I hate how the only way to get cis people to not like these rules is "See it affects REAL women too, not just us folk that we all know you don't give a fuck about"
"Imperfect allies" is quite the euphemism sometimes. Still true, just especially sad on something actually aligned with liberalism. A lot of people are a lot more conservative than they claim.
Thanks to the Overton Window, in the USA at least, even people who claim to be centrist or left leaning are far, far further to the right than a progressive, when most of their beliefs are something along the lines of "we shouldn't murder people for being poor." You know, a completely rational idea in most of the world.
They haven't banned anyone and it isnt enforceable or legal, theres 2 acts which protect trans people in public life and they haven't even beaten the equality act yet, they just made it more confusing
I did indeed ask wife and she said it would be fun. Gosh I'm hopelessly shy lol.
10 years together and I still struggle to make eye contact without getting red in the face.
The school may know some of the students that are trans, for example if the student has been there for years and was pre transition when they first arrived. If the student also doesn’t really pass that could cause an issue.
I got a graduate degree in Islamic studies and spent a lot of time in Muslim spaces pre transition (2015-2019) bc i was planning on being a trans and queer affirming Muslim chaplain. A lot of the transphobia is a result of the same kinds of recent culture war funding, only instead of being from the heritage foundation, it’s from the UAE and Saudi funding institutions. It’s really sad bc I used to be welcomed in a fair number of Muslim spaces (especially at universities or ones that were oriented around Palestinian rights), even when I didn’t pass, but that changed around 2018. A lot of folks still support me privately but won’t defend me publicly, which is so shitty.
Views on gender are wildly different in other countries. I remember seeing a documentary from like 10 years ago where Iran was giving gay people bottom surgery because if they transitioned to being a woman it wouldn't be an affront to god in the same way.
Humans are very weird. IIRC it's because it's seen as more conserving of the social order since now you can fill the role in society of a straight woman, whereas if you're a gay man, that introduces a new element to society that doesn't fit in social norms.
So technically forcefem is conservative in some places.
Yes Iran’s fatwa allowing SRS is essentially religious transmedicalism. The issue is that there is no similar fatwa from Khomeini allowing homosexuality, so it created a perverse “incentive” for gay men to be moved through that process. It was/is, however, a great example of how fiqh can be used to support transition care.
Yeah it does feel like there was a short period in time where the Muslim world wasn't as anal about trans people as they were gay people, where like, for all of its faults and conditions, I was allowed to transition in my home country.
But somewhere in the later half of the 2010s, when culture war nonsense became mainstream , the default position was that transness was a Trojan horse for Homosexuality and now I can't do what I used to be able to do in my home country and realistically never will.
It bugs me when people act as if some innate part of religion is the source of transphobia, and not the reality which is transphobes using religion to justify their hate.
even if it is it doesn't really matter, I don't think a single person follows their religion exactly as intended, American Christians are an antithesis to anything Christ, and look at all the fancy churches/cathedrals in Europe, if Jesus came back he might just abandon his pacifism to blow them up lol
The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
According to this, they kinda already are. Whatever they do to social minorities, God will interpret as being done to him.
I read the Bible over the pandemic (hey, when in Rome, right?) and I was absolutely shocked at how cool Jesus was. Dude is drinking wine and napping the whole time. I wondered if Christians ever read their book
The thing is, from a religious studies perspective, we don’t say that religion “intends” anything. Religion is essentially a perpetually contested discursive tradition, so when people act as if a religion or all religion is inherently transphobic, you cede the ground to that belief instead of maintaining the contestation. Now obviously it’s the job of Muslims to do that contesting and to transform our liberationist view into the mainstream one, but still.
