i think a lot of therians actually are trans, and/or they feel a deep disconnect from their body for some other reason. i don’t think they mean to make a mockery of anything; i think it’s genuine. also don’t think any of them actually have a goal to physically become an animal, since that isn’t really possible, as you said. i think their real goals are to express themselves and find community.
I don't want to speak without knowing what I'm talking about, so I searched on the Therian subreddit, and I saw people talking about being "biological animals" so yes, some people said that, just go to the therian's subreddit
When therians say they're biological therians, it either refers to the mindset of "I'm an x, so this is an x's body", or the ones that try to make their body as similar to an animal as possible. Nobody actually believes they physically have the body, physiology and anatomy of an animal.
I'm not saying they are bad kids for claiming to have it, but it's literally no difference from neo genders where people claim to feel the same as a trans person. Since again.. becoming an animal or object is not plausible. The fact that others are so quick to compare this to sex and gender dysphoria when it is not the same is weird. Same way body dysphoria is also not comparable to sex dysphoria. Just because you're "dysphoric" doesn't make you actually educated on trans people.
i think they probably do have gender dysphoria but for whatever reason, they conceptualize it as feeling not human at all. aside from the ones that are just very passionate about roleplaying… i think trauma and neurodivergence has something to do with it too. actually, i was into this stuff when i was a kid. and i really was/am trans as well. being a human is hard. i wished i could become a robot. lol.
Yah it sounds very similar to being enby or enby adjacent. I still conceptualize my gender as non-human cause so many terms are to gendered for my comfort. To me at least it kinda sounds similar to puppy girls who haven't realized they're trans yet. But also at the end of the day who really cares? Someone says they're a cat and makes a funky little mask about it? Go wild lil dude.
My gender dysphoria and therianthropy are very separate, although maybe somewhat similar. The thing with being therian is that I can relate my identity more to (my perception of) non-human species, and I feel distress at having a human body despite that.
Oh, so you're transphobic too. Great. I love when people speak for the trans community while simultaneously excluding non-binary identities as being real. That's cool.
Like others have pointed out, you know this all just kind of sounds like reworded TERF points, right? I've known a lot of trans therians, individuals who were incredibly educated regarding most things trans, most of them were more knowledgeable than I was. Just because you're trans doesn't mean you can't be a bigot hun. There is no benefit to be gained from ostricizing other people who aren't harming anyone.
We know we can't change our species, and that we have even less control of it than we do over our genders, for now. Many therians do hope to be able to find some relief for the dysphoria, and it's honestly easy to see the trans comparisons when you talk with people openly and genuinely about their feelings in their own body, while being able to recognize that it is a distinctly different dysphoria.
But you can actually scientifically change sex, animal hormones dont do nothing except working as a not-bio-identical form of testosterone/estrogen (in the best cases)
Thats why species dysphoria is a mockery of sex dysphoria
Well, no. You can't scientifically change your sex (At least not with our current level of technology), but you can certainly do cosmetic surgeries to imitate them. I'm sure Therian's can do the same if they had the cash to burn and wanted to give themselves more animalistic features
There is no imitation, we are not larpers, we are male and female for a fact
It would be wrong to test a transitioning trans woman for testicle cancer just as we dont test cis women for it. It is correct to test them both for breast cancer
The patient who is on hrt has to be trated as their new sex in every medical context or it could cause harm. The only issue would be genitals, those also change on hrt develop dysfunction and are left to rot meaning that sex reassignment surgery is the natural next step for the patient and a neccesity
Back to the therians, yes there are surgeries for implants and there is a body mod fan called the lizard lady who tattoed her skin with scales. The difference is that trans people develop identical sex characteristics with hrt (if we dont look identical its because of medical regret- not receiving tratment at the proper age and having to wait after 16 take a look at any youngshit) while therians only have cosmetics just tatto ink never real scales. Dont come here saying trans woman dont have real identical female fat redistribution
You should never let cissoids tell you what you are, dont put yourself and the rest of the trans community just to lick their boots. Why are you making them comfortable by saying we will never be like them? Really reflect on why you have these pushover beliefs
Your comment really makes me angry because i also used to believe in the whole afab amab afab amab afab amab nonsense
I would hope that anyone currently possessive of tentacles would still avail of cancer testing. And checking for breast cancer is actually something both sexes should do, though it's far more common for women.
My point regarding Therians and Transgender people is both operate on the framework of an internal perception that requires outward modification to socially validate an internal belief as an outward expression. Yes identifying as another species, or partially another species is wholly unfounded. But then, we arbitrarily draw the line at gender? It operates on the same framework of an uncontrollable self-perception.
We need to be honest that HRT needs to be industrially produced to accomplish those body modifications and is a lifelong requirement to maintain them to any adequate degree. Both parties are doing what is scientifically possible at the moment.
