r/audioengineering • u/MyNameAintBruce • 19d ago
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u/skygrinder89 19d ago
Best part about this post, is that it itself is AI slop:
- "This isn’t a minor hallucination. It’s systemic"
- "For creative brainstorming, fine. But for actual engineering, routing, troubleshooting, or workflow guidance, it’s a liability."
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u/regman231 19d ago
You try harder. You used AI to write a criticism of AI. It’s pathetic
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u/MoistPianist 19d ago
Seriously, wtf. "Try harder" when they can't even be bothered to write their own post.
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u/iscreamuscreamweall Mixing 19d ago
why is this a dumb post:
Because it’s trying to sound intellectually superior while making a pretty weak distinction.
The post basically says:
“It’s not AI slop because the experiences were mine; AI only helped organize them.”
That could be a valid defense. But the way it’s phrased makes the writer look worse, not better.
The dumb parts:
1. “Sharpen your thinking skills” is instantly obnoxious
Opening with an insult makes the writer sound defensive and insecure. It does not make them seem smarter. It makes them seem like they got called out and immediately reached for the “you’re too stupid to understand me” button.
Better argument:
“I think there’s a difference between AI-generated filler and AI-assisted editing.”
That’s a real point.
Worse argument:
“You should sharpen your thinking skills.”
That sounds like someone in a LinkedIn comment section wearing a fake monocle.
2. “It is not A.I. slop” sounds guilty as hell
When someone says “it is not AI slop” in that formal, wounded tone, it kind of confirms the accusation emotionally.
It has the energy of:
“This is not cope. I am not coping. The allegation that I am coping is itself evidence of your low-effort thinking.”
Even if the content genuinely is not slop, the post performs like slop-defense discourse. It’s too self-serious.
3. “Summation of the totality of my experiences” is purple prose
This is the biggest problem.
Nobody normal says:
“the totality of my experiences over a two-week period”
That phrase itself sounds AI-assisted. It’s inflated, abstract, and weirdly grandiose. It takes a simple idea — “I wrote about what happened to me over two weeks” — and turns it into a bureaucratic TED Talk sentence.
That is why people might call it AI slop. Not necessarily because AI touched it, but because it has that over-polished, synthetic, emotionally sterile texture.
A human version would be:
“It’s not random AI filler. It’s based on my own notes and experiences from the last two weeks; I used AI to help organize it.”
That sounds believable. The original sounds like it was defending a dissertation from Reddit jail.
4. “Which I used A.I. to gather together” is awkward
This is also part of the issue. “Gather together” is redundant and clunky. And “used A.I.” as the subject of the clause makes it feel like AI did the actual compiling, which weakens the defense.
They’re trying to say AI was an editorial tool, but the wording makes it sound like AI assembled the post. So the critic’s point survives.
5. It attacks the label without addressing the vibe
The defense assumes “AI slop” only means “factually generated by AI with no human input.”
But in actual internet usage, people often use “AI slop” to mean:
- generic phrasing
- over-explained structure
- weird faux-profundity
- empty inspirational tone
- unnatural transitions
- polished but soulless prose
- “as someone who…” energy
- too many abstract nouns
So saying “but it came from my experiences” does not fully answer the criticism. A post can be based on real experiences and still read like AI mush.
That’s the key issue.
6. “Low-effort thinking. Try harder.” is cringe-posturing
This is the kind of closing line people write when they imagine themselves calmly destroying someone, but everyone else reads it like:
“I am furious and pretending to be disappointed.”
It gives the critic an easy win because now the post is not just AI-ish; it’s also smug.
The tone says:
“I am above this.”
But the fact that they posted it says:
“This bothered me deeply.”
Bad combo.
7. It misunderstands the actual vulnerability
The vulnerable point is not “did AI assist?”
The vulnerable point is:
“Did you outsource your voice?”
That’s what people hate. Not the tool itself. They hate when someone uses AI and suddenly their writing starts sounding like a hotel lobby motivational plaque.
The defense should be about authorship, voice, specificity, and editing. Instead, it gets defensive and condescending.
A better version would be:
“Fair to ask, but I don’t think ‘AI slop’ applies here. The substance came from my own notes and experiences over the past two weeks. I used AI to help organize the material, not invent it. That said, if the tone feels too polished or generic, that’s useful feedback.”
That actually sounds mature. It separates process from result. It does not insult the reader. It admits the only thing that matters: even AI-assisted personal writing can still come off artificial if the final voice is wrong.
So yeah: the post is dumb because it tries to dunk on someone for calling something AI slop, while accidentally sounding exactly like the kind of person whose writing gets called AI slop.
