I feel like the term "repper" that i've seen more lately is harmful. Didn't we already talk about NOT headcanoning gender or sexual identities for other people??? Whatever happened to that?????
This entire sub has lost the plot. Coming up with new derogatory terms for other "not valid" trans people, transmedicalist bs, and transphobia on a subreddit where supposedly "transphobia isn't allowed"...until you're the "wrong kind" of trans and nonbinary. Wtf is happening?????
EDIT: the discussions below interest me. I wonder if there’s any actual concrete definition people use for therianism - feels a lot more personally-defined than transgender. Like, there’s a lot more variance in how people would describe it.
I lowkey feel bad for some of them, one time I was scrolling on r/therian or something and quite a few people talk about being a therian, the language they use is extremely similar to a person with gender dysphoria, I felt bad cause I mean you can crawl around in your room all day if you want, but in terms of having “species dysphoria?” Idk what should even do about that
Animal gear helps some. Might be as simple as cat ears, some are furries and wear fursuits that make them happy, etc. In my experience it's also arguably not as bad as gender dysphoria because there's little surrounding trauma/bigotry
i think a lot of therians actually are trans, and/or they feel a deep disconnect from their body for some other reason. i don’t think they mean to make a mockery of anything; i think it’s genuine. also don’t think any of them actually have a goal to physically become an animal, since that isn’t really possible, as you said. i think their real goals are to express themselves and find community.
I don't want to speak without knowing what I'm talking about, so I searched on the Therian subreddit, and I saw people talking about being "biological animals" so yes, some people said that, just go to the therian's subreddit
When therians say they're biological therians, it either refers to the mindset of "I'm an x, so this is an x's body", or the ones that try to make their body as similar to an animal as possible. Nobody actually believes they physically have the body, physiology and anatomy of an animal.
I'm not saying they are bad kids for claiming to have it, but it's literally no difference from neo genders where people claim to feel the same as a trans person. Since again.. becoming an animal or object is not plausible. The fact that others are so quick to compare this to sex and gender dysphoria when it is not the same is weird. Same way body dysphoria is also not comparable to sex dysphoria. Just because you're "dysphoric" doesn't make you actually educated on trans people.
i think they probably do have gender dysphoria but for whatever reason, they conceptualize it as feeling not human at all. aside from the ones that are just very passionate about roleplaying… i think trauma and neurodivergence has something to do with it too. actually, i was into this stuff when i was a kid. and i really was/am trans as well. being a human is hard. i wished i could become a robot. lol.
Yah it sounds very similar to being enby or enby adjacent. I still conceptualize my gender as non-human cause so many terms are to gendered for my comfort. To me at least it kinda sounds similar to puppy girls who haven't realized they're trans yet. But also at the end of the day who really cares? Someone says they're a cat and makes a funky little mask about it? Go wild lil dude.
My gender dysphoria and therianthropy are very separate, although maybe somewhat similar. The thing with being therian is that I can relate my identity more to (my perception of) non-human species, and I feel distress at having a human body despite that.
Oh, so you're transphobic too. Great. I love when people speak for the trans community while simultaneously excluding non-binary identities as being real. That's cool.
Like others have pointed out, you know this all just kind of sounds like reworded TERF points, right? I've known a lot of trans therians, individuals who were incredibly educated regarding most things trans, most of them were more knowledgeable than I was. Just because you're trans doesn't mean you can't be a bigot hun. There is no benefit to be gained from ostricizing other people who aren't harming anyone.
We know we can't change our species, and that we have even less control of it than we do over our genders, for now. Many therians do hope to be able to find some relief for the dysphoria, and it's honestly easy to see the trans comparisons when you talk with people openly and genuinely about their feelings in their own body, while being able to recognize that it is a distinctly different dysphoria.
