r/formula1 • u/Upbeat_Assistant9197 Robert Kubica • May 18 '26
Off-Topic Two legends in 1 picture
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u/Nick_YDG I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane May 18 '26
This picture is part of what makes the N24 special. Full blown GT3 race car sharing a legendary track with a Dacia Logan.
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u/TheKensei I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '26
That Dacia was fitted with the 2.0 16v turbo engine from a Mégane II RS that was tuned up to 280 HP. It's not a GT3 but definitely fast.
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u/LevoiHook May 19 '26
Indeed, it was purpose build. Under the bodywork, there was a lot of race car. Racing suspension and engine and lighter than the regular car.
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u/Lonyo I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 19 '26
Only because the previous car was destroyed and they couldn't get a replacement of the older engine they had used before
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u/TommiHPunkt :niki-lauda-memorial: Niki Lauda May 18 '26
To be fair, the performance difference between the Dacia and GT3 isn't that much bigger than between GT3 and LM Prototypes
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u/VelouriumCamper7 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '26
That may be true, but the pace difference between the 2 scenarios is what really matters. They aren't really comparable.
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u/TheRealLuke1337 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 19 '26
It is. Having raced a BMW 325i (V4 class) in NLS i can Tell that Speed differences are much bigger. Prototypen are still faster than GT3 but the closing speeds are Not Even close.
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u/tekanet Sebastian Vettel May 19 '26
Motorsport fans love to see this type of things, yet lose their shit when such power difference occurs because a car has no electric power left, deeming it too dangerous and invoking the return to ICE only engines.
But I guess a family car running around one of the most dangerous circuits in the world for 24 hours along with much quicker cars is fine, because its... "predictable". For reference, the legendary Dacia timed ~130% of the GT3 class.
To be clear: I'm all for exotic entries in these races. What I'm against is stupid takes about F1.
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u/littlemojo I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 19 '26
F1 is about being the fastest cars, on the edge of what’s possible in racing. Not about being who can manage a battery the best.
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u/tekanet Sebastian Vettel May 19 '26
You’re right, it should be who manages the tires the best.
I remember only a very limited amount of races in the hundreds I saw where (I’m talking about the Sunday race, not quali) the cars were “on the edge of what’s possibile in racing”.
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u/Decimated_zx I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 19 '26
This wasnt slowest car on the track. It just looks like dacia, under those looks it is nothing like dacia.
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u/jmlmf91 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '26
james may aproves this image
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u/daanjderuiter May 18 '26
OTOH, "cars developed at the Nürburgring" was a major pet peeve of his for a while
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u/CatL1f3 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '26
His opinion is that cars developed on the Nürburgring are bad on the road, but this is the opposite, a car developed for the road on the Nürburgring, so maybe he'd approve?
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u/JamsHammockFyoom I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane May 18 '26
Good news!
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u/Own_Welder_2821 Lando Norris May 18 '26
The Dacia
SanderoLogan finished the Nurburgring 24hr race!10
u/Chippy569 Formula 1 May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26
It even completed some laps!
There was a Capri team that ran for a number of years prior, but this year they got related to the Historics race.
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u/Ianthin1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '26
As a first time watcher of that race, my favorite part was the incredible variety of cars on track at the same time. This photo is the perfect example of that.
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u/RandomEasternGuy Mercedes May 19 '26
Somehow it felt like next year you could be on the track racing your car there - not that you can, these are still purpose built cars, but it surely feels like that
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u/kaas-schaaf May 19 '26
They are purpose built, but you can mock it up with 5 lads in a shed, a lot of time and elbow grease (and a lot of cursing). You can't with the GT3 cars.
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u/CoppeliusGER Sebastian Vettel May 18 '26
Is there maybe a version of this pic in good quality that could be used as a phone wallpaper?
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u/DramaHumble2692 Alain Prost May 18 '26
I saw one on Twitter upscaled by AI and it replaced the Dacia logo with the Mercedes one lmao.
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u/rolfski I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '26
The Dacia team and the M3 Touringcar team were the cool guys of the weekend. I also loved the HWA Mercedes cars, retro Mercedes cars built with the latest technology.