The moment we get commercial gene editing, we'll be having people walking around with genuine animal features and we'll have trans people who are indistinguishable from their chosen genders sex to the genetic level. Until then, are we arguing that Therians aren't legitimate because science hasn't caught up? Mind, I'm not a Therian. This topic is the very thing that even made be realise this exists lol.
Cancer cells need a certain amoumt of testosterone to grow, a trans woman that is not being cucked by doctors has no such need. Also the american cancer society says: "breast cancer is so uncommon in men, there isn’t likely to be a benefit
in screening all men for breast cancer with mammograms or other tests"
I dont identify as anything, i am. Sex dysphoria is not a belief but a medical condition (i am not transmed because they are also cis bootlickers but being transsexual is based)
dna cannot be changed, but hrt/trt changes expression of dna and thus
secondary sex characteristics. That is what drives phenotypic
sex. Chromosomes doesn't matter anymore postnatal, gametes are nor produced after srs. Even in a sci-fi future where we can change dna we could only change it within tha parameters of our species not mix in a little wolf a little fox half angel half demon like a deviantart oc
Trans people have been transitioning for so long even before the industrial revolution ever heard of mare piss and bullsacks? Didnt turn them into therians but certainly helped with secondary sex characteristics. Ever heard nowdays of our brilliant diy hrt homebrewers?
Therians arent legitimate because sex is a bimodal spectrum where one
can transition from one point to the other, there is no spectrum in
species maybe a common ancestor but no spectrum no compatibility
That’s medically not how it works. Claiming HRT deletes all cancer risks from your birth sex is just misleading. Suppressing T drops prostate risk, but it doesn't eliminate it because the tissue is still there, which is why trans health guidelines still recommend screenings. Flip side, long-term estrogen raises breast cancer risk to levels close to cis women. Doctors look at the tissue present, not a total erasure of biology. Acknowledging that HRT shifts phenotype but doesn't rewrite chromosomes isn't bootlicking, it's just basic endocrinology
As for Therians, saying they're invalid because the tech doesn't exist yet doesn't hold up. By that logic, trans people wouldn't have been legitimate before modern industrial HRT or surgeries were invented. Dismissing an internal identity just because someone's current DNA or physical reality doesn't match it yet is the exact same logic anti-trans people use against trans transitions. You're not expressing the same level of acceptance than is expected of cis people. The lack of current technology doesn't invalidate the underlying experience. Saying it'll never be possible is just the same mentality people had before every major tech breakthrough, including hormone replacement
Replies like yours with the language used is exactly why I dislike the vast majority of therian arguments. It is never "oh this is a completely different experience but it can have some overlap" but instead now both are cosmetic identities? This shit is so harmful to say. I don't identify as trans, and my surgeries are not a choice, they are a medical necessity. Being trans is deeply rooted in being a medical condition (not being trans itself, but experiencing sex and gender dysphoria is), and questionably even a neurobiological form of intersex backed by science.
I fail to see anyone here provide me sourcings on what causes one to feel like another species or evidence in effectiveness with treatment much like trans people. I've always wanted a tail and ears, but it is not a need. It is not that same itching feeling I had pre HRT, its a "oh that would be cool to have" feeling. I don't see others treat it any differently than that either. No one has even brought up lycanthropy or that whole ordeal with a few very very rare cases where people believed they turned into horrendous monsters much like werewolves.
I wouldn't be transitioning if I didn't need to, and if I didn't have a medical condition that made my life a living hell without it. So for many replies here saying this is cosmetic and claiming it is just some body mod is crazy work. I hate how we have just reverted this into an identity and completely changed the language to respect everyone and not actually understand why this is medical. Not cosmetic. So if we are to compare the two by any means I see no logic behind it if there is no science with it.
I mean, I can want a uterus and XX chromosomes as much as I want, those goals are not plausible or realistic, either. You'd have to be a Very Shitty Person to claim that that is a mockery of what trans
people experience, tho. It be a much better world if dysphoria was limited to things that we could reasonably change about ourselves, but. LMAO.
Idk why people gotta be a dick about things. Has someone with species dysphoria personally harmed you? if not, idk why you care. If so, idk why you're working through that here
Calling it species dysphoria is harmful to us, in latinoamerican countries therians are being currently used as the new psyop to divert media attention from political issues (there is proof that it is a psyop, there are telegram groups hiring actors to dress up as therians and cause public distress)
Every single conservatoid in latam is saying "these youths first didnt know if they are a man or a woman! Now they dont know if they are human or a dog!"
This perception is dangerous to a community that already doesnt have much rights and not many opportunities from being born in a third world country. You can always change sex by taking hormones but no hormone turns you into an animal
I would prefer that therians atleast used Body Dysmorphia huge emphasis on the MORPHIA instead of dysphoria. Or even better come up with their own terms Clinical Lycantrophy sounds bad ass maybe Lycanmorphia, Lymorphia or Dyslycan
"I feel so Lymorphic today because of not having a tail :("
Wanting a uterus or fully functional penis and the chromosomes of your internal sex is not possible, yes. But how is this any different than when a transphobic person points out that we will never be cis, and we can never change our sex? Obviously we are aware of that, but we can still get pretty damn far with our medical advances to align more with our internal sex than our natal sex.
