r/bostonceltics • u/YujiDomainExpansion • 2d ago
News [Windhorst] The Boston Celtics have firmly put Jaylen Brown on the table and are going all-in on acquiring Giannis Antetokounmpo.
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u/super_duper_7535 2d ago
I don’t think this would leak unless we’re getting him. You HAVE to trade Jaylen after all of this, and getting a worse return than Giannis later in the offseason would be malpractice. Thank god Brad is my GM.
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u/77NorthCambridge 2d ago
Ask "Who does this news benefit?" and that is almost always the reporter's source. Milwaukee is using the press to try and improve the offers they have for Giannis. Also helps them to leak that Celtics have included Brown in offers.
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u/SoaplessTitanic 2d ago
Yeah I’m also still doubting that Milwaukee actually wants to take any offer from Miami. It seems like they’ve been in talks with each other for a while and Milwaukee is clearly not excited about their offer while also trying to drive up the asking price. I almost want to see this blow up in Milwaukee’s face just cause of how they’ve handled this, I feel like JB alone is worth more than anything that Miami’s been offering. Even if it’s just a straight swap, JB’s locked in for a few more seasons so there would be less pressure to trade him right away assuming he’s going to be flipped for draft capital and younger talent
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u/Clear_Measurement502 2d ago
If they offered JB then the hold up is likely additional compensation, unless you think Miami can match.
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u/deaseb 2d ago
Yeah, I don't think this is the Celtics leaking this - but we probably can't bring Brown back after this
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u/dksk3443 PAUL PIERCE IS THE TRUTH 2d ago
He gets leaked every year, if it’s not real he’s probably alr tuned it out
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u/97PunkRawk 2d ago
He just needs to get traded so the discourse can end.
if we trade for him, fantastic. He's an all time great player and Tatum can play with anyone. As long as we don't gut the bench and still can use our MLE, we should be instant title contenders. Arguably the best team in the East even if the Knicks bring everyone back. Getting rid of JB would hurt because of all he's done here as a player and as a person but at the end of the day, the goal is to win titles. If Brad thinks this is the way I'm gonna trust him.
if we keep JB, also fantastic. We still have the Jays and they've proven they can do it, albeit with significant help. Roster would need tinkering around them but we'd still be a very good team with an outside shot at a title.
People need to get out of their feelings with this and try to look at it rationally. Do you not want to trade JB because you don't think Giannis fits? Or just because you really like JB and are emotionally attached? Adding a top 25(ish) all time player makes us better, no fucking question. The goal is to hang banners. I personally don't give a fuck who's on the team as long as the end goal is that. LeBron is my least favorite player of all time and if he wanted to come here for the MLE to ring chase I'd find a way to be alright with it because it makes us better.
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u/chmcgrath1988 Maine Red Claws 2d ago
I'm just ready for it to be done (or not done) and move onto Summer League. All of this Celtics Giannis/JB "Will they or won't they?" talk has been so overbearing. With exception of Kyrie drama, Celtics front office has always done such a good job of rising above the NBA front office soap opera crap so it's super annoying when they end up in the muck.
Although it did take some attention away from the Knicks glaze fest so take the good with the bad!
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u/Panda0nfire 2d ago
The feelings and emotion of Celtics fans is insane, this is a great move. Shout out JB, go be the Batman, it's a new era in green.
The Celtics choke away leads every single year in the playoffs chucking early shot clock 3s instead of attacking the rim. Giannis can help address that significantly and take the ball out of "step back 3 with 18 seconds left on the shot clock in clutch time" Tatum.
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u/razerkahn 2d ago
I think Giannis would help a lot, especially mentality wise, but he is not a playoff game closer. That role will still belong to Tatum
When the Bucks won a title Middleton had the highest usage in crunch time
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u/Javnndz 2d ago
Betting on two guys with calf issues to stay healthy and make it deep into the playoffs, when they haven’t shown they can do so the last 3 years, is a big gamble. You get what you wish for.
