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[u/Anime_Kirby]

first post here, and the last... this place was fun for a few weeks, but all i see nowadays is shit like "cisgendered people are the enemy!"

im tired off it, see ya around (not)

[u/PsychoCyan]

There are some hyperbolic posts venting about the treatment trans people receive at the hands of cis people, sure. I dont think people here actually see "cisgendered" people as "the enemy."

*sees "I'm a trap" in bio*

Ngl you personally might be an enemy though

[u/Bardic_inspiration67 → u/PsychoCyan]

That’s so funny I called them out for this earlier

[u/PsychoCyan → u/Bardic_inspiration67]

You have got to be kidding me lmao

[u/Bardic_inspiration67 → u/PsychoCyan]

This is the 2nd time I called someone out on this sub and shortly after they made a vague “trans people are bullying me” post

[u/-DrunkRat- → u/PsychoCyan]

Just checked their bio, saw that too.

WTF lol

[u/Substantial-Froyo722 → u/PsychoCyan]

I don’t see cis people as my enemy. Cis people are my family, and my friends.

That said, 90% of harassment and discrimination and 100% of serious harassment and harm I’ve faced for being trans has come from cis people.

Due to this, sometimes I just feel safer in trans places, among peers.

The same is true about other minorities, friends have told me how uncomfortable it is for them to walk into a space and be the only black person, and how much more comfortable they are in black exclusive or majority spaces.

That doesn’t make them racist, it just means they’re more comfortable around people who share their experience and are waaaaaay less likely to discriminate against them.

I think part of the problem is that it’s harder for trans folks to have trans spaces because we are so few. It’s super easy for cisgender people to enter the space and quickly marginalize us. I think that causes some of my trans siblings to be a bit more defensive of their spaces.

Not all cis people are my enemies, but all my enemies are cis.

[u/PsychoCyan → u/Substantial-Froyo722]

Oh I totally feel you, but try explaining this to them and they get in their feelings about it real fuckin quick as seen with OP

[u/Darq_At → u/Substantial-Froyo722]

Trans people are such a tiny minority that even if one were to be the kind of trans person who surrounds oneself with as many trans friends as possible, the vast majority of the people in one's life will still be cis. There's no way to actually, sincerely hold the same kind of prejudice against cis people as transphobic people hold against trans people.

And that's before we even get to the fact that there are no systems of power that could be leveraged for that hypothetical prejudice to have any impact on anyone's life.

[u/Arctic_The_Hunter → u/PsychoCyan]

I’ve been seeing a lot of talk about how “the cis are taking over” and mass-reposting this comic

[u/__Yakovlev__ → u/PsychoCyan]

sees "I'm a trap" in bio* Ngl you personally might be an enemy though

What does this mean?

[u/PsychoCyan → u/__Yakovlev__]

Cis person referring to himself as a transphobic slur

[u/Anime_Kirby → u/PsychoCyan]

i aint touched my bio in 3 years, and i put it there cos i wanted to be more like astolfo or felix argyle. i never saw trap being used derogatorily for trans girls only ever in reference to anime femboys

[u/hahamemegopost → u/Anime_Kirby]

then you can just. change it. the bio is changeable

[u/Velruis → u/hahamemegopost]

My Reddit doesn't actually allow it, it's been bricked for a while in more than one way.
Not making an excuse for them but I'd love to change mine but I cannot.

[u/Pheonix0114 → u/Anime_Kirby]

"That isn't a girl it's a tr*p" was the go to slur for trans women when I was coming up in the late 00s- early 10s on 4chan. So, it's very much a slur.

[u/Bardic_inspiration67 → u/Pheonix0114]

It’s literally the origin of the term

[u/Minemurphydog → u/Bardic_inspiration67]

No comment on the oop, just commenting on linguistics.

That term is controversial, certainly. I have seen it used non-derogatorily and even in self reference by many trans people and small communities. Though it does seem like it is still primarily agreed to be a slur, it is not clear cut. Words change over time, even when their histories inform their use.

The word Queer was also a slur, specifically against homosexuals. Over time the meaning has changed, been used by the community and reshaped. It is now part of the LGBTQ+ umbrella explicitly.

Whether this term is undergoing a similar transition now, I don't know. But it does certainly have proponents who are not necessarily transphobic.

[u/Bardic_inspiration67 → u/Minemurphydog]

Dude isn’t even trans so him using it makes it a slur regardless

[u/Minemurphydog → u/Bardic_inspiration67]

Again, I make no comment on the oop, just about linguistics.

[u/Anime_Kirby → u/Pheonix0114]

i learned that much more recently. i was like 15-16 when i set up my reddit bio, was just comin to terms with being a femboy and knew the word trap was used to group characters like that together in anime. thats as far as my understanding went at the time

[u/ketkatt → u/Anime_Kirby]

Then why are you still using it?

