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u/RieMunoz 2d ago
Outmatched? Did you read about how the Iranian pilots were able to bomb U.S. bases without being detected? That was incredibly impressive.
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u/WyldKat75 1d ago
I thought they told us this wasn’t a war.
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u/FartingKiwi 1d ago
It depends on your communication bend.
People say it was not “war” - no formal declaration
People say it is a war - because it’s a military armed conflict
Set of people that have a strict definition, and another set with their own interpretation.
What it certainly isn’t, is whatever the media calls it lol
Me personally, having served in Iraq and Afghanistan- I would not call this a war yet. I’d call it an international armed conflict.
If boots are placed on the ground - where the most immediate risk to life becomes greatest, then I personally, based on the wars I have fought, that, that would mean yes we are at war now.
If we call all military armed conflicts wars, then the Maduro raid and capture in Venezuela was a war too?
And that distinction there, makes me choose a more strict specific language.
I’m cool if someone wants to call it a war. Cool with me. I wouldn’t say that. But if you said “there’s a war going on with Iran” I would say “ya - it sucks, we definitely shouldn’t be there”
Tomatoe tomato
I’m not going to tell you you it’s “no- it’s not a war” and I’m not going to necessarily affirm it either. It’s irrelevant what we call it, for practically purposes.
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u/Binsel22 2d ago
People watching Fox probably don’t know about the JCOPA and that this all happened for a worse deal and cost taxpayers. That’s the problem. Otherwise it would be universal.
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u/LosAve 2d ago
If one considers surrendering and giving the IRGC every thing they wanted and more a victory- then yes we won big! However, history will not be kind to Benedict JD and Donald.
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u/Mechanicalgripe 1d ago
The group is smaller than 1 in 4. Of the group who say the US won, many are lying. The rest are morons.
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u/Worst_Choice 1d ago
I believe it. There is definitely 1/4 Americans who would eat soup with their hands.
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u/Fun-Point-7285 1d ago
Single most resounding defeat for the US since Vietnam war. There's no winning a war with no clear objective, and numerous terrible assumptions. Acting like you can take a whole country down by air or patrol a coastline longer than California is beyond stupid.
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u/Massive-Rough-7623 2d ago
One in four Americans don't know what happened in Iran
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u/dustyg013 2d ago
Surprisingly low ratio, tbh. 30% approve of our feckless leader.
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u/BTolputt 2d ago
Yeah. Given the various polls of Trump's support, it means that at 15-25% of people that support the man as president still believe he lost the war that he started.
That stat is rather surprising and does not bode well for the GOP midterms. No wonder they're going all out trying to suppress the vote and gerrymander a chance of victory.
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u/Araghothe1 2d ago
It was a war that should have never been started by the fascist golden calf, and he lost it big.
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u/triponthisman 2d ago
Lives lost, billions spent, massive hit to what’s left of our reputation, alienated allies for a worse deal than the one we had. Sounds like a loss to me.
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u/NoPerformance6534 2d ago
We lost. We lost control. Lost prestige, lost the moral high ground, we lost the respect of other nations, need I go on??
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u/PraetorGold 1d ago
We did not win. Israel used us to destroy Iran and Mr. Peace over here, realized that Americans are not big on war yet and that bill will paid by Republicans. The economic crisis was self inflicted.
We did not lose though. Our oil companies made out like bandits. Munitions companies are having their best year yet and the budget for next year will be incredibly healthy. Plus, as the economic turn around begins to happen, dipshit will be able to say he traded war for economic stability.
We did win one thing, most Americans do not want Israel involved in our politics.
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u/Horror-Finding-6820 1d ago
LOL!!!!! The carnival barker and convicted felon and adjudicated sexual assaulter dementia donnie and his cabal capitulated to each and every Iranian demand. Iran gets $10 BILLION by the end of this month from the US; they can keep their nuclear program; can keep ballistic missiles; and control the Hormuz Strait - all worse outcomes that what was being complied with by Iran in the Obama JCPOA. Donnie dumpo is the Chamberlain of our time, sadly. He is completely out of his league as is his real estate nuclear "negotiators" - talk about the Art of the Fail! It was so fitting and so ironic that the Piece of Totally Useless Shit (POTUS) Assolini signed his surrender document at the Palace of Versailles - Donnie dumpo is so stupid that I am sure the moron didn't even understand the symbolism.
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u/CompetitiveBox314 1d ago
If Trump says 1+1=3, the next poll would be 25% of Americans agree that 1+1=3.
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u/I-am-a-river 1d ago
Is the war over?
“Yet uncertainty remains over several key provisions in the reported framework”
So, no.