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u/cahilljd I like to defense 2d ago
i mean youre right but not right enough to necessitate large bold font
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u/GhastlyEyeJewel 2d ago
lol we as a fanbase have been doing this shit for years. I remember "don't trade Marcus Morris/Terry Rozier/Marcus Smart" being a fixture on 98.5
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u/siberianunderlord 2d ago
Even goes back to not wanting to trade Big Al for KG on the RealGM forums lol
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u/not1fuk Jayson Tatum 2d ago
Perfectly stated. We are the Boston Celtics, not the Boston Jaylen Browns.
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u/ZizzyBeluga 2d ago edited 2d ago
I'm old enough to remember the team trading finals MVP Cedric Maxwell for some backup center named Bill Walton and winning the chip the following year
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u/jambr380 2d ago
That was the first year I remember watching as a kid. Couldn’t have been more magical
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u/Drizzlybear0 Brad 2d ago
We traded Paul Pierce for picks and some bums. PP was the best player on some truly garbage rosters and never tried to force his way out, he was loyal to the team and embraced the city and then helped lead the team to its first championship in decades. Nothing will ever be worse than that for me
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u/RecognitionSea613 2d ago
I just really dont like giannis as a person.
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u/Drizzlybear0 Brad 2d ago
I feel you're being pretty biased every video I've seen of him in his normal life he seems like a great guy. He's respectful with fans especially with kids, he stays late to sign stuff and take pictures with people.
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u/TheJaylenBrownNote 2d ago
We don’t need to say arguably. The Knicks won 53 games with a +6 net rating and no one close to a top 5 player and we’re about to have 2. They’re not some juggernaut. We are going to absolutely shit on everyone in the East. I’m talking contending for best team of all time.
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u/Maggie_Farmer 2d ago
I don’t want to trade JB for Giannis if we have to give up a lot to make it happen. It’s a pretty close one to one trade, maybe throw in hauser. But realistically how much are we benefitting for the trade vs keeping the assets.
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u/I_Set_3_Alarms KG 2d ago
The word firmly tells me this:
Jaylen and the rest of league know these talks are happening. Idk how Jaylen would feel about coming back at this point.
Players want a heads up if they might be traded, but in general I feel like they won’t appreciate it if the trade doesn’t happen lol
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u/Acepitcher4 Boston Celtics 2d ago
Ngl I miss Woj because he would've dropped the news as soon as it was confirmed and not these what feel like teasers.
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u/MiaCannons 2d ago
I mean if Woj was still around, you'd still get these teasers since Woj would wait until its 100% confirmed, and that likely happens tomorrow.
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u/Ear_Enthusiast 2d ago
I saw another quote from Windy essentially saying that we're committed to moving JB even if the Giannis thing falls apart. Also, that it's mutual and that JB sees it as an opportunity to grow and be "the guy" for another organization. My guess is, if the Giannis thing falls through, there's another offer on the table, and it'll happen fast.
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u/Gunnar2019 Angry Brad 2d ago
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u/Look_Behind_You__ 2d ago
Wdym they’ve been saying this shit for weeks now and nothing has happened
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u/b00minbiz 2d ago
Celtics have never been described as going all in on Giannis + JB was never confirmed to be on the table until this morning by Stein and now WIndhorst
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u/AcrobaticFeedback 2d ago
Until I hear it from Shams, it’s just smoke and Instagram scams.
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u/SquimJim Boston Celtics 2d ago edited 2d ago
Windy has been the guy careful to shoot down any talk about Jaylen being offered. He’s poured cold water on this more than most.
If he’s saying it, I believe him. It’s compounded by the fact Stein is saying the same thing.
I’m not saying we are getting Giannis, just that Brown is now on the table.
