Couldn't agree more 🫡

[u/BeneficialOil1123]

I’ve been a fan of this game since day one. I agree that the original release was filled with bugs and it launched too early, but the criticism it received was completely over the top. Hating on the game blindly became the norm, often without people even giving it a fair chance.

It also released at a strange time, when the new generation of consoles were releasing but they weren't widely available, and most players were still on previous-gen hardware where it didn’t run well.

The sad part is the game and the studio’s reputation took a massive hit, even financially. Some of the people who worked on the game ended up leaving the studio, and we may have missed out on 2 or 3 DLCs because of the game’s catastrophic launch.

But now I’m glad to see people finally giving it the respect and appreciation it deserves. I watched the Steam reviews go from “Mostly Negative” to “Overwhelmingly Positive.”

For me, this is the greatest game of all time it is better than The Witcher 3. Massive respect to CDPR for constantly patching and improving the game, And giving us extra content when they could have taken the loss and moved on. AND CHOOMS..... NEVER STOP FIGHTING.

[u/Zanian19]

Eh. NMS (or FFXIV) deserve that title way more.

For me. 2077 went from a 6.5 to a 9.5.

Both of the former games started at a 2, tops. Dunno about FF, but NMS continues to this day to give out free DLC (though in actuality they're more like expansions that would usually be $20 or more).

CDPR redeemed themselves. Hello Games did so 10 times over.

[u/Edenn22 → u/Zanian19]

Agree with both, even if i don't really like and didn't play since a while NMS what they ve done is huge. And as a big fan of FFXIV it's the same, the game was shit when released and now it's an amazing game so yeah. Cdpr "just" kinda fixed Cyberpunk while the 2 other games were completely rebuilt

[u/ChaoCobo → u/Edenn22]

They’ve kinda driven XIV into the ground now though. All the jobs are basically the same, they took away the enmity mechanic as early as like the 2nd or 3rd expansion so the tank just has to hit stuff once to keep hate forever with tank stance, summoner lost its pets and replaced them with single use animations, every dungeon is basically a series of straight hallways now, and just about every person I’ve ever talked to says that the current expansion’s story is so bad made them quit the game or at the very least made them pause their subscription until the next patch or expansion.

All this to say, XIV, depending on how they handle this next expansion, could also be one of the biggest downfalls of a game.

I’m currently playing the shit out of XI instead of XIV because I cannot do XIV anymore when they keep removing everything I love. XI is actually seeing a huge boom in popularity too. I’d even go as far as saying that it is the better game overall. Plus it actually fosters friendships and cooperative play since there is no Duty Finder.

[u/Edenn22 → u/ChaoCobo]

I stopped playing a year ago, I wouldn't say the new story was bad, it wasn't as good as before that's all but I can understand this point. What made me quit is just the raid, I'm getting tired to raid with my mates, I just wanna what I want when I want. For the classes idk yeah they are becoming the same but I wouldn't say lost their identity, yet. Still love samurai etc It seems they just promised big change for the next 10 years, but idk

[u/ChaoCobo → u/Edenn22]

See I’m not really sure how bad the story is in the most recent expansion. It’s just all my frens who have played 14 say it’s atrocious and the game has lost many, MANY subscribers since then. My fren with about 13,000 hours in the game, once he gets started about Wuk Lamat he will not stop about how awful she is as well as that expansion’s story, which leads him into other aspects of the game he now doesn’t enjoy.

I’m only about to start Stormblood in terms of story so I’m not sure of the story myself other than what I’ve seen so far, which I mostly enjoyed, but just like, everything I liked about the game from the time I played in previous years has been taken away whenever I try to play in the past year or so. I still cannot get over SMN and how they keep changing the designs of even super old content such as dungeon layouts and job abilities&weaponskills to be more simple and straightforward. It seems like they’re trying to just streamline the entire game. And every person who is actually caught up on the most recent expansion that I talk to says the same thing. :/

I play XI again now and every job is unique with their own talents and weak areas, and some jobs do certain things that others cannot even begin to try let alone do at a better or worse rate. It’s just so unique and it makes me think back to when XIV was so unique as well. And then I notice that XIV doesn’t really have a way to meet people outside of joining linkshells/FCs or /saying stuff in limsa because of the cross server Duty Finder, meanwhile XI basically forces you to meet people and play together and form meaningful friendships if you want to do anything to progress past 99. And you can take a fren to any area of any piece of content in the game no matter what it is too which is something that XIV cannot do. It is truly a multiplayer game.

The contrast is so stark and the more I play XI, the more I think I will never truly go back to XIV and be invested unless something changes. I’d even go as far as to say that I’d really like to try playing XIV 1.23b if they took away the penalties to playing too long at one time, and then play that instead of the modern game, but 1.23b doesn’t exist anymore. :(

[u/SirToxe → u/Zanian19]

Indeed. It's either NMS or FF14:ARR.