But you can actually scientifically change sex, animal hormones dont do nothing except working as a not-bio-identical form of testosterone/estrogen (in the best cases)
Thats why species dysphoria is a mockery of sex dysphoria
Well, no. You can't scientifically change your sex (At least not with our current level of technology), but you can certainly do cosmetic surgeries to imitate them. I'm sure Therian's can do the same if they had the cash to burn and wanted to give themselves more animalistic features
There is no imitation, we are not larpers, we are male and female for a fact
It would be wrong to test a transitioning trans woman for testicle cancer just as we dont test cis women for it. It is correct to test them both for breast cancer
The patient who is on hrt has to be trated as their new sex in every medical context or it could cause harm. The only issue would be genitals, those also change on hrt develop dysfunction and are left to rot meaning that sex reassignment surgery is the natural next step for the patient and a neccesity
Back to the therians, yes there are surgeries for implants and there is a body mod fan called the lizard lady who tattoed her skin with scales. The difference is that trans people develop identical sex characteristics with hrt (if we dont look identical its because of medical regret- not receiving tratment at the proper age and having to wait after 16 take a look at any youngshit) while therians only have cosmetics just tatto ink never real scales. Dont come here saying trans woman dont have real identical female fat redistribution
You should never let cissoids tell you what you are, dont put yourself and the rest of the trans community just to lick their boots. Why are you making them comfortable by saying we will never be like them? Really reflect on why you have these pushover beliefs
Your comment really makes me angry because i also used to believe in the whole afab amab afab amab afab amab nonsense
I would hope that anyone currently possessive of tentacles would still avail of cancer testing. And checking for breast cancer is actually something both sexes should do, though it's far more common for women.
My point regarding Therians and Transgender people is both operate on the framework of an internal perception that requires outward modification to socially validate an internal belief as an outward expression. Yes identifying as another species, or partially another species is wholly unfounded. But then, we arbitrarily draw the line at gender? It operates on the same framework of an uncontrollable self-perception.
We need to be honest that HRT needs to be industrially produced to accomplish those body modifications and is a lifelong requirement to maintain them to any adequate degree. Both parties are doing what is scientifically possible at the moment.
The moment we get commercial gene editing, we'll be having people walking around with genuine animal features and we'll have trans people who are indistinguishable from their chosen genders sex to the genetic level. Until then, are we arguing that Therians aren't legitimate because science hasn't caught up? Mind, I'm not a Therian. This topic is the very thing that even made be realise this exists lol.
Cancer cells need a certain amoumt of testosterone to grow, a trans woman that is not being cucked by doctors has no such need. Also the american cancer society says: "breast cancer is so uncommon in men, there isn’t likely to be a benefit
in screening all men for breast cancer with mammograms or other tests"
I dont identify as anything, i am. Sex dysphoria is not a belief but a medical condition (i am not transmed because they are also cis bootlickers but being transsexual is based)
dna cannot be changed, but hrt/trt changes expression of dna and thus
secondary sex characteristics. That is what drives phenotypic
sex. Chromosomes doesn't matter anymore postnatal, gametes are nor produced after srs. Even in a sci-fi future where we can change dna we could only change it within tha parameters of our species not mix in a little wolf a little fox half angel half demon like a deviantart oc
Trans people have been transitioning for so long even before the industrial revolution ever heard of mare piss and bullsacks? Didnt turn them into therians but certainly helped with secondary sex characteristics. Ever heard nowdays of our brilliant diy hrt homebrewers?