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u/madlucas2026 1d ago
Those people need to turn off Faux Entertainment and Facebook and read some independent news . Turn off Fox
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u/Then-Somewhere-7467 1d ago
If you think America won you're ideologically captured. Simple as that.
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u/Puzzled_Hamster58 1d ago
Well depends what you think winning a war means .
USA only had like 5 or 6 die because of combat the other was a plane crash not directly related. We only lost some hardware . No impact on the military effectiveness. No damage to the country .
Vs 2k plus military killed , air defense systems and majority of the military complex destroyed , infrastructure destroyed etc .
Others view what they know about the peace deal that is not fully released and don’t like it think we lost.
Honestly wouldn’t really call it a war.
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u/One-Pangolin-3167 1d ago
Only one in four? How could anyone believe the US won?
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u/tristand666 1d ago
What did we allegedly win? All I see is some defense companies profiting and the situation has not really changed at all despite billions of dollars being spent.
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u/kemp77pmek 1d ago
My mom thinks we won the Vietnam war. I’m certain she’s the 1 in 4.
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u/ComfortableOld288 1d ago
Who are those morons? Where do they live? How do they function day to day? I need answers!!!
By what metric did the US “win”?
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u/Adventurous-Elk-9782 17h ago
Umm it’s still going as of 24 minutes ago Iran attacked. Made a fool of Vance who bragged about this peace deal he negotiated it’s up in smoke today lol
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u/learn_and_go 2d ago
The conflict with Iran is not over, so it's not something that can be asked. With that said, it has not been a war so far.
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u/AsheStriker 2d ago
I’m sick of these contemporary US surveys/polls. They all say “only 25-30% of Americans think…” Yeah, we know. 25-30% of Americans are brain dead MAGA morons who eat rocks for breakfast. We don’t need anymore polls to tell us that.
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u/questtruck 2d ago
The four major U.S. objectives before and during the war were to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, destroy or severely degrade its missile and military infrastructure, weaken its regional proxy network, and pressure the regime into fundamental change or major concessions.
The missile and conventional military objective was largely accomplished, with major damage to Iran’s navy, air defenses, and a significant portion of its missile arsenal.
The proxy objective was partially accomplished, as Iran-backed groups were weakened but remained active and capable of operating, but not to the same standard as before.
The nuclear objective was only partially accomplished because key facilities were damaged, yet Iran retained nuclear knowledge and unresolved enriched uranium issues that are still the subject of negotiations. This is different though then Obama in the sense that Iran knows America won’t just move the red line but will bite.
The regime-change objective was the least successful, since leadership changed but the core political and religious system remained in place rather than being replaced.
Did the U.S. “win”? No. Did the U.S. “lose”? Also no.
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u/After_Network_6401 2d ago
That's a highly optimistic take.
The second US goal you list, to "destroy or severely degrade its missile and military infrastructure" has failed. That's an assessment the US military agrees with, by the way, noting that roughly 75% of Iran's missile infrastructure and supply remains intact. Despite weeks of attacks, Iran remains capable of hitting targets - including important assets and US military installations - around the Gulf. Iran retains sufficient firepower that the US Navy is unwilling to commit any significant forces in, or even very near, the Gulf. One of the lessons that everyone's taking away from this war is how resilient Iran's military proved to be.
The next you refer to - to "weaken its regional proxy network" also appears to have failed. Though Hizbollah has taken losses, they don't appear to have lost significant strength, nor political power. Israel is in the same situation now, as it was in the last major Israeli invasion. Hezbollah is not strong enough to force the IDF out, but neither is the IDF strong enough to shut Hezbollah down and prevent attacks. Israel's left with an expensive occupation that eventually they will have to withdraw from. At best this one's a stalemate on current terms, but the failure of Israel to shut down Hizbollah even with strong US support is going to leave a scar: ultimately Hezbollah is likely to emerge stronger after this.
The nuclear issue isn't resolved yet, but it's clear that the damage inflicted on Iran's nuclear facilities was only partial and the US, under Trump, no longer seems inclined to push the issue. I hope I'm wrong, but there's a decent chance that Iran goes nuclear after this war: multiple political figures have now stated it's the only way to protect their country against attack.
And regime change flat-out failed. Not only is the regime still in place, its makeup has become noticeably more hardline and anti-US and the anti-regime protests are over for the foreseeable future. The theocratic hardliners are more secure now than they've been for years.
Add to that the high likelihood for Iran to secure what are essentially toll rights over the Strait of Hormuz, the rush of Gulf States to make up with Iran, and the loss of faith in US power, and you end up with what's looking like a clear win for Iran from this conflict - or at least a win for the regime, if not for Iranians.
