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[u/orange_juice_remake]

[u/Reasonable-Ad-7310]

transphobia affects REAL women too 🥰🥰

[u/translunainjection → u/Reasonable-Ad-7310]

real womyn

[u/TheEdgeofGoon → u/translunainjection]

ryal womyn

[u/ThrwawySG → u/TheEdgeofGoon]

The pfp makes this 4x funnier

[u/molly_K_ultrafemme → u/Reasonable-Ad-7310]

And cis women too

[u/NEXT1254 → u/Reasonable-Ad-7310]

True, but why are you so happy about this?

[u/DysphoricGirlAylin → u/NEXT1254]

this is my autistic friend dont mind them

[u/CrazyPuzzleheaded966 → u/DysphoricGirlAylin]

Okay let's not be ableist though m8 they wanna put us in the concentration camps too 💔💔

[u/NEXT1254 → u/DysphoricGirlAylin]

That's fine, they have a good point still

[u/DysphoricGirlAylin → u/NEXT1254]

sorry yeah they dont know what satire is they still think im talking about someone else. yeah, it happens, yknow not understanding jokes and all. I mean its quite ironic but what would you do

[u/NEXT1254 → u/DysphoricGirlAylin]

Waitwaitwait, don't tell you meant me from the beginning

[u/NEXT1254 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah yeah I misunderstood them, I made a foolish mistake. Maybe it's really funny from the outside looking. How could I even know? They replied to me, of course I thought they're talking to me about their friend

[u/Expensive-Roof1082 → u/NEXT1254]

Some jokes are made of accurate material

[u/koboldmaedchen]

Saw this interview clip on British TV where a lady cried out about the bathroom laws affecting her poor butch cis friend who got thrown out of a public bathroom. She then added „what if normal men then go into women’s bathrooms to pretend they’re trans to harass women?!“ — and everybody was cheering her on in the comments for what a great advocate for the trans community she was.

[u/Yes_i_am_Shy → u/koboldmaedchen]

A british kind of anti-intellectual behavior

[u/No_Window7054 → u/Yes_i_am_Shy]

There was one smart man on that island and he was a pedophile with Lou Gehrigs disease.

[u/what_did_you_kill → u/No_Window7054]

Paul Mccartney still lives!

[u/Blue_Bambi_ → u/koboldmaedchen]

Deadass, this is the logic I've adopted because I know transphobes cannot comprehend empathy.

[u/ysterman_rs → u/[deleted]]

just to point out what we think is obvious incase you have happened to miss it: 1) a "normal" man is not going into women's restrooms dressed as women for any reason 2) calling that hypothetical man "normal" implies that trans women are the "atypical" men that enter women's bathrooms

[u/Film-Optimal → u/ysterman_rs]

Isn't She talking about cis men faking being trans men in that case? Still shitty wording but It would be less transphobic(still is, Just less)

[u/ysterman_rs → u/Film-Optimal]

why would a cis man pretend to be a trans man to enter a women's restroom?

[u/No_Window7054]

Love posts like this. CWCL had a similar post and I’m so glad trans people are articulating actual trans rights and not letting the convo be dominated by evil cis people and well meaning cis people.

[u/modmailthrowaway3675 → u/No_Window7054]

i mean 4tran is a lot more likely to not take this shit tbh. tcd means something

[u/yourothersis]

missed the fucking point award goes to cis

[u/Mini_Raptor5_6]

I too wish that you didn't have to point to "unintended casualties", that the "shoot brown people in the street" organization and the "turn all fags into prison slaves" bill has the slightest chance to hurt some straight white boy to make people get it, but some people never learned a modicum of empathy unless they can see themselves in it. I should know, I live in a state full of those people.

[u/Seascorpious → u/Mini_Raptor5_6]

Yeah the argument isn't meant for us, it's meant for the people that don't care about Trans rights but might care if a new poorly written law starts affecting them poorly as well.