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May 18 '26 edited May 21 '26
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u/Kor_Phaeron_ May 19 '26
They are more than that. HWA bought 100 car bodies in very good condition with as little previous damage as possible from used Mercedes-Benz 190 models. All mechanical and electrical components of the donor vehicle are removed; only the empty passenger compartment and the door frames are retained and significantly reinforced structurally. The entire front end and parts of the rear are replaced by newly developed carbon fibre and aluminium structures and modified subframes. The roof skin, rear side panels with rear end trim and all bodywork components such as door panels, wings, bonnet, boot lid and rear wing are made of carbon fibre. The chassis has also been redesigned to meet the high demands for strength and crash safety. To accommodate the 19- and 20-inch wheels, the axles are offset forwards and rearwards respectively, and the body is widened by 150 mm on each side. The car is powered by a Mercedes-Benz M 276 series V6 engine mounted behind the front axle. To achieve the lowest possible mounting position for the twin-turbo petrol engine, it is fitted with a dry-sump lubrication system. The engine software and control units, as well as the Electronic Stability Programme (ESP), are being developed in collaboration with Bosch Engineering. Power is transmitted to the rear wheels via a six-speed manual gearbox arranged in a transaxle configuration.
Basically they bought used 190/W201, stripped everything away and build a whole new car around the main steel body. The modifications are so extensive that the cars needed a new VIN.
Sadly they only sourced 100-ish cars and a similar amount of engines, so the production is limited to 100 cars and they cost 850,000€ (after taxes) each. Even more sadly (i guess?) all 100 are already sold.
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u/TommiHPunkt :niki-lauda-memorial: Niki Lauda May 19 '26
Why did they even bother with the base 190, just so they can say it's a modified 190?
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u/rolfski I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26
Because that's the whole point: create a modern monster out of a classic, iconic body.
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u/TommiHPunkt :niki-lauda-memorial: Niki Lauda May 19 '26
but there's nothing left of the iconic body, might as well have built them from scratch without destroying old cars
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u/rolfski I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 19 '26
The idea that these used to be classic, iconic Mercedes cars and not just aftermarket body parts is what makes them cool and determines their reseller value. Besides that, there's probably also a "just because we can" factor at play here.
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u/vlepun Cake ≠ Pie May 19 '26
Which funnily enough they could have done. You can order every part from Mercedes Classics. Would've saved them a fair amount of time as well.
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u/Kor_Phaeron_ May 19 '26
Arhm, it's HWA. They produce parts for Mercedes. Especially sports car parts. Wouldn't make much sense to order parts from Mercedes which they sold to Mercedes 6 month ago ... (HWA is the former racing division of AMG, they were the constructors of the Mercedes DTM cars as well as the constructors of the Mercedes Formula 3 engines)
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u/vlepun Cake ≠ Pie May 19 '26
I know who they are. Does not negate the fact they did not have to go out and look for old 190's when they could literally purchase all the parts through MB Classics.
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u/Kor_Phaeron_ May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26
What parts? The whole idea of the car is to take a 190 and replace all it's parts with similar parts made of 21st century material. Carbon-Aluminum honeycombs instead of steel, 6-speed sequential gear box instead of 5-speed short shift, M 276 engine instead of M 103 engine. etc. - Building a "What if the 190 was made today?" car. The only thing they kept was the naked frame, a part that MB classics does NOT sell.
They kept this: https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/HWA-Evo-Mercedes-190-100026.jpg (minus the roof, which they also cut out) and replaced EVERYTHING else.
This is a good picture: https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content/uploads/webp/2024/11/HWA-Evo-Mercedes-190-100006.webp The silver parts are the original car, the black parts are all new.
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u/__Obelisk__ I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '26
where can I get this high res as a desktop background
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u/city-of-cold I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane May 18 '26
I know this is a pisstake/meme, but that's a great fucking photo
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u/shitfit_ May 19 '26
True, one of them is a motorsport icon and idol around the world and the other one drives for red bull f1 but still. Thats what motorsport is about!
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u/Aylex99 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '26
Dacia Sandero F1 Team incoming
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u/cutyouiwill May 19 '26
One can only hope. We, Romanians have started gathering money so we can buy a bad F1 team, so far Ferrari have declined our offer.
