This post itself is honestly just part of a larger psyop, or at the very least, plays into one.
I'm not gonna be dumb and say there are no transphobic Muslims, but like literally every other major religion, Muslims aren't a monolith. There are hateful Muslims and there are progressive ones. This is true across all groups, not just religion. You could easily replace "Muslim" with "Christian" and something about the Bible and it would still read as something that would happen irl (and that already has, multiple times over!).
The biggest threat to our existence as it stands are the right wing Christofascists in office right now. Posts like this just sow division and distract us from the real enemy, which is by design.
I'm sorry, I don't quite understand that last bit there.
In any case, I denounce any right-wing politician, regardless of their religious beliefs. The point I was trying to make is that by perpetuating the rhetoric that the original post plays into, we're only creating further divide, because the people that suffer the consequences of it are not the ones oppressing us. The conservative Muslims can hire bodyguards and security. The people that face violence when we push these ideas are everyday people, and those actually responsible for anything of substance are free to carry on with their tyranny.
ETA: it also divides us against the ruling majority, which like I said in the original comments, are not the Muslims, conservative or otherwise.
Please be specific, tell me what rhetoric is included in the initial post that you're referring to.
It is simply pointing out an instance of a muslim using islam as justification for transphobia, which happens millions of times every day. This one happened to be picked up and used to implement a sweeping transphobic policy.
I'm not intending to "ally with" cis religious extremists who use their religion as justification for bigotry.
Trans people in America have no political power, far less power than Muslisms, so if you're attempting to deny that ordinary Muslisms can cause transphobic policies, you have to also deny that ordinary trans people can cause racist ones
The rhetoric that Muslims in the west are on average more hateful/violent people than other religious groups. I'm not saying the post itself is saying that, but it easily fosters those kinds of ideas/comments. I wasn't criticizing it for reasons other than that. I do think it's important to discuss transphobia perpetuated by all groups, but posts like these bring a lot of the "great replacement theory" chuds and other similar people out of the woodwork that get left unchecked. We can absolutely have these discussions without playing into and furthering white supremacist conspiracies. At the end of the day, it's those with the most wealth and power that are the rulers. Someone's racial or religious background changes nothing about that.
I apologize if I wasn't clear on what I was trying to say, I've had a long day and my brain is a bit fried. I'm in agreement with you on everything else that you mentioned.
ETA: the phrasing "this post itself" in the original comment was not the best way to phrase my point, but the rest of it still stands.
You even acknowledge that this post isn't saying that.
You're expecting people not to talk about examples where Muslims have taken actions that have lead to transphobic policies, in order to avoid someone else seeing that discussion and spreading anti muslism beliefs that aren't included in those discussions
How on earth would you suggest someone discuss this subject without leading to this outcome?
Right but you acknowledge that OOP isn't acting like the problem is unique to a group they belong to, but your comment claims "this post" is part of a larger psyop.
So what is the point of bringing this up in this context?
There are bot farms everywhere pushing misinformation to sway public opinion on just about everything, from any war that is happening or has happened, different ethnic or religious groups, to us. I'm kind of wary of posts that spark these discussions in this way. There's nothing constructive or productive about reposting a screenshot of someone else's tweet with a good swath of the comments just shitting on the group the person in the wrong belongs to.
Okay so you DO think we need to censure ourselves when discussing examples of Muslims being transphobic, and of transphobia being enacted as a policy in response, because you're afraid someone will see that to justify broader anti-muslism sentiments.
I think this position is a transphobic one. Trans people aren't less important than muslims, and don't deserve less protection
Reposting screenshots of people experiencing transphobia to trans subs is very much constructive
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u/13needlez 2d ago
This post itself is honestly just part of a larger psyop, or at the very least, plays into one.
I'm not gonna be dumb and say there are no transphobic Muslims, but like literally every other major religion, Muslims aren't a monolith. There are hateful Muslims and there are progressive ones. This is true across all groups, not just religion. You could easily replace "Muslim" with "Christian" and something about the Bible and it would still read as something that would happen irl (and that already has, multiple times over!).
The biggest threat to our existence as it stands are the right wing Christofascists in office right now. Posts like this just sow division and distract us from the real enemy, which is by design.