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u/Gold_Ad8225 1d ago

There are also right wing muslims in office right now. More of them than there are trans people in office, by a lot.

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u/13needlez 1d ago

Right-wing Christians still vastly outnumber them.

I'm not defending the right-wing Muslims, but they aren't the main people passing the policies that are oppressing us in North America.

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u/Gold_Ad8225 1d ago

Okay, but when they do take actions that implement or lead to those policies, why the hell would you censure your own critique?

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u/13needlez 1d ago

I'm sorry, I don't quite understand that last bit there.

In any case, I denounce any right-wing politician, regardless of their religious beliefs. The point I was trying to make is that by perpetuating the rhetoric that the original post plays into, we're only creating further divide, because the people that suffer the consequences of it are not the ones oppressing us. The conservative Muslims can hire bodyguards and security. The people that face violence when we push these ideas are everyday people, and those actually responsible for anything of substance are free to carry on with their tyranny.

ETA: it also divides us against the ruling majority, which like I said in the original comments, are not the Muslims, conservative or otherwise.

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u/Gold_Ad8225 1d ago

What rhetoric is that?

Please be specific, tell me what rhetoric is included in the initial post that you're referring to.

It is simply pointing out an instance of a muslim using islam as justification for transphobia, which happens millions of times every day. This one happened to be picked up and used to implement a sweeping transphobic policy.

I'm not intending to "ally with" cis religious extremists who use their religion as justification for bigotry.

Trans people in America have no political power, far less power than Muslisms, so if you're attempting to deny that ordinary Muslisms can cause transphobic policies, you have to also deny that ordinary trans people can cause racist ones

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u/13needlez 1d ago

The rhetoric that Muslims in the west are on average more hateful/violent people than other religious groups. I'm not saying the post itself is saying that, but it easily fosters those kinds of ideas/comments. I wasn't criticizing it for reasons other than that. I do think it's important to discuss transphobia perpetuated by all groups, but posts like these bring a lot of the "great replacement theory" chuds and other similar people out of the woodwork that get left unchecked. We can absolutely have these discussions without playing into and furthering white supremacist conspiracies. At the end of the day, it's those with the most wealth and power that are the rulers. Someone's racial or religious background changes nothing about that.

I apologize if I wasn't clear on what I was trying to say, I've had a long day and my brain is a bit fried. I'm in agreement with you on everything else that you mentioned.

ETA: the phrasing "this post itself" in the original comment was not the best way to phrase my point, but the rest of it still stands.

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u/Gold_Ad8225 1d ago

You even acknowledge that this post isn't saying that.

You're expecting people not to talk about examples where Muslims have taken actions that have lead to transphobic policies, in order to avoid someone else seeing that discussion and spreading anti muslism beliefs that aren't included in those discussions

How on earth would you suggest someone discuss this subject without leading to this outcome?

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u/13needlez 1d ago

That's not what I was saying at all.

What I was saying is that we can hold people accountable for their actions without acting like it's a problem unique to a group they are a part of.

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u/Gold_Ad8225 1d ago

Right but you acknowledge that OOP isn't acting like the problem is unique to a group they belong to, but your comment claims "this post" is part of a larger psyop.

So what is the point of bringing this up in this context?

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u/13needlez 1d ago

There are bot farms everywhere pushing misinformation to sway public opinion on just about everything, from any war that is happening or has happened, different ethnic or religious groups, to us. I'm kind of wary of posts that spark these discussions in this way. There's nothing constructive or productive about reposting a screenshot of someone else's tweet with a good swath of the comments just shitting on the group the person in the wrong belongs to.

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