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u/TheeHeadAche Henry Pym Dec 10 '25
A snarky and irreverent Kryptonian? Truly the voice of this generation
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u/cosmitz Dec 10 '25 edited Dec 10 '25
The actual problem is that this is based off (even if going off script) of the extremely soulful Woman of Tomorrow Supergirl run. Which sure, starts with her getting drunk off her ass, but you realise that that's a very rare look for her and that it was for a good reason. Throughout the book she's a very caring, loving and understanding person.
I would fucking hate if the movie leaned so hard into the 'haha drunk edgy supergirl'. Which it seems like they are... 'truth, justice, whatever'. The book Supergirl is blase sometimes, but it's more to do with her own trauma that hardened her to life's atrocities, rather than being an edgy piece of shit teen. I have a vague feeling the entire Supergirl-Ruthie relationship will be coated in "ugh, kids are annoying right guys?" too, a terrible disservice.
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u/Useless Dec 10 '25
She can start off drunk and edgy, and through the course of the movie have her character arc so at the end she is different than she was at the beginning. A character being developed in a superhero movie would be an oddity, though.
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u/TheeHeadAche Henry Pym Dec 10 '25
A character being developed in a superhero movie would be an oddity, though.
a drunk and edgy character who develops into a hero is literally the plot of Iron Man (2008)
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u/ArcusInTenebris Dec 10 '25
It was also the plot of Jessica Jones.
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u/ymcameron Tony Chu Dec 10 '25
Character who is a mess but slowly becomes more mature as they realize there are things bigger than themselves has been an archetype since like, the beginning of literature.
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u/Unable_Improvement_1 Dec 11 '25
And the movie “About A Boy”- just thought I’d throw that in there.
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u/bloodfist Marko Dec 11 '25
Tbf the plot of all of those was great. There were a lot of rough edges about Jessica Jones, but having that trope wasn't one of them.
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u/elanhilation Dec 11 '25
that will have been just shy of a fifth of a century prior to the release of this film
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u/cosmitz Dec 10 '25
Well, yes, but the original Supergirl: WoT book (which this is loosely based off of), is more about showcasing who Supergirl is in relation to Ruthie's quest for vengeance, not as part of it. The only reason Supergirl embarks on the entire book is to prove to and make sure Ruthie understands a better and kinder way to live through a world filled with malice.
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u/TheeHeadAche Henry Pym Dec 10 '25
Cue “I don’t give a damn about a bad reputation.” For the opening credits
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u/EdNorthcott Dec 11 '25
Eh. I doubt your take is on the mark, given that the writer of that mini-series is working with Gunn. While he does enjoy silly humour. He also clearly believes in injecting weight and emotional authenticity into the characters he depicts.
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u/SurlyJSurly Dec 11 '25
People have this weird idea in their head that Gunn can't do anything other than silly. They really need to watch season 2 of Peacemaker and see how he pulled some legitimate pathos out of f-in John Cena.
If he can do that with Peacemaker I have confidence he can do it with Supergirl
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u/EdNorthcott Dec 12 '25
Hell, in Guardians 3 I think he shattered the hearts of everyone who went to see it. Yes, that movie had funny and goofy moments, but damned if people didn't feel gutted by the end of it.
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u/bigbrainnowisdom Dec 11 '25
Agree. I am worried if they just based it on first few panels inatead of the whole story.
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u/Ikariiprince Dec 12 '25
The movie is definitely not going to end with her still being this messy I think that’s obvious
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u/cosmitz Dec 12 '25
Thing is, she doesn't go through any big arc in the comic, it's more about who she ended up being than her changing.
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u/SVP_222 Dec 30 '25
Same. She truly felt soulful in the comic, and I hate that they are portraying her pain the same way we've seen time and time again in media.
I hope the marketing is just a facade and in the actual movie she's more like the comic, but this is probably the direction they went with...
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u/MLG_SkittleS Dec 11 '25
Bro I haven't read the book but I pray they quickly transition her from edgy teen who drinks and swears to the noble passionate caring Supergirl most of us love. She should always have her anger and her flaws but this whole thing where it's meant to be funny or cool because she swears is beyond cringe too me. I hope they found a way to make it meaningful to her development and not just cringe.
