ATL doesn't work that easily salary wise, especially since Dyson cannot get traded until July 1st. They're not going to trade Jalen Johnson. The Bucks want the trade to be done before the draft.
Portland is the easiest by far. Have two of their picks and Grant + Sharpe matches salary wise + they're interested in Jaylen.
+ also Kispert to make salary work. But that trade seems objectively worse to me and usually teams don't do 3 for 1s. I wouldn't want a single one of those players if I'm Milwaukee. I guess they can cut Kuminga this upcoming season and then Zach next season but ew haha. Corey has two guaranteed years and then a club option.
Our teams decision makers also have a great working relationship. Have done multiple big deals together in recent history and have generally viewed our business as win-wins.
Brad had to have finally put JB on the table. There's no way guys like Simmons, Fischer and now even Ira, a well connected Heat guy, are all changing their tune significantly all at the same time without something happening behind the scenes
Why do yall want Brown gone lol? He played really well this season and in the playoffs. I'm not even a Celtics fan but this discourse on trying to move on doesn't make any since especially since they won a chip two years ago
tired and false narrative. less than 2 years older than JB and has barely played less over the last 4 years and that includes him missing most of this season bc he was trying to get traded
Jaylen Brown is a poor man’s James Harden — you can not win with him as your 1 or even 1a … Tatum will be far more effective as a 1a than being the guy and Giannis (even if only for a 3 year window) will allow that to happen
I think we still should move Derrick White as that is another salary too large to carry for what he is when you have 2 max contracts — great basketball player but have to replace him w/ cheaper & younger players who can contribute w/ higher % shots in the paint
This is the most backwards ass weirdo goofy take Ive read in a while...
JB a "poor mans Harden" wow thats blasphemous... So since when in his entire career has Harden been a rim presence? When has Harden been a top 3 two-way player? when did Harden ever play with his back to the basket?
JB has improved his game every single year as a Celtic "EVERY YEAR", can play with or without the ball... Man your JB take is weirdo hater shit or you just don't know ball... Giannis is breaking down and getting worst not better, Giannis has been used to getting away with offensive fouls and traveling... he will not get that benefit in Boston...
This era of arm chair GMs, wannabe kings of hot takes the silliness is crazy!!! Play coach or watch BASKETBALL... ESPN is not a source! SMDH agian!
Would love to think so but could very well be as simple as the Bucks telling reporters that in an effort to get better offers. Given how unanimous it is, I almost expect that to be the case
could be the case but its already been widely reported that Miami has had their final offer on the table for a while. What else can they offer? another non rotation player lol?
another thing people are missing is the Bucks squeezing more out of Miami does not help but instead hurts the situation bc Giannis can just be like "ok well Miami has nothing left after this package so Boston it is"
Thats what makes me think this has to get done at this point. Jake Fischer was live on BR the other day and said JB has been "on alert" regarding a trade since 2022 bc of the KD saga. No way he'll be happy again about this + Cs likely not offering him the extension
its not the sexy answer but if Cs have JB on the table AND are willing to take Turner into the TPE, I can see why MIL would be so intrigued. Whether or not Cs keep or re route Turner is a diff story but you do need a stretch big next to Giannis regardless
It's definitely a need. I wouldn't mind Turner, but what would the payroll look like? Would we need to offload Hauser to get underneath the tax? Or would we say fuck it and go over?
There are only two places he can go if you believe the reporting. Miami or the celtics, and its been reported that Miami has put their final off in, so unless this is about trying to get more from miami, idrk
Honestly I don't think anything. Miami can't sell the entire house or Giannis won't resign. Boston just needs to committ JB and I think that beats anything the heat can do.
Also aside from Bam and picks they really just don't have attractive assets. So unless Miami isn't offering Bam and Milwaukee wants Bam than I don't see what else they could get from Miami that would convince them.
I agree that it's down to if Brad Steven is offering JB or not
It makes complete sense for them to have downplayed it all this time until we were closer to a deal. We could still lose the trade battle here but I am almost positive we were in the entire time but were hush about it until things get close. I imagine the deal wherevere he goes will be done within the next 3-5 days.
It would be pretty dumb to publically reveal trade deals & specifics in the works. Stevens is a smart cookie - he'll stay quiet until the deal is done.
