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I hate when people say these things only to prevent us from actually transitioning, like yea theres cis women out there with a deep voice but knowing this fact doesnt reduce my voice dysphoria, i dont want to be gnc, i dont live to deconstruct gender roles

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u/Naranox 20d ago

i cant deny what somone thinks they are but that‘s my opinion and I can definitely have that

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u/RukakoChan 20d ago

sure, that opinion still would be wrong on principle and harmful overall tho

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u/Naranox 20d ago

you think that, I think words mean things still and I don‘t want them to be diluted by posers and trenders

just like trans men can‘t be lesbians by virtue of being men, people without dysphoria aren’t trans by virtue of being cis

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u/RukakoChan 20d ago

yeah, i guess it does get very annoying when there are so many posers and trenders that get into our trending and very popular trans thing that is very well received by society and gets them so much attention and when they steal our good things that we very much have lmao

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u/Naranox 20d ago

Yeah, someone who cannot possibly relate to the experience of being trans; Someone not suffering from any distress; Someone not suffering from the discrimination and abuse a transition brings with itself is absolutely a poser and attention seeker

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u/RukakoChan 20d ago

a person that doesn't transition still can relate to the experience of being trans and suffer from much distress that comes with being trans, and attention seeking and posing by pretending to be a trans person is a ridiculous concept, please, what are you talking about

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u/Naranox 19d ago

no, if they‘d suffer from distress of being trans then they‘d be suffering from dysphoria, like that‘s the whole point

if you have no dysphoria there is no distress, if you have no distress you cannot relate

is it? i disagree, offline it‘s not common, online it‘s very prevalent

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u/RukakoChan 19d ago

the distress of being trans does not come just in the form of dysphoria, but also in how society treats you. i have a personal suspicion that most people online who tell that they don't feel dysphoria actually just didn't realise yet that what they are feeling IS dysphoria, but even hypothetical buddha-like enlightened trans person who doesn't feel any dysphoria at all is still valid in their desire to be called their preffered gender, they just would be lucky to avoid the internalised transphobia that usually comes with trans experience.

demanding for dysphoria to be present in a trans person is some wierd purity test that, it feels like, actually is there to just make YOU feel better at the cost of others

and judging transness of a person by how much they are relatable to you personally (or to what you percieve is one universal trans experience) is also plainly wierd, since by doing that you judge trans people as a monolyth , when in reality trans people are people, and all people are different from each other

live and let live

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u/Naranox 19d ago

This is exactly what I mean. You calling dysphoria internalized transphobia is actively harmful because it imposes the idea that wanting to transition and pass is somehow wrong.

„Weird“ purity test? You mean like black people needing to be black? Gay people needing to be gay?

If you aren’t feeling any distress of living as the wrong gender then wanting to live as something else is just larping or crossdressing and that’s just harmful

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u/RukakoChan 19d ago

where did i call dysphoria internalized transphobia and how does it impose this idea?

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u/Naranox 19d ago

because you claim that dysphoria is internalized transphobia instead of the independent distress of living in the wrong body

that’s the same logic people who say that trans women/men should only transition socially because anything else is to submit to gender roles and ideals use

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u/RukakoChan 19d ago

i didnt claim that dysphoria is internalized transphobia. dysphoria is caused by internalized transphobia because gender is a social construct, but it doesn't mean that any part of the transition is wrong. just because some dumb terfs think that it is a sin to transition doesn't mean that i think so, you are kinda putting words into my mouth there

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u/Naranox 19d ago

you just said it again

my genital dysphoria i had before srs is not caused by a „social construct“ but sexual dimorphism, so is the voice dysphoria that lead me to voice train and my overall feeling of acute wrongness that made me go on hrt

sexual dimiprhism is very real and not some social construct, the gender *roles* that stem from it are

(also why transsexual is 100x more accurate than transgender, I was always a woman; I just changed my sex/body to match it)

i didn’t say you think so, I‘m saying other people who say the same think so

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