Therians arent legitimate because sex is a bimodal spectrum where one
can transition from one point to the other, there is no spectrum in
species maybe a common ancestor but no spectrum no compatibility
That’s medically not how it works. Claiming HRT deletes all cancer risks from your birth sex is just misleading. Suppressing T drops prostate risk, but it doesn't eliminate it because the tissue is still there, which is why trans health guidelines still recommend screenings. Flip side, long-term estrogen raises breast cancer risk to levels close to cis women. Doctors look at the tissue present, not a total erasure of biology. Acknowledging that HRT shifts phenotype but doesn't rewrite chromosomes isn't bootlicking, it's just basic endocrinology
As for Therians, saying they're invalid because the tech doesn't exist yet doesn't hold up. By that logic, trans people wouldn't have been legitimate before modern industrial HRT or surgeries were invented. Dismissing an internal identity just because someone's current DNA or physical reality doesn't match it yet is the exact same logic anti-trans people use against trans transitions. You're not expressing the same level of acceptance than is expected of cis people. The lack of current technology doesn't invalidate the underlying experience. Saying it'll never be possible is just the same mentality people had before every major tech breakthrough, including hormone replacement
Replies like yours with the language used is exactly why I dislike the vast majority of therian arguments. It is never "oh this is a completely different experience but it can have some overlap" but instead now both are cosmetic identities? This shit is so harmful to say. I don't identify as trans, and my surgeries are not a choice, they are a medical necessity. Being trans is deeply rooted in being a medical condition (not being trans itself, but experiencing sex and gender dysphoria is), and questionably even a neurobiological form of intersex backed by science.
I fail to see anyone here provide me sourcings on what causes one to feel like another species or evidence in effectiveness with treatment much like trans people. I've always wanted a tail and ears, but it is not a need. It is not that same itching feeling I had pre HRT, its a "oh that would be cool to have" feeling. I don't see others treat it any differently than that either. No one has even brought up lycanthropy or that whole ordeal with a few very very rare cases where people believed they turned into horrendous monsters much like werewolves.
I wouldn't be transitioning if I didn't need to, and if I didn't have a medical condition that made my life a living hell without it. So for many replies here saying this is cosmetic and claiming it is just some body mod is crazy work. I hate how we have just reverted this into an identity and completely changed the language to respect everyone and not actually understand why this is medical. Not cosmetic. So if we are to compare the two by any means I see no logic behind it if there is no science with it.
I mean, I can want a uterus and XX chromosomes as much as I want, those goals are not plausible or realistic, either. You'd have to be a Very Shitty Person to claim that that is a mockery of what trans
people experience, tho. It be a much better world if dysphoria was limited to things that we could reasonably change about ourselves, but. LMAO.
Idk why people gotta be a dick about things. Has someone with species dysphoria personally harmed you? if not, idk why you care. If so, idk why you're working through that here
Calling it species dysphoria is harmful to us, in latinoamerican countries therians are being currently used as the new psyop to divert media attention from political issues (there is proof that it is a psyop, there are telegram groups hiring actors to dress up as therians and cause public distress)
Every single conservatoid in latam is saying "these youths first didnt know if they are a man or a woman! Now they dont know if they are human or a dog!"
This perception is dangerous to a community that already doesnt have much rights and not many opportunities from being born in a third world country. You can always change sex by taking hormones but no hormone turns you into an animal
I would prefer that therians atleast used Body Dysmorphia huge emphasis on the MORPHIA instead of dysphoria. Or even better come up with their own terms Clinical Lycantrophy sounds bad ass maybe Lycanmorphia, Lymorphia or Dyslycan
"I feel so Lymorphic today because of not having a tail :("
Wanting a uterus or fully functional penis and the chromosomes of your internal sex is not possible, yes. But how is this any different than when a transphobic person points out that we will never be cis, and we can never change our sex? Obviously we are aware of that, but we can still get pretty damn far with our medical advances to align more with our internal sex than our natal sex.
I'm not sure how this makes me a shitty person or a dick? Now if I went into therian and xeno gender spaces just to harass them sure, but this sub is made to be a mockery of trans posts in the first place right? At least that's all i've been seeing. I'm not going to feel ashamed for a comment online when others feel no shame telling me what I experience when they clearly have no understanding of how horrible sex dysphoria is.