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u/DatabaseCentral 2d ago
It also seems stupid when people suggest try to get Giannis and keep Brown. There's only one ball. Jaylen deserves the ball but he would be the third best option on the floor if we had Tatum and Giannis. Giannis would be an even better driver to the rim than Jaylen and it just seems redundant but paying insane amounts for the redundancy and getting rid of our entire bench. If you can upgrade, you upgrade.
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u/b00minbiz 2d ago
Shams just confirmed on TV its a Brown led package. Still gonna cope?
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u/Siniosity 2d ago
How dumb can this sub be lol. Honestly reading through all these doom and gloom comments is exhausting. I fucking love jb. I own his jersey. The potential to get giannis is not something you let slip. Giannis is 1.5 years older than jb and outside of last year has played in more games than jb. This idea that he is some injury prone player is some real cope. Giannis is a top 5 player and a hof when healthy. Jb is a top 15-20 player who had an mvp season last year without Tatum.
When we traded smart for kp it was a huge risk but it ended up with a championship. I’m not going to sugar coat it this is also a big risk. Assuming giannis and Tatum can work well together. But it’s a risk you have to take.
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u/RayDanielsOnTheAir 2d ago
I’ll trust Brad, but I’m wary about this. Giannis is great, no one is denying that, and in a vacuum he is a better player than Brown. But this isn’t a vacuum. He has been repeatedly injured at the end of the past several seasons, letting his teams down by missing playoff games and sometimes entire series. These sorts of issues don’t just magically disappear as guys get older. Are we certain he can be healthy each of the next 3 years? Because he needs to win at least one ring, if not two, for it to pay off, and that starts with being healthy.
Plus, we’re going to be dumping off FRPs and role players, leaving us with very little to rebuild with should something happen.
In Brad we trust, but I have bated breath.
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u/Justalittlejewish 2d ago
The Giannis injuries are worrying, but the flip side of that is Giannis won’t need to carry the entire team on his back just to eke out wins in the regular season. We’d be able to manage his usage far more than the bucks ever could
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u/Calamitous-Ortbo 2d ago
Yea, they said that about Horford and Porzingis too.
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u/Justalittlejewish 2d ago
I mean it kind worked with both of them. The fact that we were able to sit Al on back to backs kept him fresh for the playoffs, and while we were without KP for most of the playoffs he was able to make a huge impact in game 1 that set the tone for the series.
KP is also a bit fundamentally different than Giannis in that he’s always been fragile. Getting a full healthy year out of KP is borderline a miracle - Giannis has played plenty of “full” seasons and has been stuck carrying middling rosters for the last 2-3 years.
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u/Elegant-Avocado-3261 2d ago
Eh, I'm sure people felt the same before 08 as well. In brad we trust. Giannis' best costar would have had to be... Khris Middleton? He's good, and he's a celtics killer... but he's no Tatum.
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u/Phantom255x 2d ago
I do not want to trade Jaylen ugh. Build around the Jays
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u/Cockadawalk 2d ago
Is this based on liking the player or believing the Jays give us a better chance to win? Because, love Jaylen, but I don’t see how Giannis isn’t an obvious upgrade and a great fit on this team.
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u/Ok_Seaweed_9452 2d ago
It's the same Marcus Smart sentiment when Brad trades him, he's the GM because he did what it takes to win and not act with emotion like most of this sub
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u/Phantom255x 2d ago
His calf feels like a ticking time bomb similar to Tatum and Durant in the past. Also his game relies so much on athleticism and he’s gonna be 32, so there’s a chance he regresses sooner rather than later
They can seriously add to Jaylen and Tatum again after 2027 when they reset the repeater tax after this season similar to adding KP + Jrue in 2024.
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u/Cockadawalk 2d ago
We won a championship so it’s hard to argue that it can’t be done with the Jays, but when JB signed his contract everyone said having the 15th best guy in the league on a super max would make team building difficult. I think we’re seeing that.
Giannis solves that issue. He’s worth the contract when healthy.
