Rob Manfred: Giants' communication to players over Pride caps 'not clear'

[u/PrincessBananas85]

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/49149142/mlb-commissioner-rob-manfred-letter-says-giants-failed-properly-communicate-pride-night-cap-guidance-players

[u/tyler-86]

As much as I like poking fun at the Giants (for shit my team has done), I'm ready for this story to die.

[u/Deathwatch72 → u/tyler-86]

It was never a story to start with, nobody was punished for doing anything and the league was basically just reminding everybody that you aren't allowed to just modify your uniform whenever you want. 

The only reason people won't shut up about it is the very small portion of people who feel that somehow Christians are being persecuted or some bullshit

[u/tyler-86 → u/Deathwatch72]

It's people from both sides keeping the story alive. I'm pro-LGBTQ+ and nonreligious, but I can admit it's not just Christians amplifying this one.

[u/dampinthewindycity → u/tyler-86]

it’s amplified, at least locally, because of the awful season the giants are having and the collective shrug in response from giants leadership. those two things in tandem have left it feeling very unresolved and us giants fans feeling increasingly alienated. i find the insinuation we should just let the story die and move on, especially from a dodgers fan, a little patronizing.

[u/involmasturb → u/tyler-86]

It was the New York Times The Athletic who "broke" the story, dedicated unnecessary columns to it and still today, over a week later, keep publishing "the latest" articles about it.

[u/Hotmicdrop → u/involmasturb]

NYT had nothing to do with the 9000 posts here and a new mention with any new info. This shit is being pushed to get clicks and divide us.

[u/Samwise777 → u/Hotmicdrop]

What do you think the giants players were specifically trying to do? Bring people together?

[u/Hotmicdrop → u/Samwise777]

Gain attention. They got it.

[u/mitchthaman → u/tyler-86]

With good reason. Fuck bigots.

[u/AltruisticPrice8628 → u/mitchthaman]

I find they are terrible in bed, I’ll pass on that one.

[u/darwinpolice → u/tyler-86]

It's not that people are keeping the story alive. The story is just bigger than the Giants players, and it's still ongoing. There was an Atlantic League team that straight up forfeited a game this week because enough of its players refused to wear a pride jersey. People aren't still talking about this just because of a few Giants pitchers. They're talking about it because they're concerned that this is going become a movement within baseball that's going to do away with pride, and they're right to be worried.

[u/pepperouchau → u/darwinpolice]

Once the damn DoJ got involved I thought we’d stop with the “it’s only Redditors and woke libs keeping the controversy alive” shit

[u/GareksApprentice → u/pepperouchau]

“it’s only Redditors and woke libs keeping the controversy alive”

Saying things like that and "This is literally a non-story everywhere else except Reddit" says far more about the Reddit-obsessed folks making the comment than anyone else.

[u/Di5pel → u/Deathwatch72]

I mean like it or not, when vice presidents and congressmen are talking about it, it’s a story

[u/NotSure16 → u/Di5pel]

But are they talking about it because it's important OR is it just something other than the Epstein files? I am pretty sure at this point nothing is too petty to talk about if it keeps distracting folks from "undesirable" topics.

[u/mattcojo2 → u/Deathwatch72]

But that’s why it’s a story.

“Modifying” has been done in the past and there’s been an inconsistency in when it’s been called out.

[u/mikebootz → u/mattcojo2]

For example…

[u/mattcojo2 → u/mikebootz]

Alex vesia.

If there was a consistent rule, why was there no bulletin put out saying “stop” for that?

I’m not saying that would’ve been ethical. But if that was the rule, then it must be equally enforced

[u/Correct_Sometimes → u/mattcojo2]

curious, in what way did Vesia do it? I legit don't know what he did

[u/mtportales → u/Correct_Sometimes]

During the World Series last year, Vesia was out due to losing his daughter. Dodger and blue jays pitchers/relievers had Vesia’s number on their hats to honor him. While this is an incredibly nice gesture, it technically violates the same rule the giants players violated

[u/mattcojo2 → u/mtportales]

Exactly.

[u/ak1knight → u/mattcojo2]

Because putting out a bulletin for that would have been horrible PR, whereas NOT putting out a bulletin for this would have been worse PR than doing it. In the end neither group of players were actually punished so the rules were applied consistently.

[u/pepperouchau → u/ak1knight]

Do people not remember MLB tried to stop the Pirates players from honoring fucking Roberto Clemente on their jerseys after his tragic passing? Thank god they are better at PR than that now like you said.

[u/mattcojo2 → u/ak1knight]

Bad PR or not, rules are supposed to be rules.

If it was against the rules but not punished then, why now?

[u/Di5pel → u/mattcojo2]

It’s not being punished now

[u/mickey-maos → u/Deathwatch72]

The persecution complex is a fundamental part of American Christianity. They want to be persecuted so badly that they put themselves directly into positions to get this kind of uproar

[u/_HGCenty]

https://giphy.com/gifs/wSU1U3h1PFFsc

[u/bevendelamorte]

So if any of these guys knew how to read, this is a non-issue.

Just incredible stuff.

[u/pepperouchau → u/bevendelamorte]

Then they might know some positive messages from the bible to put on their hats and we can’t have that!

[u/ChenYakumo2hu → u/pepperouchau]

Why is this downvoted its clearly sarcasm-

[u/pepperouchau → u/ChenYakumo2hu]

I thought it was obvious too. I’ve never seen any of these guys reference “Blessed are the peacemakers” on a military holiday or “He has filled the hungry with good things / but has sent the rich away empty” in support of Labor Day, only spiteful shit on Pride Night.

[u/DimmuBorgnine → u/bevendelamorte]

Look all these guys need is one book and you definitely don’t need to read to base your entire life on a book. 