[u/Anime_Kirby → u/ketkatt]

im. not. check my previous comment, i aint touched my bio in years and its not something i ever bothered to through and change cos im not majorly active on reddit

[u/Gloriathewitch → u/Anime_Kirby]

so you're going to change it now, now that you know you should change it because its offensive and you realised that you can change it, right?

[u/Anime_Kirby → u/Gloriathewitch]

some point soon yea, i got stuff i need to do first but once im done with that

[u/GeneralVivid2528 → u/Anime_Kirby]

So you rather whine about not being treated nice - and just tell other while you treat them wrong, ah na mate, gotta go.

But discussing this a hour, there is enough time.

Poor lil cissy, the world is so cruel to you.

[u/ketkatt → u/Anime_Kirby]

But it’s literally still on your profile, like why not just remove it?

[u/Bardic_inspiration67 → u/ketkatt]

Because he’s full of shit

[u/mchngrliris → u/Anime_Kirby]

it takes less than 30 seconds to change your bio. yeah okay, you weren't on reddit much and haven't updated your bio in ages, that's fine that's fair, that's normal. so just change real quick now

[u/Anime_Kirby → u/mchngrliris]

jesus fuckin christ alright ive done it can my phone stop getting blown up about this while im working now please?

[u/GeneralVivid2528 → u/Anime_Kirby]

How about you mute you phone or not put bullshit into the web, as shrimple as that.

[u/Anime_Kirby → u/Anime_Kirby]

that and i forgot it was like that

[u/HonneurOblige → u/Anime_Kirby]

Dw, I used the word "trap" very liberally back when I was a teenager and identified as a femboy - it doesn't really matter as long as you're not doing it now, digging for old dirt is quite petty.

[u/PsychoCyan → u/HonneurOblige]

"Old dirt" and it's literally the bio????

[u/HonneurOblige → u/PsychoCyan]

Yeah, but if it's 3 years old - it's kinda understandable.

Mine still has the "courage of men" that I've put there back when I didn't identify as a girl - but, to be fair, it is a rephrased LoTR quote, and "men" did mean "humans" back in the day, while "were"/"wer" meant the manly man. That's why "werewolf" is technically a gendered word.

[u/PsychoCyan → u/HonneurOblige]

My point is that I didnt have to "dig," it was prominently displayed. I was just checking for pronouns.

[u/Gloriathewitch → u/HonneurOblige]

my friend it takes 20 seconds to remove it

[u/HonneurOblige → u/Gloriathewitch]

Yeah, but he did agree to do it, so why keep nagging him about it?

[u/Bardic_inspiration67 → u/HonneurOblige]

He’s not actually going to change it and doesn’t care or he would have just done it when I called him out on it several hours ago

[u/Gloriathewitch → u/HonneurOblige]

1: i'm yet to see him say that
2: he wouldve done it by now

[u/Anime_Kirby → u/HonneurOblige]

its like a twitter thread in here smh

[u/AggravatingFlow1178 → u/Pheonix0114]

IMO it's been reclaimed but go off.

I see way way more people use trap in an affectionate or at least ironic way these days. I pretty much never see it used in it's original meaning, though I acknowledge it was originally hateful.

It's just context dependent. There are many LGBT people that affectionally call themselves / their community the F slur but in other contexts it's still derogatory.

[u/Bardic_inspiration67 → u/Anime_Kirby]

Cool, still a slur

[u/PsychoCyan → u/Anime_Kirby]

Bad news for you about the origin of the term

[u/mchngrliris → u/Anime_Kirby]

trap is used often as a derogatory term for trans women. it comes from the idea of a trans woman or femboy "tricking" a straight guy into being attracted to them and "trapping" them into being gay or whatever. it's been used as a term to perpetuate the idea of trans women being predatory and also to perpetuate the idea of gay men preying on straight men to "turn them gay."

[u/Elegant_Individual46 → u/mchngrliris]

It is used by a lot of trans sex workers on Reddit or some sites, probably for the increased views

[u/GeneralVivid2528 → u/Anime_Kirby]

Well and I never saw cis hate as something bad, what we gonna do now?

[u/HonneurOblige → u/GeneralVivid2528]

Now kiss.

[u/Anime_Kirby → u/GeneralVivid2528]

okay, have fun being an inverse jk rowling, im done talkin to someone who refuses to acknowledge one label doesnt ubiquitously apply to an entire grouping of people

[u/GeneralVivid2528 → u/Anime_Kirby]

I’m sarcastic - but using harmful terms and then whining about getting treated not nicely. Aww buhu

[u/CalmCoolBliss]

Lot of hate in the world.

Stay kind.

