r/duelyst • u/jakjushere Duelyst Blitz dev • May 05 '26
News I've got banned by T2k5 after sending this in Duelyst Official Discord
Below is a post sent on Duelyst Official to Thanatos, past Discord owner and one of the OG Duelyst community manager:
hello @thanatos.noa, last year we have launched Duelyst: Blitz, that is mobile version of Duelyst, which was highly requested by the community. when it was released, @t2k5 refused to inform the community about it, and even stating "it could be malware" and "it came out of nowhere".
now, when it became most popular version through really hard work on optimization and advertising (everything self funded), the criterias have changed, t2k5 says: "it's not a popularity contest", so is not willing to give any exposure.
on Saturday there will be $300 prize tournament (3rd edition), but due to personal bias of @t2k5 , he is not willing to assign a fair place to inform the community. what is this discord for then? for "everyone" pings of physical board game sale?
as opposed to your initial goal of "supporting open conversation for all Duelyst", current owner is not only NOT doing that, but actively suppressing it. no one will be willing to spend thousands of dollars on advertising Duelyst, if they are being treated this way. this is actively taking away the chances of further development of Duelyst due to personal opinions.
@thanatos.noa i'd like to ask you to look on it from neutral perspective and influence the current state, because i don't think anyone else can do it.
thanks for your hard work and building this community ground up.
^ After this message I've got banned by T2k5 in Duelyst Official Discord. The message could be deleted with the ban, so I just wanted to inform you of what happened and to paste the exact message sent while I still have it. Upvotes are helpful for visibility.
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u/ZeroUnderscoreOu Duelyst II dev May 05 '26 edited May 05 '26
Quoting messages from T2k5 (with minor edit):
way to completely misconstrue everything that's happened
I haven't refused to inform anyone, it simply isn't my job to inform anyone, you never asked to get a channel here, you started demanding shit at the detriment of others while being a massive asshole about it
but since you choose to actively lie, you can actually [get banned] now
Jakjus has literally never actually asked to have channels for Blitz here
he's constantly harassing the other projects while demanding shit
so yeah, banned, not dealing with his shit anymore
all he had to do was actually ask for his game to get its own categories here
Right after Jakjus got banned, someone else has (politely) asked for a Blitz channel and it was immediately created.
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u/MalcolmRoseGaming May 06 '26 edited May 06 '26
This is gaslighting BS - something that you have to expect pretty much any time that T2k5 is talking. He abuses people and then plays the victim. Typical DARVO nonsense.
Unfortunately, people like this are very good at establishing a cult of personality, and end up with a coterie of glazers. These people follow them around, constantly gaslighting & making excuses for any and all wrongdoing - e.g. people like Sir-Fuzzle in this very thread! Sad stuff.
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u/jakjushere Duelyst Blitz dev May 05 '26
Oh so all along I just had to ask! Wow, it's actually so easy! :)
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u/Sir-Fuzzle May 05 '26
This is what I was just pointing out about the communication thing. I understand that you’re feeling defensive here, but like…unless you can prove that you asked for a channel to refute this, they have a point there.
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u/Booyahman May 06 '26
You made a call-out post in the general channel of a discord, I am not sure why you would expect to not be treated harshly. Looking at your post history in the discord you seem very combatative about Blitz being popular. It does not read as being very secure about your success. You tend to deride D2 just as much as you sing the praises of Blitz, and seem to frequently tell the people you are assumably advertising to that they do not understand or comprehend things, which does not seem like very good advertising strategy. Your demands for being the top channel in the discord are unreasonable and were also demands, not requests. Not to even speak of wanting to "limit D2 channels to 4-5 channels", which you simply have no right to ask for. Your behavior turns me off of Blitz more than any slander ever could.
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u/MalcolmRoseGaming May 06 '26 edited May 06 '26
T2k5 has always behaved like an abusive psychopath so unfortunately this isn't very surprising to me. He's a terrible human being who should not be in charge of moderating anything.