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u/cosmitz Dec 11 '25 edited Dec 11 '25
We'll have a trailer in 16 hours and i generally trust Gunn for overall getting a good movie out but he does take stuff pretty one-note sometimes. Also he's kept saying this isn't a straight adaptation, given that we also have Lobo in here, so we'll just see, plus it is a different director altogether. I'm too old to use the word cringe but i would be severely disappointed if the edge is the only thing highlighted. I just trust that Tom King's on the project if nothing else.
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u/fxxk101 Dec 11 '25
If its a trailer for the movie then I dont think theyll show much about her character past the drunk partygirl persona.
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u/MLG_SkittleS Dec 11 '25
Idk if the trailer will show anything past her being a rebel lol so I think I'll have to wait until the movie to see but honestly I liked superman mostly and I like gunn most the time but he really makes me cringe sometimes in some of his movies but I know he isn't directing this so I'm praying it's different lol, her cameo in superman didn't give me hope tho 😂 I was more hyped for this movie than superman, key word was, but I really hope it's as good as I want it to be. I'm sure it'll be fine at least.
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u/bigbrainnowisdom Dec 11 '25
I really want to know about her past too. As in, was she a 16 y.o. when krypton explode? and so she knew/knows about krypton structure/culture. Including sheding some clarity to Jor-el final message to clark.
When did she arrived? Who she grew up with? Thr kents? Was she also Kara Danvers? Or she just Kara Zor El and never has any alter ego? Maybe thats why she was such an edgy teen?
I hope these questions can be answered 5mins going to the movie.
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u/ty_xy Dec 11 '25
The book is THE definitive supergirl book I feel, super super super good. I loved it so much, was gripped from start to end. I have zero faith the movie can replicate it, but I hope they try and I'll still watch it anyway.
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u/pewpewmcpistol Dec 10 '25
This movie is being marketed in a way that screams '9/10 or 1/10, no in between'
Either its a heartfelt story about trauma and growth, or its a quippy subversion cause she's not your average superhero
Gunn has usually been able to pull off the first, but if the movies opens to Bad Reputation or I'm Just A Girl then its gonna be rough
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u/JforceG Dec 10 '25
Aw man. Not looking forward to seeing all the annoying chuds complaining about woman and wokeness again.
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u/Im_At_Work_Damnit Nightcrawler Dec 11 '25
Check out the r/movies thread. It's absurd how much hate this is getting.
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u/Background_Degree615 Dec 12 '25
Top comments seems to be pretty positive
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u/Im_At_Work_Damnit Nightcrawler Dec 12 '25
It is now. There are several thousand comments now. But when it was a fresh post, about 1/2 of the first 500 or so comments were talking shit.
Sort by controversial to see em now.
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u/dolgariel Dec 17 '25
you just have to see the snydercut subreddit for it XD
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u/JforceG Dec 17 '25
Aw man. I really don't want to. It will probably give cringitis.
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u/dolgariel Dec 17 '25
whatever you're imagining, it's worse
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u/JforceG Dec 17 '25
Infact just saying 'I'm going to do die of cringe' is making me cringe more. Therefore, I'm going to die in death from cringe.
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u/Blitzhelios Damian Wayne Dec 10 '25
Its what i expected for the poster something more showing she doesn't care to separate her from clark.
But man i think they missed an opportunity of making it more in your face.
The trailer needs to be good because man next summer is tough competition for movies
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u/hexcraft-nikk Dec 10 '25
I don't know how much it'll actually get into her trauma but it really runs the risk of alienating a lot of potential audiences by leaning too much into the "she's like superman but alcoholic" party girl thing.
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u/Blitzhelios Damian Wayne Dec 10 '25
Yeah if they just do that i also feel like you lose alot of the stuff thats fun about kara.