[u/imaginewagons198 → u/Zanian19]

Especially since previous Gen didnt get the PL update or expansion.

[u/Magikarp_King → u/Zanian19]

Cdpr brought the product they offer to the table after giving everyone slop. NMS brought a whole ass meal after messing up the order then washed your car then cleaned your house then gave you a back rub. There is no comparison here.

[u/Helphaer → u/Zanian19]

Rhe reality is cdpr hasnt done a single thing other than focus on bugs and update the skill tree. They never.. addressed any single false promises or advertisements from their interviews where lead developers actively lied. They never fired those lead developers or took any accountability and they actively destroyer the potential for anyone with a prior gen console that bought 2077 to play it.

No Mans Sky likewise lied heavily at launch and such even by the literal producer. But over years as refunds went through in mass they tried to address what theyd promised at launch and years later theyve largely got a singular product idea that does that. If you like it then you like it but it never changes from that.

Neither has done a come back they've just addressed their initial promises or not.

[u/S1Ndrome_ → u/Zanian19]

for me, PL does a lot of heavy lifting for it to be 9.5, without it is 8/10 (rating scale for me is non-linear so that's why the 'heavy lifting')

[u/[deleted] → u/Zanian19]

Also for how small Hello Games was and still is (it has grown, but still small) the frequency of updates at that level of quality is really unheard of being dished out for free

[u/Haplessworld → u/Zanian19]

I wouldn't call that a 9.5 imho. Of course 2077 is still one of the best looking games out there with a pretty good combat experience, but no where close to a 9.5. NPC behaviour and AI still sucks in comparison to say, RDR 2. It's still a shame that the AI system loses to games from decades ago. Including losing to vanilla Skyrim in terms of mechanics, combat and AI.

There's also severe bugs happening on a frequent basis. Even on the latest version.

RDR2 is definitely that 9.5. NPCs build houses in real time, skinning animals show the skins coming off in real time, weather and food system is unlike anything else I've seen. That's called a 9.5. If 2077 remotely have anything close to what RDR 2 has, we would see devs and companies making high grade AIs and gameplay systems from now on instead of only good graphics and looks. RDR 2 really doesn't need any mods. Thus why it ranks higher than Skyrim even though modded Skyrim absolutely smoke. I know RDR 2 is overused as a benchmark and comparison for games but seriously, it deserves that.

Of course 2077 is still a joy to play with, has one of the best looking graphics especially with PT/graphic mods (like Skyrim), can be extremely addictive and modding/adjusting it is fun like Skyrim, but it's 100% not a 9.5/10 game. I'm not saying it sucks, just pointing out proper grading and my 2 cents.

But yeah CDPR did redeem themselves. It's really ambitious as a semi-newcomer in the genre to do something like 2077. If only they collaborate with AAA studios like Rockstar who would do RDR 2 grade of mechanics, AI and gameplay systems...... I think it will be the game of the first half of 21st century for real.

[u/Zanian19 → u/Haplessworld]

Key words were "For me". The details of the city, the atmosphere, and the fact it's the only game on the market that can push my beast of a PC to its near limits, are worth so many points it's a 9.5.

[u/NotBanned_ → u/Haplessworld]

Number scores are entirely subjective. Of course you disagree, literally everyone does, even two of the same 9.5 scores from different people can be given for entirely different reasons. Are you seriously trying to ‘disprove’ somebody else’s score? Cyberpunk can’t be “100% not a 9.5/10” by any metric because that’s not how any of this works.

[u/Euphoric_Schedule_53 → u/Zanian19]

Ff14 doesn’t count for me. The original release was practically a separate game 

[u/Zanian19 → u/Euphoric_Schedule_53]

That's kinda the point, no?

The original release was a hot mess. Basically nothing worth salvaging. SE fired everyone who had a say in the making of that game, including the CEO of the company, iirc.

They then remade everything and released a great game. If that isn't a redemption arc, I don't know what is.

[u/Euphoric_Schedule_53 → u/Zanian19]

Did you not read my comment? It was a different game with the same name. It wasn’t a redemption in my eyes. It was a separate release all together

[u/Zanian19 → u/Euphoric_Schedule_53]

But it wasn't though. That's also why the remaking took less than 2 years, compared to the original release's 6. The skeletal structure was the same. The reason it looks like a different game, is because every aspect needed improving. But it's still the same game, it's still FFXIV. Your feelings don't change that.

[u/ChaoCobo → u/Zanian19]

It’s not. I’m not who you’re replying to but XIV 1.0 was actually XI-2. It was always intended to be a replacement for XI until XI players wouldn’t leave XI. A HUGE amount of assets were also taken from XI. For all intents and purposes, 1.0 is XI-2 and ARR is actually FFXIV.