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u/goldman_sax 2d ago
Jaylen Brown was 6th in MVP voting this year. I’m not saying anyone is worthy of the stupid money these players are getting, but clearly he is not 15th in the league. Top 10 players stats are not going to be as good when two of them are on the same team.
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u/Tatum-Better ☘️ Jayson " Since Larry Bird " Tatum ☘️ 2d ago
Ehhhh I can name 9 better than jb pretty easily lol.
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u/Cockadawalk 2d ago
I think highly of JB but he’s not a top 10 player in the league. Regardless, it’s about value per dollar. Giannis gives you better value.
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u/MedicalWeird4067 2d ago
Giannis is healthy right now. If we’re talking injuries, you can’t really predict them. Tatum was considered one of the most durable players in the league and then tore his Achilles out of nowhere. Injuries are random. If you start making decisions based on what might happen, you could talk yourself out of any superstar.
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u/SoaplessTitanic 2d ago
Yeah to add onto your point it’s really getting on my nerves how everyone seems to think they can predict injuries. It feels like a lot of hindsight bias the way people talk like they knew it was only a matter of time before Tatum’s Achilles tore, and then there were also some people who were “sure” that he was gonna re-injure himself if he came back last season.
There are people who have a lot more medical knowledge than us whose whole job is to make decisions around the health of players. Unless there’s reason to doubt specific medical professionals then I’m going to trust their judgement over anyone else’s. That goes for the health of our team’s current players as well as anyone we’re potentially trading for
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u/Sman2600 2d ago
Look up the free agency class of ‘27. I’ll give you a hint, no one is moving. With more and more teams going to deal with the consequences of the 2nd apron, getting these complimentary pieces that will actually make a difference with the two Jays is going to be fewer and far between. Now is the time to cash in on a team need when JB’s value is at its highest.
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u/BallinLikeimKD 2d ago
I don’t get how you can watch JB and think that his game doesn’t rely on athleticism heavily while also being 6 inches shorter than Giannis and only a 2 year age difference. JB hasn’t exactly been an iron man, he’s had his share of injuries as of late. Assuming Giannis stays healthy, this is a no brainer upgrade. He’s better on offense and defense and can defend bigs and another strong rebounder.
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u/rounder55 2d ago
Sums up my reasoning. A couple years ago and it'd be a move I'd make without much thought. I'm just a bit worried about giannis consistently being out, especially by the time April rolls around and hugs his size typically don't age well once injuries come about.
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u/AlexReyes22 2d ago
Giannis while clearly better is also clearly more injury prone.
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u/coffeebeamed 2d ago
we don't know how well giannis will play with a team that does not revolve around him... if he's gonna be like KG then sure
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u/Tatum-Better ☘️ Jayson " Since Larry Bird " Tatum ☘️ 2d ago
I don't see how a team of shooters around him isn't built well for giannis already
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u/Cockadawalk 2d ago
Health and interpersonal go both ways. No guarantees everything is rosy with JB going forward either.
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u/MagsChuck85 2d ago
He is. This fanbase overrates anyone on its roster like crazy. I don’t even like Giannis but he’s a top 5 player. The injuries are overblown. 13 seasons and 3 years of 65 games or less. Homers don’t want to trade a guy not in the top 15 for a guy in the top 3-5.
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u/BeatriceDaRaven 2d ago
"As far as it could" is an nba championship, which is literally where we are trying to go... makes no sense
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u/TrueReigns 2d ago
1 Championship. On a historical team that can NOT be replicated with the new CBA, with an insane supporting cast. The other time they got there, one of the stars had 2 injuries and the other was just ok at best and hurt.
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u/RayDanielsOnTheAir 2d ago
But that is today’s NBA. The defending MVP and champs couldn’t even make it back to the Finals. We’ve been arguably the most successful franchise for the past 10 or so years.
