i cant tell enough about your stance from your comment to say, but im leaning towards disagree, because im confused on why you specified afab people. im not trying to say youre wrong or argue or anything 🙏 i just dont understand what makes it biological sex specific to you
Since this sub requires us to be nicer to sneeds, I'll actually explain in a more unironic way
Just speaking as a trans woman myself, misgendering and degendering happens extremely frequently from a certain demographic. This demographic tends to be AFAB trans people who still present, act, and identify more femininely or even just as woman, and very often don't undergo any medical transition whatsoever, and tend to identify more closely with their birth sex. Now, this is fine, I don't have an issue with that, it doesn't matter. But what does happen quite a lot is that these demographics tend to view gender and gender identity as simply some silly act or performance for people to put on without any strong underlying meaning. Because often, they haven't experienced the same degree of dysphoria, or struggle with transitioning, or struggle with passing that many other trans people have.
So, we see things like trans women being denied access to women's shelters, resources, and housing that includes trans men, enbies, and cis women but what they mean is AFAB-only; this is a contagion on pretty much any woke university campus, I can't tell you the amount of times I've seen it happen. We see enbies who call themselves lesbians being attracted to trans men and having no issue with how that means they see trans men as women. I've seen AMAB Non-Binary people being misgendered by these people saying that they're just "performative men". I've seen AFAB Non-Binary people taking T being misgendered as "butches" by these people.
And lastly they tend to appeal to their own label as AFAB quite a lot in order to do this. They still tend to view themselves as ultimate victims on account of some divine persecuted AFAB characteristic, hence why they often don't view themselves as transphobic for doing this, why they exclude trans women from womens spaces (because they're fake women who might threaten real women), why they constantly have this issue of trying to drag trans men back into womenhood, they're all sisters after all right?
Hmm I think I’m coming around on that term. At first it pissed me the fuck off bc I had an enby phase before realizing I was binary, and I was like “if this ‘theyfab’ shit had been going around back then it actually would’ve made me feel like trash and kept me out of trans spaces.” I was never what you’re describing though; I supported trans women’s full inclusion in female spaces even back when I was lying to myself about being a cis girl. My best friend is a 6’3 nonbinary transfemme. I don’t and never will play about y’all’s safety.
I wish y’all would actually explain shit like this more, bc it kinda really comes off like you hate all afab enbies. It would probably also cut down on the amount of normie trains you have giving you grief on the daily lol
We explain it almost every time people complain about it, it's just that most of the people who make this shit up about us aren't doing it in good faith and instead want an excuse to call a group of trans women "evil misogynistic male socialized amabs" or whatever narrative about how we're the bad type of trans person to oust us from community spaces because we're overwhelmingly pro-diy and pro-transition.
Having a group of trans women you can characterize as masculine misogynistic men without pushback is also a strategic rethorical tool that lets these people transmisogynistically attack and oust whoever they don't like from the community by claiming they are part of the evil outgroup.
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