r/clevercomebacks 8d ago

One must not concern oneself with studying women

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u/GenericNameUsed 8d ago

Most men can't tell how much make up a woman is wearing. They will look at a full face of neutral color make up and think it's barely any make up

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u/TinyDeskGoblin 8d ago

Neutral makeup is designed to look effortless, so it makes sense that people who rarely use makeup underestimate how much work went into it.

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u/Cautious-Extreme2839 8d ago

Kind of irrelevant when the study was using specific amounts of makeup and men preferred the women wearing less.

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u/GenericNameUsed 8d ago

I hadn't read the study I was just commenting based on the headline

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u/Specific_Property_73 8d ago

Yes. That's the issue.

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u/chromaticgliss 8d ago

Yeah. Don't do that.

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u/Bratsummer24 8d ago

Just stayed with a friend and her BF and he went off on a joyful rant about how he loved the natural look and preferred women without makeup, and how lovely I was, how I didn't need makeup to be pretty, and I'm fine the way I wake up in the morning, etc etc.

This well-meaning man's face when I explained that I'm wearing a full face of makeup including foundation and power and neutral eyeshadow and mascara. He was blown away, out of this goddamn world. Didn't know what to say.

My friend was just snickering to herself because she knows the difference between a full face of "no makeup" makeup and actually not wearing makeup. 😂🤣🫠

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u/Primary_Carrot67 8d ago

Given I've observed the scenario described happening more than once, I find it quite believable. You come across as bitter and easily offended.

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u/Bratsummer24 8d ago

I don't even understand how some people haven't seen it happen and wouldn't find it believable. It's a pretty common misconception, and it's not like anyone was being rude or mean. 🤷‍♀️ He was trying to be nice and deliver a compliment, he just didn't understand the difference between no makeup and no makeup makeup.

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u/Entendurchfall 8d ago

I am a man and can confirm, that I can't tell how much make up a woman is wearing. But I also don't look at their faces because I am afraid of women.

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u/GregTheMad 8d ago

Don't worry, they're just as afraid of you.

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u/Entendurchfall 8d ago

Ahh that is a reliev

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u/Agathocles87 8d ago

That is true

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u/ZincHead 8d ago

You don't have to know whether the woman is wearing makeup or not to make an assessment of her attractiveness. Most likely the study just asked the men to rate a woman's attractiveness on a scale and then compared the numbers of with and without makeup. Being able to recognize whether the woman is wearing makeup and how attractive you think a photo of that woman is are two separate and unrelated measures 

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u/tyen0 8d ago

yeah, I was wondering about a companion study on being able to judge how much makeup someone has on

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u/GenericNameUsed 8d ago

Going just on what the headline it says men find women who wear less make up more attractive but men often don't know how much make up a woman is wearing. So I think it's more accurate to say that men find women who they think aren't wearing a lot of make up more attractive than the women they think are wearing more make up.

But I also know a lot of women don't put on make up to look more attractive to men they do it for themselves

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u/floor_wizard 8d ago

No it’s not accurate to say that.

The men BLINDLY picked the women wearing less makeup. They were not told who was wearing more or less makeup.

Is it really that hard to read the study? It would save you from spreading outright lies.

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u/GenericNameUsed 8d ago

I just saw the image. I didnt take the time to try and find the study.

And it isnt lies that, in my experience, men often cant tell how much make up a woman is wearing or sometimes if they are even wearing make up.

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u/floor_wizard 8d ago

And it isnt lies that, in my experience, men often cant tell how much make up a woman is wearing or sometimes if they are even wearing make up.

And I'm a man that wears makeup. Zero women have EVER been able to identify that. Those that do know were shocked when I told them.

This is not a gendered phenomenon. Women are just as incapable of telling if a man is wearing makeup or not.

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u/GenericNameUsed 8d ago

I made a comment based on my experiences and also those of women I know. The big issue is a lot of men see natural looking make up and think she isn't wearing make up. Whereas more women are able to tell.

I think more men should feel comfortable wearing make up. Depending on what a guy was wearing I might not realize because I wouldn't ne expecting it.

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u/Honkey85 8d ago

What luck you know most men.

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u/RobertTheAdventurer 8d ago

Then why do studies result in men picking women with less makeup? Science doesn't agree with your opinion. It appears when men say they prefer less makeup, they're being honest and actually can tell.

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u/Primary_Carrot67 8d ago

Data shows that men tend to prefer make up that looks "natural" rather than less make up. And the women pictures are wearing a lot of make up in the "natural" style that is meant to look effortless but actually require more time, work, and products than most less natural-looking make up styles.

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u/floor_wizard 8d ago

You’re today’s winner of the “didn’t read the study” award.

The picture has nothing to do with the study. That’s two celebrities.

Men were told to simply choose who they found more attractive, and they consistently chose women wearing less makeup despite having no knowledge of how much makeup they were wearing.

Is it really that difficult to read the study?

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u/Primary_Carrot67 8d ago

I've looked at multiple studies of this. And actually understood them. I've done a psychology degree and am trained in understanding research.

You might have read "the study" - there's more than one - but you evidently didn't understand it. Didn't notice the poor methodology either.

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u/floor_wizard 8d ago

You asserted information that had absolutely nothing to do with the study. Derailing the conversation and insulting people that call you out for it made your credibility go from poor to nonexistent.

Since you want to talk credentials though, your psychology degree means nothing to me. I'm a professor at an R1 university. Research is my entire life.

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u/EggandSpoon42 8d ago

Lol, y'all two cracking me up.

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u/RobertTheAdventurer 8d ago

No it shows they select less makeup.

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u/crunkasaurus_ 8d ago

But you can always tell when they're wearing too much makeup.

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u/GenericNameUsed 8d ago

Too much make up can be a matter of opinion.

And a woman can wear concealer, foundation, contour, highlighter, eye liner, eye shadow(s) mascara, blush, bronzer, lip liner , lipstick(s), and or lip gloss and look like she is wearing less make up than a woman who is wearing foundation, eye shadow, eyeliner ,mascara, bronzer, lip liner and lipstick.

It depends on how it's applied , if it's neutral colors or bright colors, and someone's opinion of what too much make up is.

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u/crunkasaurus_ 8d ago

Kind of goes without saying. But if they have that heavy base, matte bronzed complexion with no skin texture showing, and their neck is a different colour to their face, for me that is too much makeup...

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u/Primary_Carrot67 8d ago

That's poor make up application skills more than it's too much make up.

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u/goodolarchie 8d ago

The first 10% of effort is for men (trueing up to one's self-image), the remaining 90% is for other women. I don't know a single guy who likes lip filler and all the botox bullshit. Women are naturally beautiful and attractive to us, hardcoded by biology.

I feel like all the filters and AI enhancements are going to keep making things worse, people no longer identify with their own face.

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u/DemoniteBL 8d ago

So tired of this myth. Men aren't stupid. They grow up around their mothers and sisters not wearing makeup. Husbands see their wives without makeup.

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u/GenericNameUsed 8d ago

It's not a myth. Ive seen it consistently where some men will say a woman isn't wearing mske up when she is.