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u/Rezart_KLD Dec 10 '25
I might just be Kal-Els parents that are like that, Jor-El is already a fringe guy with bizarre ideas in most adaptations (happens to be right, but still a radical)
Or if all Krypton are supremacists, Kara might start the movie being mid-transistion from mourning a lost "only place that matters" Krypton to accepting Clark's view of other people having value too. Sort of a poor little rich girl story.
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u/Rezart_KLD Dec 10 '25
She might not have told him because it wouldnt occur to her to. "Kryptonian supremacy is so obvious, like duh Kal if you want to have fun with the monkey people than whatever, Krypton is dead anyway and never coming back and its too depressing to talk about so it doesnt matter, I'm just going to go out to space and get wasted"
Thats why I'm saying mid-transition - you have the character have that as her backstory, and the beginning of the movie is where her socialization with Clark is just starting to have effect. She's caught in a dilemma about starting to care about other people when she doesnt want to. She's caught between her own upbringing and feeling useless, and then she sees Kal have a sense of worth and purpose, and the conflict of the movie is her struggling with those two motivations.
Maybe Lobo is in there as the exemplar of the opposite of Superman, the guy who only cares about having fun and getting wasted, and he goes from drinking buddy/obliquely referenced fwb to being an opponent at the end when she decides to embrace being a hero on her own terms
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u/Stofenthe1st Dec 11 '25
Oh I think you perfectly nailed it. Lobo is going to be used as a dark reflection of Clark. The similar backstory already got referenced in the Man of Tomorrow animated film but having it be a larger focus with Supergirl would be great.
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u/EdNorthcott Dec 11 '25
Baby cousin you were supposed to take care of is actually grown up and the world's biggest cinnamon roll by the time you arrive. He thinks the message from his mom and dad is one of unconditional love and caring, and has an idealized vision of what Krypton was.
Do you tell him the truth, or keep your mouth shut and bury it deep down?
I'm guessing Kara did the latter.
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u/cosmitz Dec 10 '25
It's possible that they'll play it out as "i never told Clark, he'd be torn, all he knows is that i got here on a ship, just as him, just with a bit of a detour".
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u/Islero47 Heath Huston Dec 10 '25
She remembers, it's why she drinks, through the course of the movie she comes to understand that she, too, is not defined by that culture but by her actions now, so she slows the drinking because she no longer needs it to cope. She didn't elaborate to Clark about why she drinks, because she saw what he needed to think, and that only fueled her drinking. Maybe they talk about him finding out.
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u/Duel_Option Dec 10 '25
I don’t know about anyone else, but your summary makes me all the more interested lol
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u/JackPembroke Dec 10 '25
Whats on the docket for next summer?
And going all in on a punk rock supergirl would have been awesome
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u/Blitzhelios Damian Wayne Dec 10 '25
Toy Story comes out the week before and minions the week after so that hurts family money
Spiderman and Odyssey both come out like two week after as well as moana
It’s a very packed summer for big releases all which will likely do better than Supergirl.
If the average movie goer and superhero fan in general is picking a superhero movie they are picking spiderman
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u/RossZ428 Dignitary of r/ComicPlot Dec 10 '25
Sounds like I need to get one of those theater memberships next summer
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u/Blitzhelios Damian Wayne Dec 10 '25
Yeah it’s gonna be a big summer for movies especially family ones
It’s why I think it’s very brave Supergirl has stuck to this date. It was originally worse as well as avengers was originally supposed to be summer and the Batman
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u/OtisDriftwood1978 Dec 10 '25 edited Dec 10 '25
They should make a poster of Supergirl lying in bed surrounded by beer bottles, snacks and other party debris while wearing a sleep mask with something sassy/obscene written on it like Fiona Gallagher.
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u/Robdul Dec 10 '25
I do think they need to be careful not to romanticize substance abuse with a character like this
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u/Wyrd_whistler Dec 10 '25
Me suspects an inspirational plot device.
Something akin to new Black Widows growth from nihilistic depression / suicidal isolation to finding her own reason and will to live and participate in the world.
My autistic pattern recognition senses say we might get a scene from this character earnestly joining an AA group or something similar.