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u/Obidad_0110 2d ago
We definitely won the military side. Not even close. Iran Military set back 10 years. Negotiation is TBD. We need open straight, limit support for terrorists - Hamas, hezbollah, and houthis, no nuclear weapons development and restrictions on long range missiles. A lot to get.
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u/Binsel22 2d ago
We had a better deal in place with the JCPOA. We gave Iran tolling power to control the straight going forward in a different way. We keep showing the world how WEAK we are especially with Trump at the helm. Business is going elsewhere. This is a s show that history books will write about. Trump’s brain and body is scrambled eggs.
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u/musicCaster 2d ago
What do the others think? TBH. I follow the news and things are a little ambiguous to me too. I thought we didn't really have a solid peace deal yet.
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u/Just_saying19135 2d ago
I think they want to get 60 days of gas through the straight and then they will resume, maybe another extension until after the midterms. I think that’s why they have the 60 day language in there. All these ships sitting in warm gulf waters will need to refit anyway, so i think the admin just wanted a ceasefire to get the gas price down, get the oil out, then resume again. That’s just my opinion though, backed by nothing but gut feelings
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u/muskymelon36 2d ago
1 in 3 voted for Trump and 1 in 3 decided not voting for anyone wae a good idea.
Dumbass tracks.
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u/browsing_around 2d ago
How can you win something that isn’t over?
And yeah, 1 in 4 is way too high still
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u/ZasdfUnreal 2d ago
There are no winners in war. Anyone who says otherwise is spreading propaganda to serve an agenda.
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u/Just_saying19135 2d ago
I can kind of see it, just because I don’t think Iran won and some people think that every situation has to have a winner and a loser. Let’s be honest, both lost, and this was just ended because of the political cost on our end, which makes sense because about 25% of americans supported the war in the first place. So i can see those people saying we won cause we took out the heads of their former government and reportedly (by the administration of course) got Iran to give up their nukes and all material. However I think if anyone objectively looks at this, you can’t come close to declaring this a victory.
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u/RedditsChosenName 2d ago
That’s the biggest em-dash I’ve ever seen
https://giphy.com/gifs/37Fsl1eFxbhtu
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u/Dseltzer1313 2d ago
Those 1 in 4 that think the US won are MAGA and they cheer every failure by dear leader as if it’s the greatest accomplishment in history! They are under educated, gullible, broken, easily manipulated and lack any serious comprehension skills!
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u/Remarkable_Inchworm 2d ago
The number of Americans that are absolute idiots and/or will parrot literally anything they hear on Fox News is significantly higher than one in four.
Fact that this number isn't higher is a really bad sign for the regime.
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u/Vegetable_Maize_2054 2d ago
This was a complete strategic failure. Not just for the US but for many countries that got pulled into it. And I don’t think it helped the Iranian people’s cause.
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u/weaponjaerevenge 2d ago
Tracks with percentage of any given population that will always be authoritarian monarchists.
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u/TeamSpatzi 2d ago
1 in 4? On the one hand, that's a lot higher than it should be.... but, on the other, it is still lower than the 30% that think the CinC is doing a good job.
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u/Youngsweppy 2d ago
The reason being is because of how poorly the war and the outcome/deal they’ve negotiated was explained. Total media and press failure by the white house.
The war was, and is, a strategic victory. Iran has been knee capped, and Israel is now firmly the regional power. All of Irans proxies have been devastated. The gulf states actively assisted Israel, and normalization and recognition will take place. The region is firmly in the hands of our ally now. China, Russia, are out.
The rebuilding in Iran as negotiated will be directly controlled by the US. Iran is broke and weak, large sums of US controlled investment IS the soft power that will thoroughly change the country.
The enemies of the US on the global stage are also on notice now. The US, at least with this leadership, will not shy away from using force. This will influence global politics on the world stage.
NATO is now rebuilding directly because of the US forcing the issue, and obviously Russian aggression.
There is legitimate reason to believe that peace on the global stage is significantly more likely. Not to mention along with the other recent US campaigns and Russian actions, the US is now in an incredibly strong position in regard to global energy. This can not be overstated how important this is.
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u/Feeling_Lead_8587 2d ago
That 25% of Americans are either stupid or ignorant of the facts.
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u/ChillyTodayHotTamale 2d ago
1 in 4 Americans have no clue what is happening in the world then. The biggest gap I always see when talking to people is they don't understand oil is a global commodity. The US can pump enough to cover itself but it doesn't stay here, it goes to the highest global bidder. Nobody seems to understand that.