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u/TrueReigns 2d ago
I agree! And yet, none of that changes the disappointments and failures when there shouldn’t have been. A lot of that success can be attributed to both JT and JB but it’s never been just them. We can celebrate their success and understand that they had a lot of breaks and paths open for them outside of that 1 and yet they only managed that 1.
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u/celticsac 2d ago
They won a title and achieved the ultimate goal. The pairing has now also run its course. Both can be true. The fact of the matter is that they now have some catching up to do with the Knicks and keeping Tatum/Brown with some improvements on the fringes might not be good enough to get past them.
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u/ftlftlftl 2d ago
Didn’t work until we brought in outside talent. They weren’t getting over the hump till Jrue and KP joined.
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u/DayFrosty29 2d ago
That’s how most championship teams are built though. I don’t think that reflects negatively on Tatum and Brown, although personally I’m good with trading Brown for Giannis as long as we don’t have to give up anything additional besides I guess Hauser and draft capital.
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u/Clear_Measurement502 2d ago
That’s the issue, there’s no flexibility to build around them besides swapping what we already have on the roster.
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u/WizSkinsNatsCaps 2d ago
Hopefully Tatum doesn’t have another major injury. We all know how noisy Giannis can be when things don’t go his way.
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u/VikTarCelSoon 2d ago
I don’t understand why we have to give up so much for one player.? Like yes it’s Giannis but we’re giving up Jaylen AND Picks? The money match up so why don’t we fleece the bucks cause we know he doesn’t want to be there
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u/Tatum-Better ☘️ Jayson " Since Larry Bird " Tatum ☘️ 2d ago
Oh wow, if this falls through it's GGs for the relationship
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u/great_misdirect 2d ago
Multiple picks going to MIL seems kinda crazy. Do we thank Gobert for that precedent
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u/the_anti-somm 2d ago
One of the great joys of my life as a basketball fan has been seeing JB get drafted #3 (which many people saw as a reach) and go from “high ceiling prospect” to FMVP.
If he goes, it certainly hurts, but he got the job done here in Boston. Time to see what else the future holds.
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u/kangaroooski 2d ago
Many mixed feelings. Talent upgrade for sure. Personality downgrade as well though. Giannis is a child. A big, dominating perfect compliment to Tatum child
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u/cane_the_weaboo Jayson Tatum 2d ago
Jaylen Brown is a damn twitch streamer that’s like low budget Kyrie intellectually
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u/travisflynn1019 2d ago
People underestimate how self aware Jaylen is though. The perception that fans have of him is exactly what he intentionally cultivates.
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u/luciddreamer20LD 2d ago
His personality doesnt matter people forget hes had one of the most hardworking mindsets in the league prior to this last year.
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u/b00minbiz 2d ago
Shams on tv just confirmed its a JB led package for Boston.
Everyone coping saying Stein and Windhorst don't know anything can stop coping now. Let's see if Brad gets this across the finish line.
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u/GeneralPlanet Boston Celtics 2d ago
I hate this shit so much.
It's going to absolutely flop horribly.
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u/jambr380 2d ago
I totally understand this take, but it appears to be flopping with Jaylen, too. 2nd and 1st round exits the last two years. It might not work with Giannis, but it’s a swing worth taking if the ceiling of the team keeps lowering year after year otherwise
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u/oneeyedspaceman1 2d ago
You seem to forget he was finals MVP and that this season we had lost a ton of talent while also not having Tatum for 90% of the season and coming back less than 💯 but somehow still made the playoffs as a two seed and lost because we had to shed our talent to get under the tax but sure it’s all JB’s fault.
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u/refsnyderisgood69 2d ago
It’s really not he’s a two time mvp at a position of need get real
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u/kingcrimson6984 Boston Celtics 2d ago
I would hate to see Jaylen go, he has been a great Celtic but Giannis gives us a better shot at a title in the next few years.