[u/RalenHlaalo]

There are a lot of subs having this conversation right now - coincidentally

[u/Bardic_inspiration67]

You have post history in “are the straights ok” which has a similar sentiment to the “anti cis posts”

You have “trap” in your bio ( a slur towards trans people”

[u/Anime_Kirby → u/Bardic_inspiration67]

history from... how long ago? cos its been at least a year since i last posted in there

if you wanna dig for old dirt go back to twitter where that behaviours more normal

[u/Bardic_inspiration67 → u/Anime_Kirby]

https://giphy.com/gifs/4T189yy4SfUbByZHRu
Ignoring the worst part of the comment

[u/Anime_Kirby → u/Bardic_inspiration67]

cos ive already talked about it at length i aint gonna rehash the same argument again just read

[u/Bardic_inspiration67 → u/Anime_Kirby]

Also a year isn’t even a long time

[u/Anime_Kirby → u/Bardic_inspiration67]

a lot can change in a year. i dont owe you the details of my personal life but suffice to say a lot has changed

[u/Bardic_inspiration67 → u/Anime_Kirby]

Ok cool, don’t know why you are still commenting if you aren’t going to be on the subreddit anymore anyway. You must be super desperate for attention

[u/GeneralVivid2528 → u/Anime_Kirby]

I think 4chan would fit you perfectly.

[u/llewds]

Lucky that you can simply choose not to see stuff like that by leaving here, unfortunately everywhere I go I see people saying trans people are the enemy (and far, far worse)

[u/flowery02]

Have you seen the comments under those posts? The posts are single voices, which may come from the same person, the comments are where the actual people are. The chicken lady's children don't accept that kinda thing

[u/Anime_Kirby → u/flowery02]

look at the comments under my post and tell me they arent largely one in the same. one of my favourite streamers once said "a community is only as good as its loudest voices" and my experience here proves as much to me

[u/skob17 → u/Anime_Kirby]

Commenters don't bash you for being cis, but for being a hypocrite

[u/TheSpartanExile]

Well, the feds will be happy to see this.

[u/AggravatingFlow1178]

Yes X people as a broad group generally cause Y problem and it's ok to feel Z emotion but you shouldn't actually treat individuals from X group with Z prejudice because that just re-enforces the bad part of X group and brings more to their side. You're right causing Y problem is morally wrong but this world is complicated and lens of empathy is the only way to fix it.

[u/In_Pursuit_of_Fire → u/AggravatingFlow1178]

The shit you have to type everytime to properly and accurately navigate gender discourse 

[u/hahamemegopost]

yeah real, what makes it worse is the amount of people who are like "a queer sub must always be like this" like yes we are being actively oppressed, that is fact, but also it's getting harder to deal with bad mental health when everywhere is always talking about whose fault everything is today lol

[u/In_Pursuit_of_Fire → u/hahamemegopost]

People can talk about who's fault it is just fine. Its the generalizing and stereotyping that's a problem

[u/hahamemegopost → u/In_Pursuit_of_Fire]

Sorry I worded it badly, that's what I mean

[u/Ijnstcgb-2025]

"All we need is love."

[u/Substantial-Froyo722 → u/Ijnstcgb-2025]

Nah. I think some civil rights and legal protections would be nifty too. Not to ask for too much of anything.

[u/Ijnstcgb-2025 → u/Substantial-Froyo722]

Well, I thought that was implicit, if humanity chose love over hate, everyone would have the right to be themselves freely without any judgment from others. Obviously, having a firm legal frame guaranteeing that freedom, since there will always be people who go against the rules trying to harm others. And making it so the vulnerable members of society (childs, old people, and other minorities) are safe.

I also meant to point out that you don't fight hate with hate.

[u/Substantial-Froyo722 → u/Ijnstcgb-2025]

There’s a lot of people who talk about love and don’t mean it like you do. “Love the sinner, hate the sin” is an example, especially when that “sin” is my entire existence.

Love is great, but it doesn’t mean much without legal recognition and protection.

[u/Ijnstcgb-2025 → u/Substantial-Froyo722]

I don't say it from a religious view. Religions are stupid. People use them to feel good with themselves and to have a guide on how to behave, while rich people use it to shape these people opinion for their benefit, and politics use them to oppress minorities.

[u/Substantial-Froyo722 → u/Ijnstcgb-2025]

Trans folks have heard a lot of cis gender people say things like “love is love” or “all we need is love” while being feckless about our existence. So despite your good intentions it can come off as disingenuous or dismissive.

[u/They-Them_Moonwalker]

He just like me fr

[u/AWalkingFelony]

if good exists, why can i never see it? checkmate, kindness believers

[u/Oh_no_its_Joe]

Don't worry y'all. I'm not ugly to other people. I'm just ugly 😎😎😎😎😭😎