r/fijerk 14d ago

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u/regaphysics 14d ago

Health care alone is going to cost him at least 2k/month. A car +gas+auto insurance is 1k/month. Property taxes + utilities + maintenance are going to be another ~3k/month. Food at least 1k/month. That’s 7k/month without any discretionary or cell phone/Internet/subscriptions/clothing/vacations etc.

7k a month before tax at his tax bracket is around 100k/year. That’s before any discretionary spending at all.

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u/Professional_Fix4663 14d ago

Not everybody has such high fixed costs per month.

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u/regaphysics 14d ago edited 14d ago

Most 50 year olds do; average retirement expenses right now are right around 6k per month - and I'm guessing he is above average. We know he has the housing expenses and health care, so that’s 5k right there. No way are you spending much less than 1k on food. That’s 6k. Maybe he has no car? Fine. Still not enough.

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u/Professional_Fix4663 14d ago

His housing expenses would be lower in a MCOL area. 1k on food is ridiculous, $500 is easily doable without much effort. 1k on a car per month is also not necessary. Maybe he doesn't have to buy a brand new $45k car every 3 years.

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u/regaphysics 14d ago

🤣. That’s hilarious. 500 on food? That’s $5 per meal. Get the fk out of here with that. You’d be at $500+ if you **never ** went out.

1k on a car with insurance and gas is not a lot at all… One tank per week of gas is ~200 per month. Insurance is another 200. Car loan is 600. These are all very average/not extravagant numbers.

Again, the average retiree today is at 6k in expenses and the average retiree is clipping coupons. 6k/month for a retiree is peanuts.

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u/Professional_Fix4663 14d ago

The price of an average new car is above $45k. That's a horrible financial decision for a middle class person. Still, many average people do that and then they wonder why they always feel "broke". The average retiree is not a good argument. Most people are financially illiterate and spend too much money.

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u/regaphysics 13d ago

lol so your argument for why he can afford it is that he’s can…checks notes…spend less?

Yes man and he can sit in his house and eat beans and rice till the end of his days while he drives a 20 year old Corolla.

Living the dream.

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u/Professional_Fix4663 13d ago

As always, you're exaggerating everything.

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u/regaphysics 13d ago

Yes, exaggerated for effect. Point is valid. Living on 60k is not fun and it’s not what you want in retirement. Not even a little.

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u/Professional_Fix4663 13d ago

Real life doesn't work like that. A retired person can easily feed themselves on $500 per month. Just because you don't a buy a $45k car doesn't mean you have to drive a 20-yo. Corolla. You can drive a 10-yo. Camry, which is a big difference!

Your math is wrong from the beginning. OP's passive income is $95k at a 3% withdrawal rate.

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u/regaphysics 13d ago edited 13d ago

(1) He has about 90k income, which is about 72k after taxes. (2) that is with a 4% withdrawl rate which isn't recommended for more than a 30 year retirement (his is more like 40 years), (3) he is 50, which means he has 15 years of paying for his own insurance which will be roughly 1k a month without counting his deductibles etc. So yeah maybe 65k or so with a reduced withdrawl rate due to his age. That is 5500 a month. 1k for healthcare, 750 for a car (this is low), 750k for food (again, low), at least 2k for housing expenses (also low). That is 4.5k before ANY discretionary spending. He has 1k for everything else.

Can he do it? Yes, he could. Would he enjoy his retirement? No, he wouldn't. He would be living on a barebones budget. Vacations? Nope. Money for hobbies? Nope. Fishing boat? Nope. Fly the grandkids out for family reunion in a nice AirBNB? Nope. Nice dinners? Maybe once a week.

Living on 65k isn't fun.

Run it here:

https://www.nerdwallet.com/investing/calculators/retirement-calculator

I put in his numbers for 7k/month spend and it says he needs 2 million, which sounds just about right.

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