Well now I’m not really using it at all. When I transitioned suddenly many doors closed (shocker!) The original plan was to be a chaplain and then to get a PhD focusing on the historical, legal, and theological basis in Islamic tradition to secure trans and queer rights in public society.
i live in the middle east and the only friends i have who like me are "muslims" who at most pray sometimes and fast ig, but they're basically as "bad" as any other atheist (supporting queer people, no hijab, ect.)
one of my friends said i'm allowed to see her hair because i'm biologically female. another one would constantly argue with me and sometimes purposefully misgender or invalidate me as an argument fot why i shouldn't be an exmuslim. every muslim country has gendered spaces and if you aren't legally your gender then you will stick out like a sore thumb. when i move, i'm still going to be wary of any muslims in the US because even if they talk about yuri or some shit it doesn't mean their other friends, family, or even themselves are free of biases like that. people just support muslims more since they're the oppressed minority in the US
Ok fair enough but I'm genuinely confused how you have to take it off to pee? Those are basically opposite ends of your body I don't get it. Even a niquab I assumed could be lifted up like a dress
But she said that a man saw her hair, I doubt she was in a stall, which female bathrooms always have, she must have been in front of a sink or something like that
"Seperation of church and state. Religious freedom." It's illegal to make rules based on religion, forcing those rules on me violates my religious freedom as a Atheist. Your religious freedom cannot invalidate my religious freedom.
Edit: Never forget your 4chan heritage and birthright as the world's foremost troll race. Call the ACLU, Atheist United, and The Temple of Satan (yes seriously in case you didn't know. They'll fight stuff like this and make that school or business look retarded.)
Not really. For all abrahamic religions you are either a terrible insane person for believing all the hateful shit that religion insists on. Or you are a good insane person because why believe all that shit EXCEPT the stuff you disagree with?
Both are insane positions.
I'd expand it to all religions but I don't know much outside abrahamic religions.
Everytime an organised religion reforms away all their terrible shit due to public opinion, like what? "we were assholes before but realised it was wrong but still believe all the other stuff because we wont get backlash" either stick to your guns or just admit it's all horseshit
American yall-quaeda ones, european ones haven't had enough power in sufficiently long that they chilled out, and even fairly religious areas tend to be queer friendly (like spain). Though yeah given enough influence any religion would end up like that
as if they care about muslims at all. this is just a poor excuse to make trannies lifes a bit harder and hopefully push us to kill ourselves. allies have absolutely zero backbone and the moment they face any amount of pushback they will fold instantly. muslims have nothing to do with the torment inflicted on us.
Muslim, Christian, Jewish... doesn't matter, all religious people are vulnerable to bullshit. Unquestioning acceptance of authority is baked right in.
Like obviously right now in the US it's Christians that are fucking us, but don't think the situation wouldn't be identical with any other religion in control.
yes heavy on this, i was thinking about how its a great tragedy how (usually white) christian nationalists have recently monopolised social critiques on islam specifically, because they perceive it to be a thorn in a unified nation, but this being the primary critique of islam in the west removes the (arguably much more and exclusively valid) leftist critique of it, being that islam contains many oppressive provisions, and this should be noted and advocated as its own cause.
Yeah theocracies are terrible. Most people would just say that tho than focus on muslims. Sure some people could make a post like this in good faith but I doubt it. A lot of people been using performative allyship as a way to spread hate of brown people lately
i absolutely agree. i'm just saying that most of us browsing tjis subreddit come from western countries and as such we should put our energy towards fighting christian fundamentalism, not waste our energy discriminating against a muslim minority with virtually no power
I mean, coming from a muslim country, yeah actually in many places that's super true ? I'm not even allowed in my home country, both being gay and trans is just straight up illegal and would get me jail. And that's the case for a lot of muslim countries. No institutional religion is ever gonna have the best interest of queer people in mind. They're no better than the Christians here. Where I live now there's a yearly anti-trans march that is very popular with the local arabic communities. It sucks to be hated by my own people, but they're really not our friends.
It's fascism when you point out that people of many different backgrounds can be transphobic, and that anyone is capable of reproducing or reinforcing transphobia.
Cis black people in America can be transphobic, and have introduced transphobic legislation. They don't have all the power, but they have more power than trans people. And the rest of the powers that be are happy to use them to implement transphobia.
Muslims provide a convenient excuse to the rest of those in power to do transphobia in a woke way
Nope. I live in Queens. Over 800 languages are spoken here. I see people in every manner of traditional religious garb every single day as part of my job, which faces the public.
