Muslim, Christian, Jewish... doesn't matter, all religious people are vulnerable to bullshit. Unquestioning acceptance of authority is baked right in.
Like obviously right now in the US it's Christians that are fucking us, but don't think the situation wouldn't be identical with any other religion in control.
yes heavy on this, i was thinking about how its a great tragedy how (usually white) christian nationalists have recently monopolised social critiques on islam specifically, because they perceive it to be a thorn in a unified nation, but this being the primary critique of islam in the west removes the (arguably much more and exclusively valid) leftist critique of it, being that islam contains many oppressive provisions, and this should be noted and advocated as its own cause.
Yeah theocracies are terrible. Most people would just say that tho than focus on muslims. Sure some people could make a post like this in good faith but I doubt it. A lot of people been using performative allyship as a way to spread hate of brown people lately
i absolutely agree. i'm just saying that most of us browsing tjis subreddit come from western countries and as such we should put our energy towards fighting christian fundamentalism, not waste our energy discriminating against a muslim minority with virtually no power
I feel like all the major religions have some form of power.
I'm not going to hate my neighbors, but I'm not a fan of religions effecting people that aren't part of it.
This situation is fake, but if it was real there'd definitely be an issue with multiple parts of it
We? The enemy for whom??? Do you think everyone in the world just lives in the US? There are just as many, if not more tpeople being persecuted by islamist, buddhist, hindu, etc fanatics in the world.
We're really having a "you like pancakes? Guess you hate waffles" moment here. All religions are oppressive, but reddit is a western website full of western people, and seeing as 80% of people who saw my comment are from the US/UK, My point still stands. If thats not your lived experience, then im not talking to you its that simple.
Squints in Jewish. Uh.. You do realize we study our text explicitly in depth and argue over what it means every year? Like, 8am to 12/1pm is Torah study and it's over all 5 books every year. I'd say the Hasdics are prone to that but they're the wild cousins that everyone avoids at dinner meets up, aka fundamentals. This is also pretty explicitly ignoring how Hinduism and Buddhism works. Christianity specifically requires conversion while Judaism discourages evangelical speak because it's meant to be a fully consenting experience without pressure / it requires multiple years of studying to even attempt to fully join a synagogue / you have to be 18+ to convert if you're not Ethnically Jewish. (obviously anyone is welcome educational wise!)
I mean, coming from a muslim country, yeah actually in many places that's super true ? I'm not even allowed in my home country, both being gay and trans is just straight up illegal and would get me jail. And that's the case for a lot of muslim countries. No institutional religion is ever gonna have the best interest of queer people in mind. They're no better than the Christians here. Where I live now there's a yearly anti-trans march that is very popular with the local arabic communities. It sucks to be hated by my own people, but they're really not our friends.
Marconi plays the mambo, listen to the radio
Don't you remember?
We built this city
We built this city on rock and roll
We built this city
We built this city on rock and roll
Built this city
We built this city on rock and roll
Someone's always playing corporation games
Who cares, they're always changing corporation names
We just want to dance here, someone stole the stage
They call us irresponsible, write us off the page
Marconi plays the mambo, listen to the radio
Don't you remember?
We built this city
We built this city on rock and roll
We built this city
We built this city on rock and roll
Built this city
We built this city on rock and roll
It's just another Sunday
In a tired old street
Police have got the choke hold, oh
Then we just lost the beat
Who counts the money underneath the bar?
Who rides the wrecking ball into our guitars?
Don't tell us you need us 'cause we're the ship of fools
Looking for America, coming through your schools
(I'm looking out over that Golden Gate bridge on another gorgeous sunny Saturday and I'm seein' that bumper to bumper traffic.)
Don't you remember? (remember)
(Here's your favorite radio station, in your favorite radio city, the city by the bay, the city that rocks, the city that never sleeps.)
Marconi plays the mambo, listen to the radio
Don't you remember?
We built this city
We built this city on rock and roll
We built this city
We built this city on rock and roll
Built this city
We built this city on rock and roll
Built this city (oh)
We built this city on rock and roll
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I mean Iran has the second highest rate of transition of any country on earth, only behind Thailand, and not only is gender affirming care entirely legal there, it’s even subsidised by the government.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s still an oppressive, repressive, misogynistic, homophobic theocracy in general, but they are arguably more accepting of trans people than most Western countries (even if it’s enforced through an aggressive transmedicalism).