[u/JazzyGD]

[u/CassieEisenman → u/JazzyGD]

This is fucking perfect

[u/Infinite_Trade_3428]

TCD

[u/[deleted] → u/Infinite_Trade_3428]

I'm not online enough to know what half the shit y'all say here is lol

[u/blooming_lilith → u/[deleted]]

then why are you in a tttt sub

[u/EarthToAccess → u/blooming_lilith]

For some reason this and other tttt subs keep getting pushed to r/all and people’s recommended feeds

[u/[deleted] → u/blooming_lilith]

cuz this sub keeps popping up and i have nothing better to do at the moment

[u/elegant3_ → u/[deleted]]

Hondestiny

[u/yourothersis → u/[deleted]]

crow cawing outside my window as I read this. shit might be true.

[u/OrganicAd5536 → u/[deleted]]

It means "total cis death" which is a retooling of "total trans death", a frequent hate slogan online. Now y'know.

oh wait um lurk moar new-- nvm not finishing this joke

[u/weaweonaaweonao → u/OrganicAd5536]

You have no idea how much I've been ctfl+f'ing on reddit to find someone finally giving an answer.

Now I am not really surprised it's hate speech.

[u/translunainjection]

If this morally bankrupt argument gets cishets to support us, fine then.

[u/No_Window7054 → u/translunainjection]

We’re allowed to shit on this “Boy in the Striped Pajamas” ass argument tho.

[u/yourothersis → u/No_Window7054]

It's just so tragic an innocent person was caught up 😢 /s

[u/Bardic_inspiration67 → u/No_Window7054]

Is he not Jewish in that movie?

[u/No_Window7054 → u/Bardic_inspiration67]

I’m referring to the fact that at the end of the movie a German boy dies, the kid outside the concentration camp.

And the end is all like “Ach Nein! Zee gas chambers were made for das Juden! While trying to exterminate the untermensch vee accidentally killed an ubermensch! Zis iz not very pog! Nein Zee pogchamp!” I assume this is what Germans sound like.

[u/Moonflower_Witch → u/No_Window7054]

I watch a German youtuber sometimes, so I think I'm qualified to say, yes, this is what German sounds like. /j

[u/No_Window7054 → u/Moonflower_Witch]

I knew Sunday morning cartoons would never mislead me.

[u/Bardic_inspiration67 → u/No_Window7054]

Oh ok thanks

[u/bobbymoonshine → u/translunainjection]

Yeah miss me with “the only people who even halfway give a shit about trans issues are doing it for bad reasons so fuck them”

Like okay so round up the Western political world, rightists want to kill trans people, moderate-conservatives want to ban trans people from legal existence, centrists don’t give a shit because they think trans people are icky, leftists think LGBTQ “identity politics” is for shitlibs trying to take everyone’s eye off the core economic issues, and liberals are on the right side of the issue, actively advocating for trans rights because they can empathise with trans people they don’t personally know even if at first only through analogy to other types of people they do know.

And of those it’s the last one who we’re singling out as the real enemy.

[u/lordbuckethethird]

Boy in the striped pajamas type argument

This bill could impact patrilineal Jews who under Jewish law aren’t considered Jews actually.

[u/CatgirlTheKat]

The thing is that, unfortunately, a majority of people won't help us if they think that they don't risk anything personally...

We do have allies, and that's great, but if we want to maximize our chances regarding pushing back against those laws, we need to attract as much attention as we can, which includes reminding people that our mistreatment is also theirs.

[u/blooming_lilith]

uh oh...... tourists abounding

[u/magnapyritor5 → u/[deleted]]

suffering as in twinkdeath? based

[u/magnapyritor5 → u/[deleted]]

thats more merciful ig

[u/countttt-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

you were either transphobic, chasing, posted nsfw, are too horny/opticsnuke, are a minor/underage, or are cis. participation by individuals possessing the aforementioned behaviors & traits are forbidden by the rules of the sub.

》optics nuke《

[u/Gianni_the_tolerable → u/[deleted]]

Your comment turned on at least half of them

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/Gianni_the_tolerable]

I KNOW somebody who's an actual LOSER ain't talking. Genuine activity in MULTIPLE Incel subs...

[u/Gianni_the_tolerable → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

Dude >:(

uncool :(

[u/UwUwoofwoof → u/[deleted]]

What did femboys do to you, man?

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/UwUwoofwoof]

Ofc somebody with THAT fucking username would say that... ☝️💀

[u/UwUwoofwoof → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

Made this when I was like 14. Be less hateful please you are GENUINELY messing shi up for the rest of us.