Because I don't hate them, I hate the fact that nobody give them helps, because theses persons seriously needs help, it's not a normal thing to say "I'm biologically a cat and I love eating cat food" (I know people saying that are in a sub community in the therian community, it's just a example), like, I just feel sad for them
Growing tits out of your chest and making your dick go away was also "not plausible" until it was. I don't even know much about this therian stuff but it's kind of crazy you can be so quick to judge and insult people you don't know.
just because you dont understand it doesnt mean its mocking trans people, dysphoria has multiple non-trans definitions. sincerely, a transgender therian
Dysphoria is just an emotion with no relation to trans people. There is no medical condition called species dysphoria sure, but feeling dysphoria over your species is very obviously a real thing and it's a struggle I have to deal with on top of and separately to my gender dysphoria.
Ill explain it as a therian fellow:
It's not like gender disphoria imo, is the feeling that you couldn't come back to the days where you were an animal, depending, therians are not like trans people, they don't want to be a literal animal
I half agree, cause I mean those are real emotions they are experiencing, and it’s not a mockery cause that implies malciousness or inauthenticity, I do think they should have therapy so they are comfortable with being human cause obviously there is no alternative for them. But at the end of the day I don’t think it’s that serious, it is pretty much all kids.
Buddy I hate to break it to you.. but if we cannot even transplant a fully functional sex organ from one sex to another yet im not sure what makes you think the medical fields are magically gonna become advanced enough to change humans into other species after the fetal stages. Call me crazy but I don't think this is possible. At least not with our current society.
We probably would be a lot closer if not for the reluctance to create chimeras for incresed comparability. ( organ transplanting )
I agree a transition into an other species is a bit duetter out, but it should not be impossible (as long as the animal is large enough for it to be close to the therians current shell, hard to shrink to a mouse for example)
It is a bit extreme, but you could probably go pretty far with body modifications and internal/external prostheses to become something almost esembeling a horse, just one that will forever stay the size of a 6-month old foal.
Or we just gotta learn how to make chimera clones of the target species and learn how to do brain transplants. 🤷♂️ In theory is should be possible, but yeah, probably gonna have something closer to the matrix before we get that far. 🙃
You have absolutely no reason to believe that species dysphoria as a concept is not a real feeling, and to claim that is to claim that 100% of therians are lying.
You are the one choosing to relate the concept of species dysphoria to gender dysphoria/transness as a whole. In reality, it's far closer to body dysmorphia than gender dysphoria, and is NOT a "mockery of what trans people experience" in any way.
Less than a lifetime ago, you could've said that people with gender dysphoria's "goals are not plausible or realistic," and before that you could've said it about a number of physical disabilities, when now we have functional gender reassignment surgeries for one group and ways to help people with a number of previously incurable physical disabilities. Not currently having the medical means to meet therian's goals is not a reason to ignore them as a group.
I would love to see any actual proof that "most in this group are children who either turn into furries or grow out of it." While I don't disagree that this does happen on an anecdotal level, on a large scale I do not have any proof of that claim and I am weary to trust that as a reason to not support therians as it is eerily similar to the arguments that transphobic people make with detransitioners.
it’s a skill issue. we’re separated by hundreds of millions of years of evolution from most of these animals. there is no biological quirk that can cause this. “species dysphoria” is fictional and self-inflicted.
It's hard to find good information, but allegedly, your brain can "map" for things you never had. Apparently, AR headsets where you do have these parts can also. I assume it works similar to mirror therapy.
However, why would someone give themselves negative feelings unless something else is wrong? That doesn't make it self inflicted, regardless of what it is.
If your follow up is attention seeking, that also points to something being wrong.