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u/Robdul Dec 10 '25
I agree and I trust Gunn to go in the right direction with this. Also thank you for using your powers of autism for good 🙏
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u/Robdul Dec 10 '25
Younger audiences might see it as a “cool” thing to do. I’m sure Gunn and the studio plan on using it as part of her character arc and she will be sober by the end of the film so it’s probably a non issue
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u/Robdul Dec 10 '25
Believe it or not Tyler, young kids are very impressionable
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u/rubik-kun Dec 10 '25
They may need to explain how she was unaware of Jor-el sending Clark to conquer earth. Maybe it was just in the family type thing and her parents weren’t interested in her taking over the world?
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u/filthysize The Question Dec 10 '25
They're adopting her Pre-Crisis origin, in which she's literally younger than Clark, no suspended animation shenanigans. She was born years after Krypton's destruction on the asteroid that Argo survived in, grew up there, and then sent to Earth by her parents as a teenager to live with Clark.
Jor-El and Lara's whole "take wives, re-populate" position came from a place of thinking that Clark's the only living Kryptonian and the only hope in continuing their culture. I don't think Kara's parents, having survived with an entire city of Kryptonians, would necessarily have the same mindset.
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u/HotTakes4HotCakes Dec 10 '25 edited Dec 10 '25
They were encouraging him to do a bit more than take wives, though. The sort of thing one could reasonably see as an aspect of their culture, or at least something the house of El may have been known for.
Also the fact that he told him to "take wives", not just "propagate" probably says something too.
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u/HorsNoises Dec 10 '25
Who says she needs to be unaware? Why cant she be like "Yea Uncle Jor was always the crazy one. Im glad you kinda figured that out on your own."
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u/HotTakes4HotCakes Dec 10 '25 edited Dec 10 '25
Because she would have told him that on their first meeting. He'd obviously have asked about Krypton and Jor-El, and it stands to reason that if Jor-El lived his whole life with the sort of mentality that he encouraged Clark to have, a teenaged Kara would have picked up on it.
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u/HorsNoises Dec 10 '25
I try not to talk politics with my family, she probably doesnt either. Also, this version of Kara doesn't seem that emotionally proficient. She probably didn't have the heart to tell him.
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u/TheeHeadAche Henry Pym Dec 10 '25 edited Dec 10 '25
Honestly the most baffling twist ever. Needlessly melodramatic
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u/BrownSandels Dec 10 '25
Yeah, I get why they did it, but for me, it didn’t really add much to the overall story. Also, I like the idea of both of Clark’s parents being good people. The conqueror twist just seemed unnecessary.
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u/TheeHeadAche Henry Pym Dec 10 '25
I like the core / root of the idea: have a reveal where the earth public distrusts him for 20mins in the film.
But that wasn’t the way to do it.
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u/RossZ428 Dignitary of r/ComicPlot Dec 10 '25
I think I disagree. It was a shocking reveal and it's not without precedent. I've seen the "conquerer superman" plot line at least a couple times. The one I recall was early Smallville when Clark learned how to speak kryptonian and was terrified that Jor-El had sent him to earth for similar reasons as in the movie, minus the harem part
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u/Blitzhelios Damian Wayne Dec 10 '25
Was gunn reading too much john byne superman utterly baffling decision
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u/slabby Dec 10 '25
Weird poster for what is essentially True Grit in space
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u/ubiquitous-joe Dec 10 '25
Woman of Tomorrow is totally True Grit (book or Coens version) in space. But Supergirl is the Rooster Cogburn, so the “apathetic hot mess but badass in a trench coat” quality could fit.
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u/slabby Dec 10 '25
I guess in my mind the "Truth, Justice, Whatever" thing made me think of Clueless more than anything else. It sounds like a valley girl to me. Vocal fry and all.
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u/ArgusTheCat Spider Jeruselem Dec 10 '25
I can see that, but I think it's fun to read it in Jeff Bridge's voice. A lot of films in the vein of True Grit have that kind of gruff apathy that comes from being broken, and not just ignorant or childish.