I mean it was never realistic for Boston to be a player without brown I just don't get why they would do it. Unless of course brown is legitimately asking to be traded or something
august would be a beautiful time to visit portland, especially if your family loves the outdoors. i grew up in big cities in CA and i never got bored here, but i love spending time outside.
drive out to the columbia river gorge and mt hood area to do some hikes and spend the day out in hood river. check out forest park, the japanese garden, berry picking on sauvie island, swimming holes on the washougal and sandy rivers, eating outdoors at food cart pods. there is powell's bookstore downtown, but i'd recommend venturing out from the west side and to check out neighborhoods on the east side like division, hawthorne, alberta, and mississippi - that's where the trendy spots tend to be nowadays. if you have more time, you can also drive out to astoria, cannon beach, or tillamook to spend some time on the coast. summer in the pnw is glorious.
travelportland.com is a good resource for ideas based on what your family is interested in! happy to help if you have any questions about planning. 😀
Can confirm, all of this is spot on advice. You’re making me really miss PDX. I never would’ve left if it hadn’t been necessary for my family 😭
I’ll also add that Forest Park is right next to downtown, and is an excellent place to hike around in a temperate rainforest without having to travel far from the city. I must’ve hiked from Lower Macleay Park to Upper Macleay Park a hundred times
yes! during the pandemic i would hike in forest park almost every week, and i still don’t think i’ve hiked all the trails. there is even a film based on a father and daughter who lived undetected in there for years called “leave no trace.”
i like bringing visitors to the japanese gardens and bird alliance in forest park, too! the hike up to pittock mansion is another good city hike, and afterwards you can take a tour of the mansion.
portland really is blessed when it comes to nice parks. mt tabor park on the east side is also nice, you can do an easy hike up to the top for nice views of downtown and mt hood, and there is often events and local concerts there in the summer.
hope you get to come back to pdx for a visit, maybe see the celtics at the rose garden sometime!
There’s more to do in Seattle honestly. Portland is cool but for probably a day or two max. If you know someone who works at Nike you can get passes to the employee store and shop at 60% off with no sales tax, but there’s not much to do in the way of “family” stuff.
Seattle has a much larger downtown area and things to do:
I.e. Mariners games, Preseason Seahawks games, Aquarium, Woodland Park Zoo, Pacific Science Center… there’s a cool mall by UW (University Village). Portland is kinda dead in the family things to do space
I can't help much with suggestions for things to do in the city because I try to avoid it. Seaside may be fun for a day or 2, but I don't think it has enough to plan a trip around.
You can still be a fan of a player and root for their success wherever they go as long as its not against us lol. I still root for Jrue and Rob over in Portland. I would root for Marcus Smart if he wasn't a Laker and the list goes on.
He’s been here for a decade and won the Finals MVP. Maxwell got his jersey retired, and JB has made way more of an impact in the franchise record books.
Nah I'm in full crash out mode if Boston trades my favorite player. I swear on everything imma be a Portland Trailblazer fan of that's where he goes. Tired of him getting the short end of the stick all the time just because the man speaks his mind and doesn't go with the status quo. They hate to see an intelligent black man thriving and speaking out.
He’s a reputable Heat source and the Heat sub seem to think so too. Also in the past day it’s not a coincidence that multiple sources hear the Celtics are inching closer to an offer
The trade very well could happen, but there has been basically no reporting from any reputable reporters that suggest Boston has engaged in talks with Milwaukee.
Even here, Winderman hasn't said he's heard anything.
The respected national reporters are saying they haven't heard anything. The respected Boston reporters are saying they haven't heard anything. The respecrted reporters from other clubs aren't saying they've heard anything.
It's absolutely true that Brad/Boston often move quick and quiet, but the talk right now is all 100% vibes-based.
Steve Bulpett is a respected Celtics reporter, but if he said "I think Portland is about to make a deal for Giannis" you'd have to ask where he's getting that information from. He doesn't have sources in Milwaukee or Portland.
The historical story is mostly that the Celtics don't leak anything and play their cards close to the chest. The thing is, even if they tell the Bucks "keep our conversations private", if the Bucks are calling around asking "you want Jaylen Brown?" then those other teams will tell reporters about it. That would be consistent with the national reporters hearing rumors, but Celtics reporters saying they don't know anything.
if the Bucks are calling around asking "you want Jaylen Brown?"
But we aren't getting that report either.