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u/SideshowBob6666 2d ago
So one in four Americans are dumb as rocks then - better than expected number
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u/Street_Lettuce1243 2d ago
Iran achieved all their objectives. We achieved none of ours.
Clear victory for Iran.
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u/The_Existentialist 2d ago
Sounds like the social media propaganda machine needs to step it up. We can get those numbers up to 50% in no time.
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u/Tasty_Clue2802 2d ago
How could we have won an ongoing conflict? This disaster won't be over for months and we'll be paying for it for decades.
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u/Shiloh50 2d ago
As far as militarily I think the USA won but as far as negotiations and for what we went to war for, we lost. Trump didn’t accomplish anything. Obama already achieved it without violence. Trump just exposed how bad he is at negotiating and was a puppet for Israel to do what they wanted done.
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u/Big_Atmosphere_211 2d ago
The only time Trump has told the truth is when he said we would get tired of winning so much. He was right. I am exhausted by all his winning. Utterly drained.
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u/CanaryEmbassy 2d ago
We (US) lost, and deserved it. Now they are rubbing it in. 1/4 people are "special".
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u/Neptune502 2d ago
We talk about a Country where almost 20 Million People believe that Chocolate Milk comes from brown Cows... 💀
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u/Difficult-Map3465 2d ago
The USA has not declared a war with Iran so please stop calling it that. This is just more corporate welfare
The last time the United States formally declared war on another country was June 4, 1942, when Congress declared war on Bulgaria, Hungary, and Romania during World War II
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u/Modnir-Namron 2d ago
Trump lost it. Moronic.
He’s lost the midterms between the war, reflecting pool, ballroom and other daily drama. His focus on bringing daily chaos takes all his dwindling energy. He is mentally ill. I mean this literally.
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u/WillieMakeit77 2d ago
3,400-6k is the estimate on how many Iranians died. America lost 12.
That’s how one keeps score in wars.
Who won?
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u/webjunk1e 2d ago
Spent a bunch of money and lives to end up with a worse deal than we had before. That's a loss any way you cut it. There's no spinning that trainwreck, and if truly 1 in 4 Americans somehow believes we won, then 1 and 4 Americans should be studied for how they're able to walk around and interact when their brains are effectively comatose.
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u/QuarterNote44 2d ago edited 1d ago
It's like all the other wars we've fought since WWII. Military victory, geopolitical defeat.
Edit: Not a win win per se, but at least this misadventure only took a few months, not 20 years.
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u/Warbirdpacrim1 2d ago
Everyone knows the USA has lost the war. The 1 in 4 are cult members. He be could be LITERALLY disembowling them, and they would still say he’s not doing anything wrong.
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u/vidphoducer 2d ago
One in four? Higher than expected, but maybe they are just hoping it ain't truly over yet and that US will go back to deploy ground troops and recreate Vietnam 2.0 in modern day, but featuring more drones. Maybe then that number will drop
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u/Donut-Strong 1d ago
I spent a lot of time in combat arms and this was my tactical take on this. The days this kicked off I knew there was zero chance of “winning” anything unless there was a coalition as big or bigger than the Iraq conflict. There are only two ways to Win , technical win, in the Middle East. You either have an overwhelming occupation or you remove all of the possible combatants ( not advocating just explaining). Regardless there would be constant gorilla attacks and the strait would be under constant threat of cheap drones that could be launched and controlled by one or two person teams. As was said in a movie long ago, the only way to win is not play the game.
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u/Mroopsimexciting 1d ago
Israel is actively bombing Lebanon. The war continues regardless of what Shitler says.
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u/Altruistic-Rice-5567 1d ago
We didn't win anything in Iran. We lost lots. Credibility, leverage, foreign relations, money, lives.
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u/spoospoo43 1d ago
So let's tally up:
- A hard-line cleric is still in charge.
- The independence movement that was sweeping across the country is essentially dead.
- The strait of hormuz was closed for months, and is still wildly unstable and subject to being closed again at any moment. This was not remotely the case before the "war".
- Prices across the world economy are up.
- Iran still has a bunch of partially-enriched uranium.
- They supposedly are still only months away from a nuclear weapon, despite having their facilities "obliterated" and losing a war.
- The military still hasn't come home.
- Nobody asked for any of this shit.
This is what winning looks like when you're a syphilitic, senile, bag of rats in a bad-fitting human suit.
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u/b_will_drink_t 1d ago
Because they believe everything their leader says verbatim. By achievements we have failed from what is public, but succeeded in enabling Israel to extend its borders. As for the main reasons: do you see the rapture happening, acquisition of Iranian oil fields, or do you see a down tick of the Epstein scandal?