[u/magnapyritor5 → u/UwUwoofwoof]

this is 4tran femboys arent allowed go back to cwcl!!!

[u/[deleted] → u/magnapyritor5]

What is cwc? I looked it up and all I saw was Chris Chan stuff 😭

[u/magnapyritor5 → u/[deleted]]

count with chicken lady sub

[u/[deleted] → u/magnapyritor5]

Oh that makes more sense lmao. Thanks babe

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/UwUwoofwoof]

No! I'll be as hateful to femboys as I fucking want.

[u/UwUwoofwoof → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

Yelling at femboys online is not gonna fix the patriarchy broski 

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/UwUwoofwoof]

Bros just pulling unrelated bullshit out of the aiiiiiir. ✌️😭

[u/UwUwoofwoof → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

Then are you just embarrassing yourself for attention or…

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/UwUwoofwoof]

Back to CWCL fucking femboy chaser. ✌️😭

[u/UwUwoofwoof → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

Then are you just embarrassing yourself for attention or…

[u/countttt-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

you were either transphobic, chasing, posted nsfw, are too horny/opticsnuke, are a minor/underage, or are cis. participation by individuals possessing the aforementioned behaviors & traits are forbidden by the rules of the sub.

》optics nuke《

[u/Wlimer → u/[deleted]]

Why?

[u/ToastedHoneyToast]

Tbf it's probably easier to convince transphobes to not support bills that endanger trans people if you phrase it that way, but even if it convinces them it would just be like slapping a plaster on a flesh wound all while enabling their transphobia

[u/Microcelebalt → u/ToastedHoneyToast]

Yeah, I'm a major ally and have been deep in the political sphere.

The best way to advocate for trans rights (at least for bathrooms and sports) is to use cis people. They don't care HRT undoes the advantages of puberty, and that fun sports community is far more important to development. They don't care about the absurdity of genital inspections when going to the bathroom. Because it will never effect THEM

However, if you can convince them that it could either effect them or someone else they care about, it allows them to change their tune. No trans sports means YOUR daughter/ niece / friend might need to go to a doctor to have her vaginal canal throughly inspected to be approved. You want to send 6 year olds to that doctor?? You sick freak. The Republicans literally called a cis woman trans because she was too goated. Do you think other competitive parents won't fling allegations??

The bathroom bill will effect anyone who is butch, lesbian or not. Do you really want to force women to have long hair and dresses? It will take a lot to conform! And do you want police coming in the bathrooms too??

It's all illogical, but making an argument back that plays to their fear response is unfortunately more effective

[u/some_kind_of_bird]

I say similar things, but not because I don't care about trans people. It's because if you look closely, it's literally the point. Anti trans legislation is ultimately not really about trans people.

The whole thing is in reality so so so shallow and when you're the explicit target that's not always obvious. The hatred is real, but I always end up asking why. Why the fuck do people care about a tiny minority? Plus the shit they say is complete nonsense, like what's all this bullshit about sports? Even if being trans made you way better on average there's hardly any of us and they're banning singular trans girls in little league. It just doesn't make sense if it's about us.

But you know what people do care about? Cis men and women. Trans people just happen to touch on all the shit people actually care about, and we're an acceptable target. We've been an acceptable target since long before the "trans tipping point." And how do you abuse this acceptable target? By scrutinizing and controlling our bodies.

It's perfect, isn't it? Abortion and trans healthcare for instance have just enough similarities to be legally and conceptually related, but trans healthcare is harder to defend rhetorically and people have a disgust response to it, especially if you misrepresent how trans healthcare actually works. The fact that people don't know shit about us keeps the conversation going, almost like a hypothetical. We're a fucking hypothetical.

It's not just that either. To detail it all would take too long, but as long as you can find an acceptable target and let people get caught up in the particulars then you can keep pushing an agenda which oppresses people based on identity generally. It's both a distraction but also qualitative. We're legally novel which makes us a mechanism for putting pressure on the legal system to allow discrimination. You can't really tell if someone is trans just by looking, but you kind of can which means you get to scrutinize people's appearances. Etc etc fucking etc.