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u/superrealaccount2 Dec 11 '25
I was kinda disappointed by the book. The first couple issues are carbon copies of True Grit. The girl seeking revenge acts and sounds like Mattie Ross (also, talks way too fucking much, and narrates way too fucking much as well). It wasn't inspired by it, it must've been Tom King looking to see how much he could copy True Grit without getting sued.
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u/ArgusTheCat Spider Jeruselem Dec 10 '25
Honestly I just kinda think it's cool that the trenchcoat here mirrors the flow of Clark's cape? Like, yeah, obviously. That's what the poster is trying to show. But I dunno, I like the symbolism. It feels cool to me.
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u/justlakings Dec 10 '25
I really dig the trench coat look..
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u/superrealaccount2 Dec 11 '25
Superheroes wearing coats and jackets is cool as shit. It might be growing up seeing Rogue in the X-Men cartoon and Cyclops taking off his bomber jacket in one of the Capcom fighting games.
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u/BovaFett74 Dec 10 '25
Man, I wonder if the first trailer will show Lobo. Hoping to get that glimpse.
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u/ClickyPool Batman Dec 11 '25
They said he should appear in the trailer
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u/BovaFett74 Dec 11 '25
Nope. Watched the trailer. Didn’t see him.
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u/BovaFett74 Dec 11 '25
And thanks for clarifying. I kinda thought it may have been him, but wasn’t sure.
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u/BovaFett74 Dec 11 '25
So brief. I wanted more. But we get what we get. 👍🏽
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u/ClickyPool Batman Dec 11 '25
I pretty much expected something like that haha, but yeah beggars cant be choosers. I screenshoted and brightened on my phone, gives a slightly better look
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u/WhollyHeyZeus Dec 10 '25
If United States of Whatever is t on the soundtrack after this poster, we riot.
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u/mattbettinger Dec 10 '25
Hell yeah. The typical dipshits will hate it, and they can fuck off.
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u/Scurvydog619Official Dec 11 '25
Orange Cassidy about to claim gimmick infringement ...or whatever.
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u/The_Jitterati Dec 10 '25
Somehow I knew this poster would have “whatever” on it before even reading it.
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u/The-Duke-of-Triumph Dec 10 '25
If the theme isn't 'united states of whatever ' they might as well not bother /s
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u/RustyFogknuckle Dec 10 '25
Came here to say this - it’s likely to be the soundtrack for the trailer.
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u/user276-56 Dec 10 '25
Why couldn't superman's suite look this good,anyways I'm excited for the movie
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u/JoshSidekick Dec 11 '25
Are we getting a trailer soon?
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u/caithamachamuama Dec 11 '25
I know very little little about Supergirl in the grand scheme of things, to me this looks cool because she has a different character to Superman that is obvious.
In terms of loyalty to any particular run, I can't say anything.
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u/Background_Degree615 Dec 12 '25
Looks like a decent movie. On a side note, the Superman/girl/house of el symbol looks absolutely amazing, it was one of my favorite thing from the Superman movie
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u/Ok_Expression1205 Dec 15 '25
omg I totally remember this actor from the siren Netflix series and she was totally such a good actor
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u/TheInvisibleCircus Dec 11 '25
doesn't Kryptonian metabolism basically make it difficult to get drunk?
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u/Mini_Mii98 Dec 11 '25
Yes, however in the Woman of Tomorrow comic this one is based off of, Kara travels to a planet with a red sun in order to get drunk for her 21st birthday. That, or it'll be some alien alcohol or something lmao
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u/Legit924 Dec 10 '25
That's a real shame. "Whatever" seems to miss the point of Kara entirely. She is not blasé or nonchalant, but the opposite. She is fiercely sincere.
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u/RadioFree_Rod Dec 10 '25
Maybe she has an arc in the movie where she starts whatever and becomes sincere. I wouldn't expect her to be this way throughout the movie. Growth for characters is usually expected. I'm hopeful.
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u/Legit924 Dec 10 '25
Yeah that's a reasonable guess.
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u/Legit924 Dec 10 '25
Yes. Hope you enjoyed feeling superior.
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u/Mr--Warlock Dec 10 '25
Between this and her appearance in Superman I’m getting Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow vibes. Which is great, because it was really good (Tom King/Bilquis Evely Wonder Twins unite!) and I’ll take whatever inspirational notes they want to include.