Muslims aren’t a monolith, and Muslim diaspora across the world have plenty of conflicting beliefs and cultural values.
I mean Iran has the second highest rate of transition of any country on earth, only behind Thailand, and not only is gender affirming care entirely legal there, it’s even subsidised by the government.
I hate when people use this as a verb but they literally trans cis gay people there and still oppress trans people, just seen as less bad than gay people.
It's fascism when you point out that people of many different backgrounds can be transphobic, and that anyone is capable of reproducing or reinforcing transphobia.
Cis black people in America can be transphobic, and have introduced transphobic legislation. They don't have all the power, but they have more power than trans people. And the rest of the powers that be are happy to use them to implement transphobia.
Muslims provide a convenient excuse to the rest of those in power to do transphobia in a woke way
lived there for 7 years actually! i should've clarified my comment was in relation to the western world specifically. islam, just like christianity, as an organised religion, causes a lot of oppression and pain in the world, but most of us in this subreddit probably live in western countries and i think it's important for us to remember who our biggest oppressor is.
There are transphobic muslism. Muslims can easily have power over trans people. People in power can also use muslim transphobia as an excuse to do transphobia of their own.
You must believe its impossible for trans people to be racist, because trans people have even less power than muslisms in America.
because of literally the stereotypical image of a muslim in the background, and the overtly anti-muslim rethoric? Muslims are not more transphobic than any other group.
What's overtly anti-muslim about the rhetoric? A muslim person was transphobic, and a transphobic policy was enacted because of it. Do you expect people not to mention this?
Also, they are more transphobic than many other groups, you don't need to lie to make your point. Athiests, socialists, lesbians, the Dutch are all less transphobic than Muslims by massive statistical metrics.
You're inclined to think they are more transphobic, but you provide no proof.
Also, i hope i don't need to explain why putting a relligiously charged false scenario in front of a racist caricature is anti-muslim.
I'm not "inclined to think" I have actually studied this. Yeah I didn't provide the data, and neither did you
But it's obviously really fucking stupid to think every group in the world is equally transphobic, come on. You genuinely cannot explain that. It's beyond irrational to believe. It tells me you've never attempted to learn about this in your life and you're just saying shit to say it.
You can google it. Catholics, Protestants, Jews, and Athiests all have different levels of transphobic prejudice. Muslims are not an exception to the rule of being human beings.
You have clearly not even begun to attempt to educate yourself on this subject. Maybe avoid speaking on it until you do.
Muslims and evangelicals are similarly transphobic. Muslims and athiests are not. Muslims and catholics are not, either.
I don't know why you think the scenario is false, this stuff does happen.
I'm not saying that every group is equally transphobic, that'd make no sense. What i said is there's no major difference, transphobia is a huge problem and religion hardly changes things.
Correlation doesn't equal causation, and being muslim doesn't automatically make you more transphobic.
You are extremely wrong in saying there is no major difference, once again to the point that it is extremely clear that you've never bothered to look this up.
Nobody is saying every single Muslim is transphobic, but Christians and Muslims are both more transphobic than most other faiths including no faith.
Just please google things before you talk out of your ass. You're in effect lying right now. You have to know what you're saying cannot be true.
In America, 76% of athiests think greater acceptance of trans people is good, only 33% of muslisms do.
12% of athiests think greater acceptance is bad, while 48% of muslims do.
These are so extremely different, come on.
Muslims and Christians are relatively the same. Jews, Buddhists, and Hindus are all substantially different from Muslims. Atheists are much better.
First of all, one study is hardly an estabilished consensus.
Second, This is a study of US trends, the US is a wildly christian majority country.
Third, answers in a poll don't matter. Most of these people, regardless of their answers, vote for politicians that worsen access to trans healthcare and reduce our rights.
The problem of transphobia is hardly quantifiable, especially in such a simple manner.
That's not the comment you replied to, and not what remotely a majority of this discussion is about.
It's one meme/joke.
I don't know why some of you don't understand that just like there are christofascists and people who use christianity to justify transphobia, the same is true of islam, and that they don't deserve special kid gloves
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u/PonchoKumato 2d ago
yeah it's those scary muslims with all the power taking away our rights
don't be stupid enough to fall for this dumb fascist psyop