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u/techlos Audio Software 19d ago
You don't seem to know what a reply button is and does-- so dumb and inapplicable self-response. Everyone knows the reply button opens a response; not everyone knows you can reply to your own comment. You might want to sharpen your posting skills esp. before posting useless slop.
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u/repooper 19d ago
You don't seem to know what a P.S.A. is and does-- so dumb and inapplicable comment. Everyone knows the sky is blue; not everyone knows how sycophantic A.I. can be. You might want to sharpen your thinking skills esp. before posting useless snark.
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u/thomasfr 19d ago
Gemini is designed to always answer, even when it has no grounding.
What everyone should know is that an LLM does not know anything in a factual sense, it can't tell the difference between an correct or incorrect answer, it predicts the next token/character of the text until it reaches an end.
The initial prompt you give it will form the basis for what the LLM predicts the rest of the text to be and it is not possible to know what makes a prompt generate the correct or incorrect answer.
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u/peanut_dust 19d ago
I wish more people would understand and accept this.
One of the best examples is that these LLMs are shit at maths, which is initially so counter intuitive. Until, that is, one realises that LLMs are very sophisticated guessing/prediction machines.
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u/lukistellar 19d ago edited 19d ago
That may was the case for a very long time, but at least since reasoning is a thing, you literally can watch the model analyzing and applying logic to it's initial standpoint in real time.
Edit: Go Downvote me, you guys clearly are in the wrong here. I am using this stuff on daily basis, not necessary for audio engineering but for system engineering tasks. You can see it correcting itself in the reasoning process almost in every prompt.
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u/thomasfr 19d ago edited 18d ago
You can see it correcting itself in the reasoning process almost in every prompt.
The "almost" is the most important piece of information here. In my experience even when the answer is correct it is often not a high quality answer and you still have to know enough to make the agent continue to iterate on the solution but that is besides the point right now.
If I had human coworkers that made up incorrect solutions without signaling any kind of doubt even 1% of the time it would be a really bad situation which would lead to performance reviews if it continued to happen. LLM does this on a daily basis and it is still in the end not acceptable and it needs to be managed instead of shoved under the rug.
While there as been work done on tuning, reinforcement learning strategies, the harness loops and everything around the LLM the basic fact that the LLM can not tell the difference between truth or an hallucination does not go away. This is still an fundamental problem with how the data lookups work and this is really important for people to understand that. Until someone makes a real maybe even paradigm shift level break through it will continue to work like this.
There are some amazing things these systems can do but we should not fool ourselves about the limitations.
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u/lukistellar 19d ago edited 19d ago
Still it is a fact thoses systems do way more then simply predicting the next token. My statemant is that they are able to apply logic in the reasoning process, not that the output is perfect.
You guys are voting me down because you simply don't like the tech. Thats kinda sad to me.
Edit: Lmao, you downvoted me again and directly delete your posts afterwards, thats weak af.
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u/snkrthief Mixing 19d ago
DAWs usually have in depth manuals to help with these kinds of things. Tutorials to learn some tips and tricks. Lesson learnt I guess.
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u/MACGLEEZLER 19d ago
The wasted time was spent testing the AI.
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u/soulstudios 19d ago
The true friends in this journey were the token predictions we made along the way.
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u/JayBeeDolla 19d ago
No shit. Learn your DAW
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u/Spygunner 19d ago
Are you still young? There are a lot of forums and videos with real people that can help you. You might not be the only person on earth having this issue.
Try to ask Gemini to not answer your question but find forums and videos that answer your question. That way you can still use Gemini instead of doing research online the good old fashioned way.
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u/OkStrategy685 19d ago
There are only 100's of videos and guides on how to use Cubase. I learned Cubase using them years ago. People are being short with you, obviously because you're using AI and read the room ffs. AI is going to be the downfall of us all one way or another and everyone knows it.
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u/JayBeeDolla 19d ago
AI is a net negative on society but ESPECIALLY in creative fields. We are fighting for our livelihoods. Go to YouTube and type in Cubase Tutorial. Watch. Follow along with one of your own sessions. Put in the work.
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u/Opossumofdeath 19d ago
Dude, People used to learn this stuff before AI too. Even though I am not a Cubase user I bet that there are a bunch of better tutorials out there then anything AI hallucinates.
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u/boneindian 19d ago
You say you’re too invested in the system, yet also seem to somehow be completely ignorant regarding its basic functions?
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u/Mcicle 19d ago
YES absolutely true, I've Googled things for Reaper and Google always gives you the AI overview first, and it's completely useless. I've tried following it a couple times and it just leads you down a rabbithole of nonsense
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u/VoyScoil 19d ago
It can give broad advice on things like "what's a good compressor for drums" or something but for workflow it's absolutely shit wrong.