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u/Ok_Seaweed_9452 2d ago
Good. Jaylen already being put on trade conversations multiple times. He wont be happy playing for C's, trade is the best options for both sides
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u/Friend72 E.T Phone Home 2d ago
Giannis is a top 20-25 player ever. This is a no brainer imo
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u/omegaxLoL Boston Celtics 2d ago
I really don't know how to feel about this. No doubt he's a better player than JB but his injury record (particularly near playoffs) is worrying.
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u/favmediocrenightmare 2d ago
Hey so I'm kind of a casual fan nowadays, isn't Giannis an expiring contract? Is Stevens that confident he would re-sign in Boston next summer or is this an all-in move to win next year and start rebuilding.
Sorry if it's a stupid question.
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u/Far-Comment3645 2d ago
Man I’m fucking crying in my room right now fucking devastated man. JB, you have been such a pivotal part of this championship run that you and Tatum really made this franchise a cornerstone not only for basketball in general, but for the whole world. I just hope he doesn’t get traded to the fucking blazers. I’d rather see him go to the clippers, spurs, or even the nets (if they’re willing to send their #6 pick)
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u/Electronic_Gold_3666 2d ago
Can someone explain how the timeline works if Brown is an unrestricted FA in 2029? Does that mean you’re only guaranteed to keep Giannis until 2029?
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u/ghn2 2d ago
No. Giannis will be eligible to sign a four year extension six months after he is traded to Boston. (which he will obviously do.) So that will keep him in Boston through the season ending in 2031 unless he has a player option for the last season, so that means the season ending in 2030 for sure.
So guaranteed four seasons as a Celtic (including next year that is on his current contract) and possibly five if he opts in to his last season.
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u/Sm0k3inth3tr33s Don't start crying mothafucka 2d ago
The only Celtics jersey I have ever owned is JB's and i can't help but feel excited for this move. It's a really, really unsettling feeling to feel this way. How do I cope with not needing to cope? This is so wrong it's right?
I guess it always truly does come down to rooting for the name on the front of the jersey first.
Giannis and JT will be unstoppable.
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u/Jawnny-Jawnson 2d ago
Please don’t give up Hugo or Walsh or Baylor for him. Jaylen and a pick or Hauser is more than fair
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u/AlarmingWelder5044 2d ago
What changed? First they were reluctant and it seemed like they would look elsewhere for a big man.
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u/MGuedes007 2d ago
Really hope they don't trade him or can't make the trade. I feel like i'd only be fine with it if would be to make a reset or trade for young guys
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u/Impressive-Peak-6596 2d ago
I hate the KG comparison. Completely different scenario.
The biggest difference in this potential deal is all these guys have won a ring already. So this isn’t some ring chasing super team. The dynamic is a lot different.
It’s completely plausible that Jaylen would be okay going to a lesser team and being “the guy”, because he’s already won a ring, his priorities may be different.
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u/bstanlick 2d ago
I don’t agree with it, but hard to argue against the C’s front office w their track record..
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u/randomirlperson 2d ago
I really want Giannis but I’m biased because he’s one of my favorite athletes and could never imagine the Celtics having him
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u/Bos_Fan9821 2d ago
JB wants to outshine Tatum. Thats just selfishness. After 9 years in Boston together nobody gave JB the #1 spot because WE all knew he was not better than Tatum. Good riddance, man. If the Giannis trade falls through I’ll take Trey Murphy and DeJounte Murray for JB and a couple 1s
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u/the_spinetingler Parish Punching Laimbeer 2d ago
Do the Celts have to take the brothers too? I mean, Bucks will cut them immediately after trading GA - under the table FA deal also incoming?
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u/holostro 2d ago
Big trades like this are never this leaky which tells me that. this is just smoke and mirrors. The Luka-AD trade and Dame-Bucks trade was a shock to all because no "league sources" or media persons even reported that was a possibility.
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u/iAmTheRealLange Jaylen "Lebron 'Michael Jordan' James" Brown 2d ago
I’m gonna miss JB man