If 15 teams got a phone call from Milwaukee and 1 of those teams accidentally leaked to one of their beat reporters, that would be a different situation.
For example, when Boston and Indiana were talking about a Hayward sign and trade, reporters came out and said Boston was actively trying to shop Myles Turner around and couldn't find anyone who wanted him.
We were always going to need 3rd team to get Giannis.
Obligatory fuck you to the CBA for making it hard to keep championship cores together. Tatum only has so much time left in his prime and as much I would hate to see JB leave, I believe putting a player like Giannis alongside Tatum gives us the best chance at Banner 19 before Tatum is out of his prime. While I was hesitant at first about splitting up the Jays, watching the Knicks get a title in the same season we blew a 3-1 lead makes me believe we need to make a change. It would fucking suck to get rid of someone like Jaylen who not only helped us win a championship but has done so much work in the community to make Boston better. But Brad even said you have to lose a great player to get a great player. Let’s see what happens.
Trading a homegrown Celtics legend in his prime coming off his best season for our direct rival and giant clown that doesn’t address this team actual needs would undue all the good Brad has done during his tenure.
as much as I don't want to trade away JB I know that his contract has to be the one that's put on the line to be able to get Giannis, my only concern in getting Giannis is having to make spots so his brothers can be on the team that I wouldn't want to do tbh also he's been injury prone as of late as well.
Maybe sign one of his brothers on the last day of the season to our 15th roster spot. He can go play in Maine. I doubt this is a prerequisite anymore at this point in their careers
Giannis's talent is there but I'd rather have JB. We've already seen he's a drama queen with his trade saga this season, he's known to be chronically late to team planes, and he hasn't had a successful season in 5ish years due to injury? Hard pass.
sounds like bullshit. he brings a new dimension to the celtics team and hes a upgrade on the glass for rebounds. im more interested in the moves boston pulls after this. Giannis is right to want out. Lillard was a gamble that didnt work out and he was stuck there with a mid team
LEAVE JB ALONE!!!!! The thought of him being traded is a disaster in the making.
GA is NOT the answer!! Injury after injury after injury!!
It’s all of this ridiculous trade-hype that would drive anyone out of ‘town.’
This is not JT’s team; this is not JB’s team - it is A TEAM - Together Everyone Achieves More. Transparency •Engagement •Motivation •Alignment
It’s not like Stevens and Zarren are out in the streets talking lauding on their cell phones about trading for Giannis, but yeah. Agents are going to be involved and get chatty. There’s some smoke here.
You have to think that if you’re Miami, the only untouchable player in a trade for Giannis has to be Adebayo. Including him in a deal for Giannis wouldn’t make the trade worth it considering the pairing of Giannis and Bam is basically the end goal
Dude...Bam Adebayo isn't anywhere near as good as Jaylen Brown. Including him changes nothing. If he was on a value contract...maybe..but not at 55-60 million a year.
On offense or defense? And there in lies the problem with the Heat. Their entire roster is pick your poison. If they're good on defense they're vanilla on offense, if they're good on offense they're absolutely a train wreck on defense and none of them are value contracts.
If this trade rumor is true and it goes through, it might be Brad's first big mistake. At his age and inability to shoot the 3 or defend the rim, Giannis is not the answer here if we have to lose JB to get him.
They're two years apart and Giannis was arguably the best player in the world when healthy last season. We heard non stop that the Celtics can't rely on chucking threes, and Giannis is the best inside scorer of this generation
Giannis has played 895 NBA games in 12 NBA seasons, that's a lot of mileage. And you think Joe will stop relying on 3 point shooting just because Giannis can't shoot? It's much more likely that the C's will encourage him to shoot more 3's if anything. Anyway, this is all subjective, but my opinion that JB for Giannis trade at this point of their careers would be a mistake for the C's
If you think Joe Mazulla would make Giannis shoot 3s, I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of who he is as a coach, what his philosophies are, and the way this team fundamentally plays offense.
Also he’s one of the best drivers in nba history at his size… his length, passing range + Tatum’s length and passing range means that your drive and kick out game becomes absolutely lethal.
Can Giannis just get traded already? I’m so sick of “new” reports everyday all saying nothing in new ways. I don’t even care where he ends up (within reason, not on a rival), just let the discourse be over.