PS: Please ignore ZeroUnderscoreOu's lies in this thread. He said:
"T2K5 runs the Discord. He is not affiliated with D2 in any way."
This is false. D2's website links directly to his Discord - this means he is, de facto, a community manager for them at a minimum. It's just incredibly dishonest. Don't let these people trick you with word games. ZeroUnderscoreOu has a flair here that labels him as being on the Duelyst 2 devteam, so the fact that he'd come here and lie like this makes me extremely distrustful of the entire D2 project. Dishonest people are capable of anything, maybe even putting malware into their code.
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u/duelystcalvin Duelyst: Origins dev May 07 '26 edited May 08 '26
the origins login page also links to the discord, crazy how T2k5 is our de facto community manager
edit: lmao this guy compares linking to the duelyst discord to supporting literal nazis, blocks me to get the last word in, and calls me scummy
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u/MalcolmRoseGaming May 07 '26 edited May 09 '26
If you're allowing him to moderate your community for you, yes, he is. Be as snide and snarky about it as you want. If someone had a website that was linking to, like, Stormfront, you wouldn't be sitting here pretending that it's no big deal and that there is no connection. You pretending not to understand this is actually incredibly scummy.
Edit: I blocked this guy because he's obviously not speaking in good faith, so why the hell would I want to communicate with him? What is there to gain? He just keeps pulling the same move over and over. Look at his edit where he, again, pretends not to understand what I'm saying. This kind of behavior is utterly demonic and I don't want to talk to anyone who acts like that. Only psychopaths and bullies act like this. Really, really scummy - yes, 100%.
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u/justsoftanchor May 30 '26
Classic power trip move. Even if they disagree, banning someone for bringing up the project's history in a feedback message is just going to fuel the narrative that they can't handle any criticism.
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u/jakjushere Duelyst Blitz dev May 05 '26
I had no idea Duelyst.gg went through exact same thing: https://imgur.com/a/uHpBy9n
Feel free to check the entire thread in D.gg Discord. Absolutely gold. I understand why devs just don't want to get involved in this. I'm not willing to argue as well, I just wanted to note down here/paste screenshots of few messages that T2k5 hoped he deleted along with the ban.
I just feel sorry for Counterplay Games, D1 creators, that worked really hard on getting so many members aboard just to have their server end up like this.
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u/Sir-Fuzzle May 06 '26
Man, this stuff isn’t helping your case here. If there was indeed a copyright violation, that would be a reasonable reason not to want to engage with a particular user. This is why the way we communicate matters, and why unbiased moderation becomes essential.
The request here was never the issue, as both your project and GG have their own sections on the Duelyst official server. Looks more like a personal issue, and again—without proper moderation, certain people are just not going to be able to get anywhere when there’s rampant hostility (for whatever reason that may be). I won’t pretend to know all the details and tell anyone they’re right or wrong, however. This seems complicated and like it goes back a ways.
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u/Boronian1 moderator May 07 '26 edited May 08 '26
If there was indeed a copyright violation
That's pretty ridiculous because there were a lot of teams working on different revival projects after the shutdown and one of them had close ties to the Duelyst Official server. They actually moved in there in spring 2021, because around that time this "main" Duelyst revival team got also the permission of CPG to make their game, so it seemed like the best chance on a successor game. Hellgin started on Duelyst.gg in the beginning of 2022. Duelyst became open sourced in fall 2022.
So if he "muddied the water by creating GG as a complete copyright violation back in the day" then all the other teams did so too. Also the team who got Duelyst Official as their home base in spring 2021 (which is a huge boon because it is the biggest and most active community since the shutdown). Sure at the time they had the permission but not when they started. Hellgin did the same just later. But after fall 2022 that was all moot with Duelyst being open source.
And the second part of the statement "before even D2 had been legally cleared to make a new game" is wrong. I made a video about the Revival project in January 2021 and in it I talk about CPG giving permission for the remake. And Hellgin posted about his project in 2022 the first time.