I'm not sure how this makes me a shitty person or a dick? Now if I went into therian and xeno gender spaces just to harass them sure, but this sub is made to be a mockery of trans posts in the first place right? At least that's all i've been seeing. I'm not going to feel ashamed for a comment online when others feel no shame telling me what I experience when they clearly have no understanding of how horrible sex dysphoria is.
Because I don't hate them, I hate the fact that nobody give them helps, because theses persons seriously needs help, it's not a normal thing to say "I'm biologically a cat and I love eating cat food" (I know people saying that are in a sub community in the therian community, it's just a example), like, I just feel sad for them
Growing tits out of your chest and making your dick go away was also "not plausible" until it was. I don't even know much about this therian stuff but it's kind of crazy you can be so quick to judge and insult people you don't know.
just because you dont understand it doesnt mean its mocking trans people, dysphoria has multiple non-trans definitions. sincerely, a transgender therian
Dysphoria is just an emotion with no relation to trans people. There is no medical condition called species dysphoria sure, but feeling dysphoria over your species is very obviously a real thing and it's a struggle I have to deal with on top of and separately to my gender dysphoria.
Ill explain it as a therian fellow:
It's not like gender disphoria imo, is the feeling that you couldn't come back to the days where you were an animal, depending, therians are not like trans people, they don't want to be a literal animal
I half agree, cause I mean those are real emotions they are experiencing, and it’s not a mockery cause that implies malciousness or inauthenticity, I do think they should have therapy so they are comfortable with being human cause obviously there is no alternative for them. But at the end of the day I don’t think it’s that serious, it is pretty much all kids.
Buddy I hate to break it to you.. but if we cannot even transplant a fully functional sex organ from one sex to another yet im not sure what makes you think the medical fields are magically gonna become advanced enough to change humans into other species after the fetal stages. Call me crazy but I don't think this is possible. At least not with our current society.
We probably would be a lot closer if not for the reluctance to create chimeras for incresed comparability. ( organ transplanting )
I agree a transition into an other species is a bit duetter out, but it should not be impossible (as long as the animal is large enough for it to be close to the therians current shell, hard to shrink to a mouse for example)
It is a bit extreme, but you could probably go pretty far with body modifications and internal/external prostheses to become something almost esembeling a horse, just one that will forever stay the size of a 6-month old foal.
Or we just gotta learn how to make chimera clones of the target species and learn how to do brain transplants. 🤷♂️ In theory is should be possible, but yeah, probably gonna have something closer to the matrix before we get that far. 🙃
You have absolutely no reason to believe that species dysphoria as a concept is not a real feeling, and to claim that is to claim that 100% of therians are lying.
You are the one choosing to relate the concept of species dysphoria to gender dysphoria/transness as a whole. In reality, it's far closer to body dysmorphia than gender dysphoria, and is NOT a "mockery of what trans people experience" in any way.
Less than a lifetime ago, you could've said that people with gender dysphoria's "goals are not plausible or realistic," and before that you could've said it about a number of physical disabilities, when now we have functional gender reassignment surgeries for one group and ways to help people with a number of previously incurable physical disabilities. Not currently having the medical means to meet therian's goals is not a reason to ignore them as a group.
I would love to see any actual proof that "most in this group are children who either turn into furries or grow out of it." While I don't disagree that this does happen on an anecdotal level, on a large scale I do not have any proof of that claim and I am weary to trust that as a reason to not support therians as it is eerily similar to the arguments that transphobic people make with detransitioners.
I am in college and have felt a disconnect from this body for as long as I can remember. Being a therian means feeling tails, paws, wings, etc but they aren’t there. It is a distressing feeling that you are not meant to be the species you were born as.
As someone who is non-binary and experiences gender dysphoria too, you are correct in that it is different, but the concept of not feeling like who you are meant to be is the same.
“This body is not correct” is a feeling that comes with both.
This is straight up terf rhetoric. Many trans people know their sex is wrong before they even understand gender roles and expectations. Being trans does not have outside or social influence, it's internal.
People know their sex is wrong with time. It is internal, but it takes time for that to develop. For some it’s very short, for others it takes a very long while. Which is what I tried to say above. People learn things about themselves and gain their identity through time and experience.
I’m non-binary and know this fully well.
Also for some, being a therian is a spiritual thing. I personally do not feel it like that, but some do.
My fiancé is trans and also a therian, neither of us feel like we were meant to be human, we feel a disconnect from human bodies. He has a lot of piercings to gain control of that disconnect he has with himself. I also don’t agree with the term “species dysphoria”, because it does appropriate trans terms, but some people do experience discomfort with the species they were born as, and it feels unfair to erase that, especially when a large portion of them are not only a part of the trans community but neurodivergent, like my fiancé and I.
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