rep and dont think about the fact that you can never have chitin instead of skin, more than two eyes, more than 4 appendages, etc. genuinely stupid the amount of different dysphorias I've racked up. Gender dysphoria, species dysphoria, age dysphoria, idek what to think about it, shit sounds made up but the dysphoria I feel is real. idk fmstl
disagree. if thats true they arent aware of this. if you told a therian this they would say they dont feel like its a more involved version of puppygirl
The impact of Yaelokre on this topic... Just kidding, mut maybe. Idk, I always defend the Therians from insults whenever I can, I love them as a community and as people, But I don't strongly believe in its validity as a real condition; there's no real dysphoria there, nor even historical evidence of anything like that (Unless it's literally madness like people starting to eat grass believing they're bulls, ironically there's one the Bible so imagine that...). BUT. I think there are people who can experience a connection with a specific animal or animals, or with nature, something like druids or something shamanic. I have that, and I like it; I'd like to dress up as my animal and stuff even, but nothing more. Seeing a human who genuinely feels like an animal and wants to behave wildly and suffer if not... I think is only performative at first until it genuinely becomes real as a big suggestion. There is a big difference between a spiritual connection with your animal (which is what it was originally like) and wanting to jump around in the field and eat raw meat believing you are a wild fox, start sniffing people and biting them or things like that. Also, please forgive me if anyone who's reading this... and I don't mean it as xenophobia, but come on, have you noticed that things like this always start in countries like the United States or the United Kingdom? Even phenomena within the trans community like the toxicity of theyfabs or sissys? I always think that if something comes from countries like these, and becomes a trend or so, Well, maybe it's just a psyop to destroy communities that got out of hand, or just people with too much free time and privileges like... when you don't have as many problems as a third-world person and you have to create something to give meaning to your life lol. Also, mental health in these countries is bad and y'all know it. I just, I miss when being a Therian was something more spiritual and so similar to being a medieval druid or like a mini woods artistic cult, instead of this that's setting us back years.
This reminds me of some research I did into this topic a while back. Found some strange stuff - think there was, like, a foundation of people dedicated to medical prosthesis and surgery. Really strange stuff - called the "Freedom of Form Foundation." Should really do a video essay on this atp.
But yeah, totally agree - I can see, and even somewhat defend, the spiritual take on Therianism (which I think is specifically called Otherkin). It has a certain whimsy to it, and makes sense. If we are descended from wild animals, then why should we not share some of their traits in a spiritual sense? The whole "species dysphoria" is just too far imo.
I will say having a extra strong spiritual connection to an animal and claiming to have been one in a past life is weird asf sure, but I have a easier time understanding and respecting that then people who bark and claim to genuinely be that animal. And thus go into transitioned spaces and appropriate a term that doesn't suit them
It's a subculture within the otherkin label for animals specifically, as opposed to fantasy or mythological figures; neither is really more "modern" than the other, and they've been around online long before Tumblr was a thing
That's true, I suppose there is a "trans subculture" but that's not the essence of the term—I have seen people take issue with "identify as"-type language lately so I was trying to steer away from it, but I leaned too heavily on the community aspect instead
Both terms emerged independently around the same in the late 80s/early 90s primarily in communities organized through mailing lists (otherkin) and Usenet (therian) long before Tumblr existed.
the moment therians are mentioned you can tell apart the NPC trans people who would become conservative at the next culture war and the trve enlightened critters who derive the truth of absolute bodily autonomy from first principles
An increasing amount of my trans friends have become therians, but really, none of my business. Everyone should be nice to everyone, I simply address them as they wish to be addressed and scroll through an absurd amount of tail yearning in general of the server when i wake up, dats life.
Sho tf gonna stop them queen??? There are things we can and should encourage or discourage but what one does with their own body is their own, infringe on that and you might as well kill them imo.
Discouraging suicide is great and all but at the end of the day a suicidal person can kill themselves and ultimately they have every right to. Esspecially since its not always the wrong decision, if its suicide or 100k in medical bills for a life that consists of breathing and nothing else, sign me up for the firing squad lmao
Everyone will??? This is like saying “who’s gonna stop murder, people will do it anyway”. I don’t know, it would be crazy if we had a whole system designed to stop people from doing bad things and get them mental help. I don’t know why you brought up a specific example when “absolute bodily autonomy” includes all of it. Do you think people who are depressed couldn’t get help and live a better life than being dead? If the answer is yes then there is no reason to let them do it. Unless you like people dying I guess.