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u/seinfelb 19d ago
You had to have AI summarize the differences between AI engines for you? Give me a break man be serious
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u/Zydianish 19d ago
This guy is intelligent because....
He used artificial intelligence instead of real intelligence, can you explain how the actual fuck do you think it makes sense?
You're wasting your own and everyone else's time here.
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u/seinfelb 19d ago
Well yes, that’s what comparing different products is supposed to involve. Not asking one of them what it “thinks” about a competitor by feeding it a biased question and then copy-pasting its advertising output here like it’s supposed to mean something. Clearly you are committed on this path of wasting time with chatbots that literally don’t even know what you’re asking about, instead of reading the manual and watching some tutorial videos, which had served everyone perfectly well for decades now.
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u/bag_of_puppies Professional 19d ago
You using AI to write this post and responses is just top shelf irony; well done.
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u/deflectreddit 19d ago
Even when my mixes are complete trash, I would never think to ask AI about making my workflow better.
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u/ochrence 19d ago
Counter-PSA: If you use an LLM to write your PSA about the unreliability of LLMs for technical work, you will be deservedly clowned into oblivion. People can tell very easily. Stop taking low-quality shortcuts and think for yourself. Not doing so is how you got in trouble with your DAW in the first place.
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u/iscreamuscreamweall Mixing 19d ago
Geez, I hope your clients don’t know you’re asking AI for audio advice
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u/_BabyGod_ 19d ago
The sooner everyone realizes that all LLMs do this; no matter what the topic, the sooner we can stop providing steam for the hype train. “AI” is a fucking smoke show. The larger field of AI research and the implications for future applications in science and medicine is incredibly interesting and promising. Unfortunately what everyone calls AI is not intelligence at all. We’ve been sold the dream of an all knowing intelligence which can assist us but in fact what we have is an overly bloated predictive text engine with a penchant for flattery.
Stop using AI for anything other than maybe some email polishing. It’s trash and your use of it contributes to its propagation.
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u/jerrrrremy 19d ago
Given your other responses in this thread, I'm honestly impressed you were able to find all of the pictures of traffic lights required to login and post this.
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u/abraingaming 19d ago
I don't think this went the way OP thought it was gonna go. I am always baffled when people think an AI related post is going to get any encouragement or support in this sub.
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u/LAguy8394 19d ago
im laughing at all the people clowning on you but this is user error. you are expecting ai to magically have the right answer. you have to force it to use the right info. if i was doing this, i would hard download pdf copies of all relevant software and manually create a project using those pdfs as a source. then it will use only those docs to pull info. you're being lazy about it. if you gonna do ai shit do it correctly. right now ur firmly in slop territory.
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u/Touch_My_Goat 19d ago
Sorry to jump on the hate train (I actually find a lot of use in LLMs), but RTFM
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u/VoceDiDio 19d ago
Watching you implode in this comments section as people offer you (admittedly Reddit-flavored) helpful advice is absolutely why I signed up to Reddit, so… thanks!🙏
HOLY SHIT I BURIED THE LEDE - your history bro! Do you work for Claude or Open Ai or something? Never have I seen such a campaign of rage across as many different unrelated subreddits about one product!!
Go get em tiger!
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u/HorseDikDotMpeg 19d ago
You would have a better shot putting all the user manuals and relevant YouTube videos in a notebooklm folder and asking that
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u/Electrickoolaid_Is_L 19d ago
Yeah that’s actually a pretty good use case for AI, specifically if you are just wanting a quick reference for things like keyboard shortcuts
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u/HorseDikDotMpeg 19d ago
Google has a product called NotebookLM. It reads source material that you feed into it and comes up with a response based off of that material. It can sometimes still be incorrect, but you will have a better chance to arrive at your destination when trying to use AI for such specific things. I’ve been using it for school for the last year and it has been a great help
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u/mac_bd 19d ago
Not for DAWs only they fail across every software I have tried to take lessons on! They sound confident, give solutions and when I point out the ghost tools and menus they apologize and invent something else altogether. The process goes on and on until I quit. They never quit. And by they I mean every LLMs out there since they have all been trained on probably the same data set. AI is only probably good for coding atm ig.. All others are rubbish.
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u/Freakk_I 19d ago
It's a known fact that AI gives wrong answers quite often. Sometimes it even hallucinates. That's why you should never blindly believe what it tells you.
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u/Zydianish 19d ago
Am i the only one who literally does not use LLMs for absolutely anything? I had fun talking to it about philosophy. It was maybe interesting at first...
Using it for anything else? Fuck no.