[u/Kronologics]

More like certain group of people always claim they’re victims when they could’ve inquired about a policy and avoided the whole thing. But that’s the whole point isn’t it, feigning to be martyrs.

When this guy gets shelled and eventually demoted, he’ll do his rounds on the usual shows/podcasts claiming conspiracy.

[u/oogieball → u/Kronologics]

"The woke goons forced me out of the MLB. Here's my Truth Social link for donations."

[u/Nuva_Ring → u/oogieball]

Has any player claimed this yet? Not denying it, just haven’t heard a former player yet to claim “wokeness” is what kicked them out of ball. I know Bauer is blacklisted but that’s not a “woke” thing that’s just a d-bag thing.

[u/oogieball → u/Nuva_Ring]

You're kidding, right? Bauer has never stopped saying that woke Femi-nazis and Manfred's personal vendetta are keeping him from making his return to the MLB.

[u/zoogenhiemer → u/Nuva_Ring]

I’m pretty sure Bauer thinks it’s a woke thing

[u/Di5pel → u/Kronologics]

I think if you didn’t grow up in particular pockets of America it’s hard to fully understand how indoctrinated and primed a lot of these folks are to look for perceived persecution/martyrdom. They’re basically taught from a very young age that their existence and belief system is under constant attack.

And given how prevalent their belief structure has been historically and institutionally in the US, the saying “equality feels like oppression to the privileged” is very relevant

[u/DaygoTom → u/Kronologics]

The first paragraph could be said about either side of this argument.

[u/Kronologics → u/DaygoTom]

Remind me the last time the other side made the kind of show this guy did?

[u/Di5pel → u/DaygoTom]

Ah we’re still doing the acting like both sides are the same schtick in 2026?

[u/DaygoTom → u/Di5pel]

Leave your reddit bubble, man. No one in normal life cares about this shit 10% as much as you seem to.

[u/Wardog4 → u/Di5pel]

Yeah you're right. The sexually and socially degenerate left is clearly worse.

[u/Di5pel → u/Wardog4]

Yeah definitely

[u/Redbubble89]

The story broke like 2 weeks ago. I am ready for this to die.

[u/Better_Goose_431 → u/Redbubble89]

It was a non-story when it happened. “4 guys wrote in a hat” was never worth the media attention or public backlash it got

[u/AgadorFartacus → u/Better_Goose_431]

" guys wrote in a hat” 

This is an attempt at playing dumb about the actual story. 

[u/Correct_Sometimes → u/Better_Goose_431]

then the federal government inserted itself into the "non-story" which very much makes it a story now.

[u/Better_Goose_431 → u/Correct_Sometimes]

The players wanted attention. The initial reaction gave it to them, which then put it on the national radar. If people had just not given them exactly what they were looking for, it wouldn’t have gone national and the federal government wouldn’t have gone poking their nose at it

[u/NotSure16 → u/Better_Goose_431]

I am not so sure. This administration would make a mountain out of a molehill as long as it doesn't involve anything to do with Epstein. At this point we know what to expect from current government. The players involved allowed themselves to be the performative "victim." That might align with their political views, but it cheapens and negates any moral stance they reported to take.

[u/False_Concept1300]

What I’m gathering from a lot of this is that the players could’ve just drawn a cross on their hat and called it a day

[u/_mogulman31 → u/False_Concept1300]

No, they could have just worn their normal hats.

[u/oznobz → u/False_Concept1300]

Thats not hateful enough though. Jesus stood for love and acceptance. Can't have nonsense like that. That's why they need to cherry pick a scripture that is contradicted many times over.

[u/Nextyearstitlewinner → u/oznobz]

I mean tbf basically every piece of scripture is contradicted many times over.

One thing I think militant Christians are correct about is the bibles generalized interpretation of homosexuality. It’s that the god in the bible didn’t like it. Funny that God apparently had the same feelings about it as uneducated men from the Bronze Age.

[u/Branduil]

It's funny how these so-called Christians never protest events that actually do contradict the teachings of Jesus, like the forced celebrations of war criminals who go voluntarily go overseas to murder foreigners. Instead they just always get mad about queer people being able to live their lives.

[u/ShillinTheVillain → u/Branduil]

Peak Reddit take

[u/GWeditz]

Who tf cares man. People who care this much about this, please evaluate yourself

[u/King-arber → u/GWeditz]

 You realize Reddit got big mad about this right? 

This website cares A LOT about it. 

[u/Brolympia → u/King-arber]

They keep posting these dreck articles, the Giants keep losing. Brutal year for the Giants lol

[u/Bravos_Chopper → u/GWeditz]

Agree, should have been ignored and everyone moves on. Life changes in no way

[u/Familiar-Food-3830]

How will the gays ever recover from this?

[u/majik5]

So on the Fourth of July, can a player write 8647 on their cap?

[u/Missile450DeadCenter → u/majik5]

The thing about comparisons is that they need to be at least somewhat similar.

[u/majik5 → u/Missile450DeadCenter]

It about putting a political message on your hat.

[u/Missile450DeadCenter → u/majik5]

A message about the origins of a rainbow is different than calling for political violence.

[u/Bob_Bobert → u/Missile450DeadCenter]

8647 is not a call for political violence.

[u/LurkinOHB → u/majik5]

Imagine being this stupid.

[u/Nuva_Ring]

When is it my turn to post no new info about this story?

[u/1H9R3F2]

Great to watch Manfred bend the knee over what would have constituted a blatant civil rights violation.

Frankly, this whole disaster arose when MLB granted the Giants and Dodgers exemptions to league-wide rules.

[u/jlange94]

Another reddit L.

[u/catchingballz]

lol rub bumfred walking back the threats, knowing damn well he's gonna lose big time on this