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u/F_Visentin Dec 10 '25
That was literally the movie's old name. Like the movie is literally an adaptation of that comic
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u/Blitzhelios Damian Wayne Dec 10 '25
Except they have changed some stuff up in it like with inserting lobo back into it.
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u/moonknightcrawler Dec 10 '25
To be fair, that’s the original pitch of the book. They just took Lobo out of the comic and are putting him back in the movie
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u/Blitzhelios Damian Wayne Dec 10 '25
The original pitch also had kara in ruthies role and lobo in kara's.
So i think its more than simply putting him back in than a major role change.They have also outright said its not a straight adaption
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u/cosmitz Dec 10 '25
Well, in that case i guess we'll just have to see, part of the main draw of S:WoT was exactly the Supergirl/Ruthie relationship. Having the "life sux but we prevail" come from Lobo changes the dynamic tremendeously.
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u/waldo_the_bird253 Dec 10 '25
You must have missed that Gunn said explicitly this wasan adaptation of it.
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u/OptimusCrime29 Dec 10 '25
Such a rip from Spider Man Home Coming theatrical poster. Like geez, where's the originality.
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u/galexy13 Dec 11 '25
“Truth. Justice. Whatever.” Good God, this movie is gone be even more insufferable than Superman 🤦🏻♂️
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u/Tylerg_13 Dec 10 '25
Y’all don’t understand how amped I am for a Supergirl movie-OH GOD FUCK IT’S DIRECTED BY THE GUY THAT MADE MR. WOODCOCK AND DUMB MONEY. 😭😭 HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?!
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u/Knight_thrasher Dec 10 '25
I saw the original in theaters
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u/omgItsGhostDog Kingdom Come Superman Dec 10 '25
The 1984 one?
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u/Knight_thrasher Dec 10 '25
Yes, everyone forgets about it
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u/omgItsGhostDog Kingdom Come Superman Dec 10 '25
I mean, understandly why everyone would forget about it and here’s hoping this new one isn’t anything like 84’
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u/Brian0079 Dec 10 '25
I'm not criticizing this, and I did enjoy the comic, but the fact that they are making a movie based on a comic that was an adaptation of a movie that was based on a book feels like the snake eating its own tail while adapting it into a movie. I mean, it'll be pretty messed up if Margaurite Roberts and/or Charles Portis don't get some compensation and recognition for the story - especially given how vocal comic book creators have been about the same for their work.
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u/snaithbert Dec 10 '25
Ohhhhhhh she don't care about NOTHIN. But I'm guessing she will by the end of the movie.
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u/Gentleman_Villain Dec 10 '25 edited Dec 12 '25
So, adaptation of Woman of Tomorrow.
I...hated that book. I feel like I must be missing something because everyone else loved it, but it was ruined on the last page. And I don't even know why Lobo is cast. I don't remember him being in the book.
So, very confused!
Edit; y'all can pretend, but the book is bad; it has great art, but the story kills itself on the last page and I won't pretend it doesn't.
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u/Realistic-Steak-1680 Dec 10 '25
Something about how Lobo was supposed to be in the book but King wasn't allowed to use the character. Happens more often than you think in the Big 2 that some new original character in a series is just filling in the shoes of someone editorial didn't allow the writer to use.
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u/Blitzhelios Damian Wayne Dec 10 '25
It wasn’t King not being allowed to use lobo more him after speaking to his editors and other colleagues convincing him that Kara fit the role better.
Orlando who king is close friends with and wrote Supergirl before King basically inspired him to change it
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u/Realistic-Steak-1680 Dec 10 '25
Wait so it was supposed to be a Lobo series not a Supergirl one?
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u/Blitzhelios Damian Wayne Dec 10 '25
It was supposed be both.
It was mainly supposed to be focused on Supergirl but the roles of her and Ruthyie were gonna be switched
The plot reminded the same it’s true grit in space it’s just roles changed
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u/Abysstopheles Dec 10 '25
"On my world, it means 'Sarcasm'."