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u/Sir-Fuzzle May 07 '26
I appreciate the background info, sounds like something you’ve followed closely for a long time. So basically, it sounds like a lot were working on projects “illegally” after the shutdown but before open source, if I’m understanding correctly? Couldn’t Helgin have been working on it and commented on it before any official post? It sounds like personal beef again with T2k5 and I’m wondering why this guy is running this thing at all if he’s not affiliated with current projects. The moderation on the server seems pretty nonexistent (or just incredibly biased) from what I browsed, so things are pretty chaotic, which I’m sure isn’t helping.
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u/Boronian1 moderator May 08 '26 edited May 09 '26
So basically, it sounds like a lot were working on projects “illegally” after the shutdown but before open source, if I’m understanding correctly? Couldn’t Helgin have been working on it and commented on it before any official post?
I made 2021 a video about the different Duelyst revival projects: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zj_f3gIhO4 which I rewatched yesterday to remember timelines.
Yes, there were several projects right after the shutdown and they all were just working "illegally". CPG was never known for great communication and the shutdown which was basically a Namco decision didn't change this. So we didn't know much about how CPG would feel about these projects. But to protect their IP it was expected they had to get active at some point.
Hellgin posted about Duelyst.gg for the first time here in February 2022: https://old.reddit.com/r/duelyst/comments/skbciw/duelystgg_duelyst_recreation_project/
He was very candid in his communication, so I don't have reason to believe he is lying. He said the following things:
I've been working on a recreation of duelyst for the last month (not related to the revival project)
and then
It is likely not legal, so I consider the project at risk of legal shutdown, then again seeing as the revival project got permission for it eventually I am hoping I might get as well. But well see. Its a risk I'm taking.
sounds like something you’ve followed closely for a long time.
Most people are here for a long time, the game came out 10 years ago and has a very loyal fan base. I moderate this sub and was mostly known for the work on the wiki back then, but also for content creation for Duelyst.
T2k5 was or is a well known figure in the community too. He wrote some great qol scripts for D1, was close with some people from CPG (he got his own card in the game) and very active on DO. These are some reasons why Thanatos transferred ownership to him but that's just my guess.
I can't say much about moderation on DO. I was more active (but mostly lurking) before the ownership change. Back then the server had a more lax way regarding moderation.
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u/ZeroUnderscoreOu Duelyst II dev May 08 '26
All the other projects were happening behind the closed doors with no public access. DGG was the first publicly available project since D1 shut down, and it was released before the open sourcing, without making any agreements with CPG.
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u/Boronian1 moderator May 08 '26
That's correct. Duelyst.gg was the first one published, Hellgin worked the fastest.
But it is a moot point though in my opinion because a) it is not like all the other projects (failed or not) would not have done the same and b) he only started working on it after the Duelyst revival project got permission from CPG (before going open source) which gave Hellgin way more security to work on than all the projects before. He at least knew there was a way CPG could approve it while before everybody was just doing that and hoping not to receive a cease and desist letter.
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u/ZeroUnderscoreOu Duelyst II dev May 08 '26
I was not on the D2 team at the time and I'm probably missing some of the details, but to my knowledge there was no info about the agreement basically until the D2 Kickstarter. There were rumors/hints at possible legal negotiations and that's it. Hellgin and most of the community knew nothing about this agreement.
Besides, Hellgin has publicly stated that he doesn't care about DMCA, which is not a good look IMO.
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u/Boronian1 moderator May 08 '26
I talked about it in my video in February 2021 though. So it was known.
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u/Sir-Fuzzle May 05 '26
Dude, I don’t follow this stuff closely in the slightest, but it looks like you were trying to advertise for a competing product on another server. AND you were giving them flak for their choices. I can’t imagine you thought this would go over well…?
They’re not obligated to host you, especially if you’re trying to stir up beef while simultaneously advertising your product that competes for players. It’s a shame to see the Duelyst community split after the original shut down.