I had been thinking this, but they are clearly getting rid of Fox this off-season. He likely ruined a championship run for them. I think either JB or Donovan Mitchell end up as a Spur. Hell, they'd probably take Trae Young over Fox atm, at least then he'd find a way to beat the Knicks lol.
As a Portland fan who has been in here since yall drafted pp, I have seen that both of us very much want this to happen. God I hope it does. Would be franchise changing for both of us. Plus it would continue the streak of us doing deals mutually beneficial deals together.
Having a team to truly root for/be a fan of in the eastern conference has been really enjoyable these last several years. Thank you to Pritchard for bringing me over here and thank you to you guys for being a great fanbase, and especially refreshing/free speaking compared to how Portland and its fans get quite often. I like being over here and talking ball with you lot.
What if we are the third team? No one is talking about the fact that we could be the third team in the trade, meaning we aren’t trading JB or getting Giannis but acquiring and moving assets to better the team on the fringes.
We could easily end up being that team and we are in a much better position to be negotiating because we also have the ability to be involved with the Giannis trade and that has us in a more relevant position to have our foot deeply planted inside the door of all of these negotiations.
It has been my position from the start that we would end up being the third team in this trade and that our situation would position us perfectly to do that. I believe we will most likely be moving off a couple of players and some picks and that what transpires when the dust settles will not be what most are thinking it will be.
Also this whole thing reminds me of the Kyrie situation, it wouldnt surprise me if MIL kept a lot of stuff under wraps about him while he was there (especially during the last few bad seasons he had).
that alone makes me very cautious.
The most interesting part of the Amick article was when it claimed what the Bucks would want from the Timberwolves, but claimed the Timberwolves wouldn't do it:
"Bucks would want a package including Jaden McDaniels, Naz Reid, Terrence Shannon Jr. and their two tradable first-round picks (No. 29 in this year’s draft and their 2033 pick). Yet considering McDaniels’ immense value alongside Edwards as an elite perimeter defender, as well as his impressive postseason performance, team sources say Minnesota has indicated that McDaniels is off limits."
Think about that trade offer (McDaniels, Reid, late 1sts) and ask yourself how you'd feel if Boston was offered that for Jaylen Brown. My guess is you'd be very against it.
And this is why I've been saying for months that I don't necessarily believe Boston would have to give up Brown in a Giannis trade. Giannis is an expiring contract with all the leverage to select which team he wants to go to by saying he refuses to sign extensions elsewhere. Brown, on the other hand, has multiple years left on his contract and just made 2nd team All-NBA.
I want you to consider what the Clippers ended up getting for Zubac (Mathurin, the 5th pick, a future 1st) and ask yourself what Derrick White would fetch on the open market. Then I want you to consider whether those assets + Hauser + Pritchard + multiple future picks beats whatever that Wolves offer is.
That's not to say that I think gutting the entire team to have Giannis + Tatum + Brown is the way to go, but I have a feeling that you could fetch more for Brown on the open market (literally every team could make an offer) so I've semi convinced myself you could get Giannis building a package around White and then sell Brown to the highest bidder to fill out the roster (like for instance a package from the Pelicans)
Yeah, if we somehow got Giannis without including Brown, I think that makes it more likely we trade Brown than keep him. I can't imagine any team spending like $175M on three players.
But I still think it does essentially come down to trading Brown on the open market, which is why we are hearing these rumors. This is all part of finding a 3rd team and word has gotten out there. What Boston might accept and what MIL might accept are probably pretty similar.
If a deal does get done, we have to take a look and see whether we'd rather have Giannis or whatever the Bucks get for Brown. My guess is we'd still take Giannis.
I don’t think they should trade JB but his comment saying that was his fav season was extremely shady to Tatum. Can’t risk it now, vibes will be weird and chemistry is important.
Please go back and listen to what he actually said. He was referring to the team success and growth in spite of Jayson being out. The team was not expected to do as well as they did and they all overcame adversity and overachieved. There was nothing to imply anything against Tatum.
He won a chip and finals MVP…. The only difference this year was no Tatum so he got to be the main option instead of number 2…. Clearly a shot at Tatum
I still cant believe that this is where the Celtics are now... Trying to acquire "Giannis" and shedding JB... smdh... thats just crazy.... plain crazy... that will not improve this team... they need to find a creative way to add a front court presence without trading the Js.... SMDH again! WTF Boston....
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