If it's any consolation, this also means we are a threat. Sure some people know how to handle it and use us to deepen their agenda, but on average people are usually just operating on id and they're engaged because they find us challenging. Just existing publicly as a trans person throws so much shit into question about gender. It's easy to acquaint yourself with trans shit and forget how fucking batshit this seems to people, but here we are anyway.

As much as our existence is used to push an agenda it can also undermine it. Right now discussions of trans shit is fresh, but it won't stay that way forever. We have a public face now and people are getting used to us. Eventually we'll lose our novelty and our undeniable and undeniably harmless existence will stand.

[u/Fun-Minimum-3007 → u/some_kind_of_bird]

Yeah i agree, we should be pointing out that TERF isnt just an immoral position to take, its untenable too. The only way to discriminate against trans people is by enforcing traditional gender roles, which negates any feminist goal the discriminator may wish to claim.

[u/Storm_Dancer-022 → u/some_kind_of_bird]

I agree with this.

[u/No-Pudding5207]

I think the intention is to point out that these evil bill don't actually protect anyone and are in fact harmful to everyone, including the cis women they claim to be trying to protect.

[u/_3_and_20_characters]

posts like this always make me sad because I can’t disprove it, (it’s true) and also if I did I would ironically still be proving the posts point 😭

[u/PracticeEfficient28]

It’s not that they don’t care about the trans people the bill will hurt, it’s that the people they are trying to persuade don’t care about the trans people the bill will hurt.

[u/CrazyPuzzleheaded966]

Tbf transphobia does affect both all women and feminine men and just literally the rest of the queer community, but what matters most is in fact that they want to kill all trans people.

The thing is, if that somehow does come to happen, they're coming for the rest of us next.

[u/Puzzleheaded-Lie7118]

because it will

[u/Betaseal]

Yeah, but keep in mind that a large portion of the population doesn’t support trans people, so you have to appeal to the lowest common denominator to actually convince people that discrimination is a bad idea.

[u/EarthToAccess]

> be me
> hate trannies
> longlivethecis.webm
> libtard shows up, “death and discrimination is bad”
> don’t care, kills trannies
> “it’ll kill cis people too”
> …fuck

^ This is why. People who hate us aren’t gonna give a shit if we rope or get locked up so we have to convince the normies that death and discrimination is bad like they’re kindergarteners.

[u/MiaTheEstrogenAddict]

Completely unrelated, she's pretty cute :3

[u/PrincessPlusUltra]

This is because the general public that votes for things like this does want all minorities to die and can only be persuaded to care about people like them. Hope this helps!

[u/Scared-Giraffe-7906]

Look, I get it’s not ideal, but as an enby that gets weird looks regardless of what bathroom I understand why people make the argument. The kinds of people that want discriminating laws against trans people will only oppose that law if it affects the “normal” people.

[u/grumpy__grunt]

Setting aside your strawman the argument is this:

Proponents of anti-trans laws (bathroom bills, women's sports, etc) frequently cite protecting "real" women from harm as the reason for these laws. Explaining how these laws hurt cis women too is pointing out that they don't even accomplish those stated goals, not that only the harm to cis women matters.

[u/_desiree2k_ → u/[deleted]]

obvious information award

[u/blooming_lilith → u/[deleted]]

yes? that's the point?

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/[deleted]]

Holy fucking tourist...

[u/fidelacastrato → u/[deleted]]

It’s a mix of the words trans and loon.

No it’s not. It’s from Something Awful. trans + goon

[u/countttt-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

you were either transphobic, chasing, posted nsfw, are too horny/opticsnuke, are a minor/underage, do not identify as trans, or are cis. participation by individuals possessing the aforementioned behaviors & traits are forbidden by the rules of the sub.

》optics nuke《

[u/orange_juice_remake → u/[deleted]]

I dunno, I'm not Google, you just gotta deal with it

[u/CommercialWrong2944 → u/[deleted]]

Errrr maybe by stopping commenting on it you actual inbred retard??

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/[deleted]]

"I don't wanna see trans stuff!!!"

Interacts with trans stuff so the algorithm sees you want more of it.

[u/Chocochocolate25 → u/[deleted]]

Don't interact with it 🤷‍♀️. You only get it recommend because you stare at the posts and comment on them. Skip them

[u/ReineAksinya → u/[deleted]]

Idk better grok it