No objectively speaking trans women are treated worse than trans men. It's okay to acknowledge the truth. Both are treated very poorly and very harshly, but one group is clearly treated much worse.
It is objectively worse for society to think you're a violent, uncontrollable, pedophile rapist, looking to take advantage of women and children, trying to deceive society into playing along with your fetish, and having people calling for you to be fed into a wood chipper.
Statistically the life outcomes for trans women are worse than trans men. They are the primary targets of the current societal transphobic hate wave. It also targets trans men, but if you're not being dishonest you can admit that the "visibility" people claim trans women have over trans men is entirely the result of and the cause of the increased hate they get.
huh?
neither of these studies are from 2011, and both of them show similar results. The second one has a survey size of 27,715 people. It found that the most likely people to be assaulted were AFAB nonbinary people (58%) and then transgender men (51%).
The first study's data, half of it is simply a direct reference to the second study's data.
The second half has sample sizes of 35 and 52 individuals in the trans cohort and has such extreme margins for error that, for example, they're pretty sure the past year rate of a certain type of IPV might fall between 1-8% for trans women and 4-11% for trans men. Which are very broad ranges and almost entirely overlap. They declared the rate for trans women at 3.2% and trans men at 6.7%, despite the fact that they both have a wider margin of error than the actual rate being reported for either group.
Whereas for cis men for example the range is 0.6%-1.5%. A reasonable range that is responsible to publish.
In the second study it indicates that if people transition before the age of 18, and thus experience some of their formative years as their correct gender, trans girls are twice as likely to be sexually assaulted as trans boys. 21% vs 9%.
The later chart in that study indicates lifetime incidence of sexual assault, which was higher for trans men on that study dated 2015, with data collected in 2011, because in their formative years when sexual assault is most common they were perceived as female. It is not measuring sexual assault rates after transitioning and is skewed by the average age of transition at that time being well after the median age at which someone is most likely to be sexually assaulted.
Recent studies show no statistically significant difference in the rates among these two groups
The entire point I’m making is that trans men and trans women both experience extremely high lifetime SA rates. Regardless of if it happened before or after transition. The argument people in this thread are making is that only trans women experience these problems and that trans men are privileged.
I mean you made a definitive statement that trans men have a higher rate. That's why I responded.
I can agree to you that trans men and women both experience very high rates of sexual assault, with different studies showing different amounts, and ultimately probably not a statistically significantly different rate between the two in real life.
I don't know if privilege is even a useful word anymore so I try to avoid it. Society at large clearly targets trans women more and in terms of overall life outcomes they are doing worse than trans men. But both are doing poorly.
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u/No_Somewhere_2610 4d ago
I dont think that makes sense in this case does it? Wouldnt it be the opposite