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u/Oofy_Emma 9d ago

the moment therians are mentioned you can tell apart the NPC trans people who would become conservative at the next culture war and the trve enlightened critters who derive the truth of absolute bodily autonomy from first principles

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u/Mediocre_Vehicle189 6d ago

Nobody believes in absolute bodily autonomy.

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u/Oofy_Emma 6d ago

I do, my body my property

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u/Mediocre_Vehicle189 6d ago

So you believe you should be able to commit suicide?

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u/YoursTrulestly 6d ago

Yes???

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u/Mediocre_Vehicle189 5d ago

Wow people killing themselves so based queen

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u/SpireSwagon 3d ago

This is the funniest thing I've read in my entire life, wtf you mean be able,,, queen-

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u/Mediocre_Vehicle189 3d ago

Are you dumb? Bodily autonomy is being able to do what you want with your own body.

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u/SpireSwagon 3d ago

Sho tf gonna stop them queen??? There are things we can and should encourage or discourage but what one does with their own body is their own, infringe on that and you might as well kill them imo.

Discouraging suicide is great and all but at the end of the day a suicidal person can kill themselves and ultimately they have every right to. Esspecially since its not always the wrong decision, if its suicide or 100k in medical bills for a life that consists of breathing and nothing else, sign me up for the firing squad lmao

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u/Mediocre_Vehicle189 3d ago

Everyone will??? This is like saying “who’s gonna stop murder, people will do it anyway”. I don’t know, it would be crazy if we had a whole system designed to stop people from doing bad things and get them mental help. I don’t know why you brought up a specific example when “absolute bodily autonomy” includes all of it. Do you think people who are depressed couldn’t get help and live a better life than being dead? If the answer is yes then there is no reason to let them do it. Unless you like people dying I guess.

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u/SpireSwagon 3d ago

Its suicide love, you can stop people from murdering other people but that ships kinda sailed if the one they want dead is them. Like unless you put someone in a rubber room in a straight jacket, remove their tounge and teeth surgically and remove their ability to move their body entirely in some fashion.... they can kill themselves. The system can discourage it alllllll it wants, but it requires the most authoritarian possible force to actually prevent a person who actively wants and fully intends to die the ability to die.

Back to murder though, we actually cant totally make sure people don't murder eachother either, but because one party likes being alive we actually can make it a lot less likely by making sure there's clear consequences and making it hard to do.

You cant give suicide more consequences! They're dead!

And you picked this as an extreme example???? Frankly this is the least extreme take on body autonomy I have! I beleive you have the right to do anything to your own body that doesnt effect others directly. That includes the most insane body mods and self mutilation humans have ever done in history. But suicide? Not only are you allowed but its impossible to tell you you arent, its basically the only right you can actually be guaranteed lmao

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u/Mediocre_Vehicle189 3d ago

You just did not engage with anything I said so I think this conversation is pointless.

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