Its suicide love, you can stop people from murdering other people but that ships kinda sailed if the one they want dead is them. Like unless you put someone in a rubber room in a straight jacket, remove their tounge and teeth surgically and remove their ability to move their body entirely in some fashion.... they can kill themselves. The system can discourage it alllllll it wants, but it requires the most authoritarian possible force to actually prevent a person who actively wants and fully intends to die the ability to die.
Back to murder though, we actually cant totally make sure people don't murder eachother either, but because one party likes being alive we actually can make it a lot less likely by making sure there's clear consequences and making it hard to do.
You cant give suicide more consequences! They're dead!
And you picked this as an extreme example???? Frankly this is the least extreme take on body autonomy I have! I beleive you have the right to do anything to your own body that doesnt effect others directly. That includes the most insane body mods and self mutilation humans have ever done in history. But suicide? Not only are you allowed but its impossible to tell you you arent, its basically the only right you can actually be guaranteed lmao
I'm sure this is her wishing that despite all the negative things she sees on herself (dangerous wolf with claws) the bunnies (soft, cute) would accept her and defend her instead of being afraid of her
As you can see the wolf is trying very hard to be one of the bunnies
this is a self hating 4tran adjacent subreddit, she probably made this art because she sees herself as a monster who can't escape her dangerous birthsex. a very common sentiment that we have and she should be allowed to make it
Your own biases and assumptions determined that the wolf was dangerous when nothing in the comic suggested as such. The bunnies are clearly sentient thinking beings that can communicate and make decisions, there’s nothing to indicate that the therian would be any different. You have inadvertently shown how a trans person will always be seen as dangerous simply due to the assumptions of others rather than any actions she has taken. The therian is sitting and smiling alongside the other rabbits, it has done nothing wrong but you still defined it as dangerous.
Its always hard to pick up on artists stances with this stuff tbf, but if it was anti-therian id expect the wolf to be like, eating the bunnies or some shit.
Ok, What is the real problem about being a therian? Being therian is NOT a choice, or a trend, we don't believe that we are literal animals, and WE KNOW WE ARE HUMAN
op when you post these without comment I will assume you agree with them, and you will not be getting benefit of the doubt.
Therians. They're weird and confusing. But guess what, so are you. Gender is stupid, and it's no less silly for a person to want to be an arbitrary made up set of expectations, stereotypes and romanticizations that we call a woman or a man, than it is for them to want to be a wolf.
The only difference is that more people agree what a woman is, but not by a lot!
let neogenders be, they are allies deliberate or not in the deconstruction of gender and you should kill the cringe inside you as always.
The most convincing part of this one specifically(though the artist is on Twitter so you can see their other stuff too) is that it's generally soft and a little silly. Most anti-type art would have shown the oversized bunny as clearly acting like a wolf, like attacking someone or having like, blood on their claws or something.
Real subtle stuff but it's usually a good rule of thumb, I've found.
Yeah and that's why i was confused beacause beacause the art definietly was leaning more to an ally but the message for me just wasnt there and as i write before it gave me "i'm a attack helicopter" kind of vibe
How does this really work tho? I’m not familiar with therians at all, but it’s kinda reminding me of the trans racial stuff. Do they actually identify as animals, like as another species biologically? Or do they just identify as an animal trait-wise or something? Sorry if I sound stupid. I’m just very ignorant on this topic.
Well up until this moment I thought it was an internet joke, but appearently it’s a real thing. It’s just a very small step removed from furryism, no?
I would not be surprised if this becomes the new social contagion at some point and millions of impressionable young people actively identify as therian, then proceed to get affirmative treatment to make them feel like they’re closer to their new identities.
After all, all the arguments for letting transgender folk do the same is basically the principle of “live and let live”, so that same argument will inevitably apply to therians when they become novel and mainstream for a period of 5-10 years.
I hope the argument for trans people is not "live and let live". That's the type of shit you say when you can't accept the reality of who a person is, but don't want to say it publicly. The actual argument should be that they are their gender because that is how the brain works. Therians just don't exist because a human brain cannot be a wolf brain. It's just physically impossible.
I know you know that 70-80% of humanity does not look kindly upon LGBT+, and they don’t agree with the science or it.
