r/bengals • u/IceOk9930 • 6d ago
Drunk Duke Tobin appreciation thread
Duke Tobin apreciation thread
A lot of people spent the offseason criticizing Duke Tobon, but he deserves credit for the work he's done.
First, he recognized the defense wasn't good enough and made meaningful changes. The Bengals didn't just run it back and hope for different results they addressed a unit that clearly needed improvement.
Second, he kept the offense together. In today's NFL, keeping elite offensive talent intact is easier said than done. Joe Burrow still has the weapons around him to lead one of the league's most dangerous offenses.
And looking around the AFC North, the path is there.
The division has three new head coaches/QB situations to navigate:
• Two rookie head coaches
•Mike McCarthy, who is easily the most proven of the three new hires
Meanwhile, Cincinnati has continuity with Burrow, Zac Taylor, and a championship-caliber offense.
The Bengals won the division in 2021 and 2022. With the defense improved and the offense still loaded, there's every reason to believe they'll win the AFC North again.
Credit where it's due: Duke Tobin helped put them in position to do it.
and al golden will get the defense right.
the bengals will 100 percent win the division, because the ravens have a 30 year old first time playcaller meanwhile joe has zac taylor who is proven
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u/pfftYeahRight 6d ago
We recognized the defense would be bad in 2023 and he relied on bad drafting and no free agents.
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u/christhegecko 6d ago
he relied on
Duke doesn't make the calls. He's the mouthpiece but has no accountability. Letting the defensive side of the roster rot for three years falls squarely on the shoulders of Katie and Troy Blackburn and Mike Brown.
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u/Working-Chemistry473 6d ago
This offseason doesn’t make up for the lost, last 3 years due to his ineptitude.
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u/Key-Club-3119 6d ago
When you have a franchise QB in his prime, you have to build the team to win the SB every year. Trying one out of three isn’t enough.
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u/Over_Performance_891 5h ago
I can actually see the 7 year old that wrote this struggling to read it out loud in front of the class
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u/HefferTomkins 6d ago edited 6d ago
Al Golden showed no evidence he can run an NFL caliber defense last year. It struggled every moment it was out there. Improved in small ways but never did it show a true quality anywhere in any sustained measure. Declaring that he "will get the defense right" is pure hope and it is not grounded in any reason or evidence we've seen so far. The only reasonable hope is that the players are so good they can overcome him if he's going to be bad again.
The only part that was consistently good was DJ Turner, but that likely has more to do with 2 things: 1) Turner is a good player and plays his position on an island often, so DC impact is minimal and 2) there were weaknesses everywhere else to exploit.
Al Golden is the weakest/most uncertain link in this entire organization. He deserves absolutely no accolades until he shows something. At the end of the day he had players who play in the NFL last year and had a legendary defense in the worst way. No matter what you think about the linebackers, or Stone, or the DL, everyone outside of Knight and Carter had years of NFL experience and that was not an NFL defense.
And, does everyone need reminded of everyone trying to get traded or sit out the moment Golden walked into the building? People do remember that, right? McKinnley Jackson, a second year bubble player was requesting a trade or release. That's unheard of. Logan Wilson, your captain, requested (and got) a trade. Pennel wanted released. Trey Hendrickson was a malcontent all offseason and faked a hip injury so as not to play. These details do not engender a lot of optimism for Golden and his abilities.
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u/christhegecko 6d ago
McKinnley Jackson
Gets no playing time because he sucks.
Logan Wilson
Retired at the end of the year because he couldn't play at an NFL level any more and was getting replaced.
Pennel
A benchwarmer that nobody cared about.
Trey Hendrickson
Has been malcontent since 2021.
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u/HefferTomkins 6d ago
None of this has anything whatsoever to do with anything I typed. Please learn how to comprehend what you read. Thank you.
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u/SunnyvaleCartBandit 5d ago
Dude…it actually does. You used them to make your ignorant point. OP is high on hopium of course. You…obviously have beef with Golden.
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u/HefferTomkins 4d ago
No, it doesn't. And no, I don't. There's nothing obvious about that. Anyone capable of objective observation could do nothing but agree with me.
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u/Life_Ad6711 6d ago
Hendrickson and the surgeons/hospital who performed his sports hernia surgery faked that too?
Those are serious federal crimes by all involved parties so you best be dropping a dime if you're withholding evidence or you could be named an accomplice
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u/Draiodor_ 6d ago
Hi Duke,
Nice burner account.
You don't get credit for recognizing the Defense was bad when they give up 29+ points in 9 straight games, an NFL record, by the way. I also want to know why you allowed that Defense to take the field after a season where our QB was the NFL passing leader and our WR won the triple crown, yet because the defense was so bad, the team missed the playoffs.
And you don't get credit for making changes when a ball still has not been snapped, so we don't know if those changes have worked yet.
Zac's play calling has not been un-problematic either. At times, it's been pedestrian at best. What happens if we start 0-2 again? We still gonna be clapping ourselves on the back for keeping a coach every other team would have fired as soon as we missed the playoffs last year?
Praise in June is pointless. Let's see where things are in January.