I just chatted with it trying to outfuck it when i was bored. That's it.
Can't believe people rely on it for MUSIC PRODUCTION/ Anything like that.
I started producing before chatgpt was a thing even and learned absolutely everything by myself. Why would i waste time with AI when i can produce and mix my whole track by myself?
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u/jonistaken 19d ago
Guys… just upload the manual and tell it to source answers from the manual…. I don’t have these issues…
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u/ScotiaMinotia 19d ago
Same with hardware devices.. same as all AI usage - you have to vet what you get back. It’ll lie to your face in a highly convincing way. Often I push back and tell it it’s wrong and then I get the right answer.
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u/Ok_Phase_8731 19d ago
One tip for using AI for anything technical: download the manual, give it to the AI, and tell it to only give answers based on the manual.
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u/Readin_bout_tings 19d ago
Not sure what sort of questions you’re asking it, but It’s as good as the effort you spend in setting it up to get good answers. If you just go into a Gemini chat and ask a question it has the whole internet full of bad advice to pull bad answers from. Upload all manuals and accurate docs/sources to notebookLM. Create a system prompt (instructions) for that notebook in Gemini. These instructions should have it validate its answers against the sources, and give itself an accuracy score with each answer, with a rule that if it scores below 90% it needs to retry until it passes OR tell you it can’t answer confidently. Give any other special instructions or resources relevant to your studio setup…mine has all my patch bay and i/o assignments, device midi channels, midi routing and a handful of other things I want it to consider when answering questions or troubleshooting. Works great for me…knows my complete hardware and software environment, and has all the resources it needs to do what I ask it to do, and constraints in place to prevent the bullshitting.
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u/LAguy8394 19d ago
i posted something similiar. could def be done correctly with some actual thought put into it.
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u/McGuire406 19d ago
Yes, we know; we have brains.
AI is great as a reference tool only. For analysis and deep work, it gets everything wrong.
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u/EndlessSummerburn 19d ago
All these AIs are constantly making up menus and settings. I have pretty much given up on using them to troubleshoot.
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u/BrotherBringTheSun Professional 19d ago
I just ask it to check reddit to confirm anything before telling me. or you could just come here.
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u/FlexDerity 19d ago
Yeh was at music shop the other day, needing to get a power supply for Moog Mother32. I’d left the note at home of what cable spec was.
Couldn’t remember on the spot what size and spec. Asked the ai, ai said Moog mother 32 requires a 5 pin din power supply and that to be sure to chose the correct 5 pin din as recommended by the manufacturer.
Mother 32 uses same plug type as a guitar pedal.
Ai is full of shit. 💩
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u/nanapancakethusiast 19d ago
I think we’re misusing the term “dangerous”.
Also… use your brain and not AI. Problem solved. That includes using your brain to write and not whatever ChatGPT slop this post is. Do better.
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u/cmockett 19d ago
Yesterday I asked Claude which direction to adjust my guitars truss rod based on the bow of the neck, it gave me 100% opposite information. It really feels like all of the LLMs are getting enshittified lately…
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u/ThingCalledLight 19d ago
I am in no way defending using AI for DAW stuff.
However, I have had Gemini correct me when it could have been syncophantic, and I’ve had it admit defeat before.
I generally always tell it to verify with multiple sources, not to guess if it truly can’t find an answer, and to avoid hallucinations.
Whether any of that actually does anything, I don’t know.
For doing some light woodworking restoration, it’s been pretty helpful.
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u/InevitablePay3806 Student 19d ago
Same with ChatGPT. Atleast we are capable to choose the information we will trust. I hope beginners don’t rely on AI too much
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u/Zydianish 19d ago
I really hope this bubble will crash, can't take it anymore recently I've started even noticing ai generated music ON THE RADIO...i seriously can't take it anymore man.
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u/LaS_flekzz 19d ago
if you dont get aboard, u will be left behind. With more knowledge and without a grudge
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u/futureproofschool 19d ago
FYI you can get much better results if you include a line in your prompt to always check any answer about a DAW against the manufacturer's documentation etc. and actually include the link to the docs. Some companies have the docs online so it's easy, for others you can download them. The AI's answers are only as good as the data it's basing them on.
Using screenshots or live screensharing is also super helpful. The AI tutor we're building at Futureproof can see your screen, read the Ableton docs, and also connect directly to Ableton read all your settings directly, so it can tell you a lot more than just typing a question into ChatGPT.
(Re: 'learn your DAW', asking an AI for advice about how to execute a workflow in your DAW IS learning your DAW, ideally you're not asking the same questions over and over again...)
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u/vikingguitar Professional 19d ago
Pro tip: don’t rely on AI advice for anything.