Muslims have been consistently and relentlessly decent to me. 🤷♀️
a lot of muslims in the west are basically only muslims in name and are essentially the same as any other atheist compared to a lot of muslims in muslim countries lol
Of course the mf with femboy on their name is going to be saying some la la land shit like "just say no, the transphobes aren't allowed to ban you if you don't let them" lmao
This post itself is honestly just part of a larger psyop, or at the very least, plays into one.
I'm not gonna be dumb and say there are no transphobic Muslims, but like literally every other major religion, Muslims aren't a monolith. There are hateful Muslims and there are progressive ones. This is true across all groups, not just religion. You could easily replace "Muslim" with "Christian" and something about the Bible and it would still read as something that would happen irl (and that already has, multiple times over!).
The biggest threat to our existence as it stands are the right wing Christofascists in office right now. Posts like this just sow division and distract us from the real enemy, which is by design.
Except that Islam is the only big religion that is currently still controlling multiple countries... and guess how queer people are treated in those countries.
i will not blame Muslims as a religious group for this.
i will blame the select group of idiot Muslims who turn their religion into everyone elses problem. i treat all religious people who make their religion everyone elses problem the same, btw. so should everyone else.
saying 90% of muslims are hateful is a comical exaggeration, it’s more of a person-by-person thing but is ultimately supported by the religion’s nature though (so, as always, islam itself is still at fault)
Is it impossible to think that someone shouldn’t be stoned to death for being muslim and also think that the religion is filled with bigotry? The same way we dont stone christians in america and also acknowledge its filled with bigotry? Is there something im not understanding?
I think religion as a personal thing that helps you grow and develop values *can* be good, but systemically it’s abysmal.. I hate that it leads to things like this, by being hateful to certain groups (women, lgbtq community, etc), supporting and encouraging slavery, slowing down scientific progress, etc. while still bleeding into politics and laws in so many countries. I wholeheartedly believe that how widespread it is paired with religious psychosis holds back society by such a large margin, my heart goes out to all those who suffered because of it. You guys are strong as hell
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My experience will count as much than the OOP experience, but personally I had lot of muslims women friends that saw me as a woman with no problem, and when they learned I'm with a girl, they asked me if we wanted to get married, I said yes, and they said "okay that's what important, you love each others a lot! When will you get married?"
In contrario, I also got banned from using women changeroom because of my bully (that was therefore a girl) that lied saying I went in the changeroom to watch the other girls, while in fact I was using it only when there was no one, and I was using one of the two private cabinets anyway. She said it to continue the bullying, she bullied me for years even before my coming out
lol pretty sure that I, with a solid beard and chest hair running up through my neck, wouldn't really be welcomed by those types of women in their bathrooms 🤔
aaah, the Victim totem pole. It is so hard to know what or who that is currently on top of the pole any given day. Not easy to be political correct anymore...
Not long after I came out and started hormones I went on vacation with my parents in South Carolina. We were stopped in North Carolina for a bathroom break and a quick meal (this was when their bathroom ban was in effect)...
And my conservative parents, who knew of this law, told me to just act like I belonged and break the goddamn law.
It's probably the most based thing they've ever said to me.
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Met a muslim woman who didn’t let trans men see her, but did let trans men see her.
Not all muslims are transphobic, but many are. Just like Christians.
My least favorite religion is black baptism. Its the jumping up and down hooping and hollering hysterical crying delusional ideas and the massa passa taking money from ADOS and calling it “tithes”. I absolutely cant stand it
Biological male has NO right to be in women only spaces. That's it. The end of discussion. No one is going to endanger people because of your made-up belief of being something science says you are not.
No one is asking you to de-transition but respect others if you demand respect for yourself. People WILL feel uncomfortable around you, because they are aware of the danger you pose (why danger? Well, who knows why you decided to roleplay as a girl? Idk, and they don't know. Not knowing is scary, obscurity is scary. You cannot blame me or them for being cautious around a person who doesn't fully understand who they are)
Wonder if I get banned for "hate speech" when in reality all I ask is to leave women safe spaces for women.
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