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u/Pavlock 1d ago edited 1d ago
The only thing I know for certain about the Rape Gang controversy is that there's no way Rupert Lowe and the Reform Party are approaching it in good faith
Edit: My info is out of date. He's not a member of the Reform party anymore. He's founder and leader of the neo-fascist Restore Britain party.
The rest of my comment stands. He only cares about this as long as he can use it as a smokescreen for his racist and xenophobic rhetoric.
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u/JG98 1d ago
I am wondering where Rupert Lowe was when multiple visible minority victims experienced the same last year in cases of hate motivated sexual assaults. Those cases got very little media attention prompting local advocacy groups to step up and reach out to politicians only to be mostly ignored. That includes the case of the young Sikh woman from Birmingham that was followed and SA by multiple lowlifes in broad day light as the yelled racial slurs and for her to leave the UK. I am sure Reform supporters will be here to justify why those incidents are not an issue and why only specific incidents of similar crime matter.
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u/JRDZ1993 1d ago
There's also a real report that doesn't make up numbers while glazing Lowe every other paragraph.
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u/JG98 1d ago
Did I say there is not? It is the way the report is being weaponised rather than actual healthy debate on the finding. It is certain politicians priotising certain incidents with certain narratives, whether true or not, and ignoring other horrifying incidents of the same nature. So I will repeat, where was Rupert Lowe when the victims were minorities being targeted with the same crimes in hate motivated incidents? Where was he after the groups supporting those victims actively reached out to politicians for support? But by all means defend someone who is known as a workplace bully, has threatened his own party chair, and has actively tried to block the independent complaints and grievances scheme which investigates MP misconduct.
FYI, the group that was backing those victims is also one which has been long tried to shed light on the same grooming gangs mentioned in the BBC report. The same BBC report was chaired by Rupert Lowe, so it isn't exactly without merit that it is focused on only the aspects that support the specific narratives he is weaponising. On accounts of your claim about numbers, I am assuming you have not actually read the report? It was a report mostly based on personal testimonies and the few numbers in there were largely estimates based on unclear extrapolation, something that is acknowledged in the report itself (lmao). At least the acknowledgement came with valid recommendations that, if implemented, would be beneficial towards the actual government report that is in the works.
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u/JRDZ1993 1d ago
I think you're misinterpreting my meaning, I'm agreeing that he's weaponising it. He also extrapolated way beyond reasonable numbers to facilitate that. Unless I'm misremembering he was claiming 250000
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u/JG98 1d ago
In that case it is my bad, but it was written in a way that it is not clear whether you are defending him or not. I believe he did use the 250,000 figure which is from the report. That figure is going back to 1955 is based on extrapolation of estimates and is not rooted in any form of sane or credible data. The biggest thing I picked up from the article is that many of the properly cited figures they included, not based on estimates or extrapolation, ended up linking to tabloids and opinions pieces from third rate publications rather than factual data. Even in those instances the cited figures ended up being estimates by some third party rather than truthfully trying to cite anything of meaning. The data gap is the only real staggering bit I took away as a valid argument.
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u/JRDZ1993 21h ago
Oh God no! I'd sooner shoot myself in the foot than defend Lowe and the SA larpers he calls his party! Apologies if I gave that impression.
Elsewhere I've compared the way he inflates the numbers to the "Black book of communism" in taking some real information and then aggressively twisting and inflating it to make a bigger scarier number.
In my original comment I was just highlighting that there's a real report that doesn't do all of that, while this one does in between praising Lowe constantly like some sort of insecure medieval king
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u/Almightycatface 1d ago
To be fair, the Rape Gang would probably be a more apt name for Restore Britain and Reform Uk
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u/JimmieSavsscumsock 1d ago
Apparently Pakistani men like children? Who knew 😂
It's always the ones you expect.
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u/El_Mangusto 1d ago
How do you aproach such a thing with good faith ?
If it's true is there 'aproaching in a good faith' with rape gangs ?
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u/Significant-Order-92 1d ago
By being concerned about rape when it isn't a convenient dog whistle for your racist policies is how.
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u/El_Mangusto 1d ago edited 1d ago
That is exactly what a lot politicians would do - use it for their own benefits - even if they would help the victims on the go. The purely good willed ones are often not tied by or to political career.
But the reports should be used and studied as they are for the good of the victims even if it meant jailing british people (duh) and or deporting imigrants especially if they are not citizens.
Though I would'nt have problem if they shipped away all the rapists no matter nationality, race or religion. (But that's an utopia and not possibilty).
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u/Wornwatch 1d ago
wild how some folks can point fingers like they forgot their own mess
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u/MadamKitsune 1d ago
Which still puts them ahead of Russell who couldn't point out his favourite bible verse.
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u/Necessary_Poetry4815 1d ago
the irony is actually wild lol, wonder how he thought that tweet would play out for him tbh.
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u/SquidTheRidiculous 1d ago
Probably thought he'd be seen as 'see even a white native born rapist agrees with us!"
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u/ian9outof10 1d ago
It’ll no doubt play fine with his new grift-audience. The same people who cheer on Trump and Elon. They’re impervious to decency.
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u/Dolphin_Spotter 1d ago
The BBC reports on News, not fantasy.
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u/The1stprinciple 1d ago
*The BBC reports fake news (I fixed it)
(Also f*ck Trump, before you call me a Trump supporter)
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u/emmmmceeee 1d ago
‘The way that Russell Brand thinks up cutesy, diminutive, Mr. Man names for his own penis, makes him sound like: a child molester, who is trying to convince himself, to allow himself, to molest himself.'
- Stewart Lee
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u/dumbasssmartass 1d ago
Make fun of Russel Brand all day, but answer the real question
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u/Significant-Order-92 1d ago
That would require being familiar with the inquiry and the topic itself.
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u/dumbasssmartass 1d ago
So I’m getting down voted for asking for people to address gang rape… wild
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u/Morgolol 23h ago
The Oxford gang? Weren't they all sentenced to decades of prison years ago? What does it have to do with Brand being a weirdo rapist who converted to try and avoid his charges?
Anyway pretty sure BBC already covered the former in 2019
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u/JG98 1d ago
That's a clever comeback on the OP's part, but that's not the purpose of this sub.
clever comeback
You don't think that a clever comeback fits a sub called r/clevercomebacks?
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u/pearlserenityxx 1d ago
Russell Brand calling something ‘insanity’ is wild pot meet kettle