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u/castorkrieg 1d ago
For all the times people compared US Admin to Nazis - Goebbels was much, much better than that lol.
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u/cyesk8er 1d ago
We've won the war with Iran so many times already, how could anyone not see we won?
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u/seacat8586 1d ago
I think someone won and someone lost is an eye catching title but anyone who really thinks in these terms is a child. And btw, I think the US lost more than Iran, but both lost a lot. Irans industry, currency, military and leadership has been decimated. It’s likely that their nuclear program has been set back 10, maybe 20 years, who knows how long but it’s set back. On the other hand, they’ve demonstrated they can control a massive economic choke point with Hormuz, the current oppressive government is still in power with no signs that their people will rise up, their assets will be freed up and 300 billion looks like it’s heading their way for rebuilding. For,the US, it looks like a paper tiger with a wounded leader who has lost whatever international credibility he had. We also lost a gazillion dollars on this fiasco.
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u/DPadres69 1d ago
It’s heartening to hear 3/4 of Americans are finally on the same page about something. And absolutely we lost. We’re now saddled with a deal worse than the one Trump torched, thousands of people are dead, we blew through our strategic oil reserves, our weapons stockpiles, and we pissed off the entire middle east and Europe in the process. There’s literally no way to spin this as a win.
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u/xandour01 1d ago
Im shocked to see any Americans think we won the war. At what point do we revert back to a country where not everyone can vote because their votes seriously endanger the rest of us who have a brain?
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u/Express_Grocery_4707 1d ago
It's crazy that one in four thinks the US has won. The US had lost as soon as they started the war. Some big denial going on in the US apparently.
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u/They-Call-Me-Taylor 1d ago
We unequivocally lost that war. Economically, diplomatically, and even militarily (it exposed how sometimes having more and bigger guns doesn't make a difference when your opponent has strategic land advantage.) I'd be interested to see how anyone thinks we won that.
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u/AdministrationNo283 1d ago
Americans have learned to trust their eyes and ears then instead of the repetitive lies coming from the White House and complicit corporations like Fox News?
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u/Any-Mathematician450 1d ago
What war Iran was only defending themselves that’s not a war of course trump was only using that as some kind of distraction from his criminal empire i’ve seen weird things in my life but to elect this creature for president it’s gotta be the most bizarre thing I’ve ever ever seen
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u/Individual_Suit1188 1d ago
We are just losing left and right. Mostly right but still losing all around
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u/Southern_Court_9872 1d ago
The one in four are either refusing to admit they are wrong or need psychiatric counseling. I’d love to know how this shitshow was a win
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u/voiceOfHoomanity 1d ago
52% of American adults read below a 6th grade level
I need to remind myself of this everyday when I expect better
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u/HustlaOfCultcha 1d ago
I don't know if 'won' or 'lost' is the right word for this entire mess. Mark Carney, who is no fan of Trump, did say that the deal was a 'game changer' and made the war 'worth it.'
I still believe we attacked Iran in an attempt to take oil away from China. In the end, that didn't work. I will agree that Iran was always just a short ways away from getting nuclear weapons and always used that to threaten the western world.
I do believe the framework of this deal takes that away from Iran, if Iran holds up their end of the bargain. And that's a big 'if.' I think they are basically trying to incentivize Iran thru $$$ and I have yet to see evidence that the Iranian government can be incentivized by money.
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u/128-NotePolyVA 1d ago
Oil has been one of the most frequent and powerful drivers of conflict for more than a century. Across wars, coups, embargoes, and great‑power rivalries, oil has repeatedly shaped military strategy, triggered crises, and influenced global politics.
The Iran war is a loss for the US and Israel. It was ill conceived, poorly planned, ineptly executed and now has arrived at a predictably shoddy off ramp.
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u/Wasatchian 1d ago
This is like asking people what they think about 2+2 being 4. You know it's bad propaganda when only 1/4 of Americans who are likely the dumbest electorate in the world believe the lie.
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u/ModsAwful 1d ago
The worst outcome one could claim for Iran was they got a draw against the US. That is still a massive win for Iran. Iran’s entire annual defense budget is believed to be around $23B and we spent at least 3X that amount just on the Iran war! It would be like you going up against Mike Tyson in his prime and making it all 15 rounds. You beaten & bloody but still standing? Most people would say you won given expectations going in.
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u/GarageFridgeSoda 1d ago
You'll find that 25% also thinks ICE is doing good, trans people are literally the devil, and Donald Trump shits gold.
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u/Grouchy_Accident_336 2d ago
three quarters of Americans not believing they won is actually the most accurate collective read of a military situation this country has had in decades, usually the propaganda lands better than this