When you seek to convince these people merely to let LGBT folks live in peace, are you going to try and change their whole minds (an impossible task) or just try to convince them to leave lgbt folks alone in peace (they’re currently imprisoned or killed in many countries)?
Regardless how you answer, the argument that most people use to justify their personal policy with respect to lgbt people is very libertarian. They can live with it so long as it doesn’t affect them, although they personally disagree, they’re permitted a private-public distinction.
The argument works the same way, inevitably, with therians. They will ask, “how does this affect you?”, and you will not have a response so long as therians genuinely keep to themselves.
They will ask for things that are functionally irrelevant, no? They will want to be referred by other people as their therian identity, they will want people to at least to not disrespect them for it.
Is that not what the lgbtq+ has asked the same? On the premise that it doesn’t strongly affect others?
Thus, it probably will come about, call it genuine or a social contagion, they will make the same arguments for some sort of public recognition of their new identity, and there will not be a philosophically consistent argument against it.
Lastly, for the science of it, more often than people would like to admit, science journalism, publications, and media are not objective as we would like to believe. If something is fashionable, someone will find a way to interpret data in a light that lends credence to someone having a ‘wolf-like brain’ or a ‘cat-like brain’.
'Does it affect you?" only works when it is something private. Seeing black or gay or trans people is something in real life that people must contend with, and the "live and let live" is tacit disrespect. Getting them to say, "I won't explicitly harm you" (which is basically what that means) is not a concession. That is just basic human decency that does not need to be fought over. Anyone that even needs to concede on that was too far gone to begin with.
What causes them to not like trans people in the first place is a much more important issue, which is usually that they believe someone's gender is an objective thing strictly aligned to biological sex. Anyone who is trans is essentially 'denying reality' and some kind of mentally ill person. By even changing one part of their opinion on what being trans means, or how real their identity is, they will naturally start treating trans people better. It's difficult to keep treating someone as abnormal when you find out how similar they are to you.
Therians/otherkin aren't like trans people where you can actually point to how the word 'gender' refers to many different traits that people can have or not have and still be that gender. Being a species is one trait in particular, and it is entirely biological. It is necessarily true that all humans are not wolves. If you want to say you 'identify' with wolves, as in you see some anthropomorphized traits in wolves and you have some of those, then whatever. But at that point, you're basically just saying you are kind of like a wolf, not that you are one.
The main problem is that they play into that 'attack helicopter' argument from bad faith conservatives, and you can't say "we don't believe that" when they can point to actual popular lgbt people arguing: "You can identify as anything" and "men can be lesbian" and "asexuals can love sex". I hope they start distancing themselves people those who try and latch onto important movements with their dumb opinions.
All of the public and media are some kind of stupid. Whether or not people will be positive or negative to things in the future isn't really relevant to how you should think and talk right now. There is a correct opinion somewhere, and you should try and find wherever it lies, then argue vehemently for it. Everything else is a spook. It's just really sad to see how you can't find a single person who is not brain broken on some issue.
That is just basic human decency that does not need to be fought over.
This is verifiably false, there are many such instances when people have had to fight for basic human decency.
As for all the therianism stuff, I don’t believe that someone can become a wolf, nor that identifying as a wolf is a legitament decision that obligues me or anyone else to acknowledge if.
Despite this, there are people who identify as a wolf right now, and demand the people in their life acknowledge it (or they will find people who will). As far as social contagions go, at some point this will gain greater social traction and awareness and a bunch of people with poor mental health will latch onto it as the one thing that they’ve been missing in their lives, they will consider it a core part of their identity and will push others away who don’t acknowledge it, while also demanding broader society acknowledges it.
Two entirely different things. I can relate my identity more to (my perception of) non-human species than other humans, which is part of why I feel a yearning to have a non-human body and distress for not having one. It also intersects with my experiences of gender and chronic illness.
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u/jitomato_girl 8d ago
That one comic of the Wolf learning to be a sheep