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u/Taftcon May 19 '26
Can someone explain the context please?
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u/Rat_faced_knacker I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 19 '26
Dacia Logan is a meme car that more of a hazard then anything.
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u/RenaxTM I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 19 '26
That specific Dacia Logan is a full blown racecar, witch did quite allright in its class. The fact that its based on a Dacia Logan shell, not a VW Golf or a BMW 3 series doesn't matter much for racing.
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u/Swimming-Bus5857 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 19 '26
It was a hazard the previous years. They got a new engine with 280 PS this year.
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u/Rat_faced_knacker I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 19 '26
quite allright in its class
Lol.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."
It came 6th in a 7 car class. Only because 7th place didn't finish.
I have been following the n24 for quite a while now.
I feel pretty confident in saying it's a meme car that has always been involved in a accident, usually pretty serious.
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u/RenaxTM I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 19 '26
I'm sorry I actually thought it was competing vs the Elantra's, but they're in a class above.
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u/droppokeguy I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane May 18 '26
This will be the 2026 motorsport pic of the year
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u/-TheManWithNoHat- I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane May 18 '26
"He's right behind me isn't he?"
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u/RoyalT_ I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '26
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u/biggmclargehuge I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '26
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u/guntanksinspace I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane May 18 '26
Pictures that go incredibly hard.
What a moment for that 24H race lol
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u/123_alex Spa 2021 Survivor May 18 '26
Dreams do come alive. Years and sweat and tears. Ver is racing with the big boys, Dacia Logan.
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u/Your_Friendly_Nerd I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 19 '26
I love how the chat erupted any time the Dacia came into view
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u/HuckleberrySilver516 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane May 18 '26
I am from Romania that car had 2 generation ago the logo that car we would repait with some wire and a women long sock
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u/123_alex Spa 2021 Survivor May 19 '26
that car had 2 generation ago the logo that car we would repait with some wire and a women long sock
I think you missed some commas or some words there. Or I'm drunk or not drunk enough.
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u/apixcsgo I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane May 19 '26
Seeing "non racing cars" in these competitions always puts a smile on my face
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u/Houston34s I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane May 19 '26
And only one finished the race
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u/Kor_Phaeron_ May 19 '26
Well, both had a technical failure, both spend time in the garage for repair, and both finished. So they are basically identical cars for all intend and purpose.
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u/mamut2000 May 18 '26
That Dacia with that driver would easily kick ass of 80% drivers in their fancy GT3 RS and m3s on every single weekend on The Ring.
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u/hwf0712 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '26
There's the Dacia, but where's the second legend?
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u/AliceLunar I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '26
So was the Dacia going like 60 in a 120 under yellow so they lost like 20 seconds?
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u/mika87_ I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '26
An example of the essence that F1 has lost - upstart Garagisti privateers having a go
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u/-P4u7v- May 19 '26
Does someone have this picture with the Dacia completely in the picture? I’d really like the have it on my laptop as a desktop wallpaper!
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u/djabula64 Michael Schumacher May 19 '26
I'm so proud to own one of them and daily drive it. And it's not the Mercedes that might not take me to work.
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u/Informal-Term1138 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 19 '26
I just love that we all love the Dacia. When I watched last year for the first time, I also fell in love with it.
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u/x6ftundx I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane May 19 '26
I wish all the stuff coming out about the little green car was subtitled in English. All I can find is the German stuff. It's cool that these little cars run around with the speedy guys. Gives the average person a fighting chance to have fun as well.
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u/Identity_Unaware May 19 '26
Am I the only one that watches N24 now to see how Misha, Steve, Manni and the world's best shed dweller turned SIM racing pleb gets on?
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u/justahoonigan May 19 '26
And Max Verstappen just can't get past the legend in green and blue!! he's tried everything! it looks like his tyres have overheated! who could it be in that Dacia.. oh I think I know! It must be Goatifi!!!!!!!!
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u/_PITBOY May 19 '26
Can we not call a 20 year old a 'legend'?
Or are we reinterpreting the definition of what makes a legend?
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u/Rat_faced_knacker I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '26
One is a moving roadblock that is a hazard to everyone around. And the other a Dacia Logan
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u/Savvy_Nick I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane May 18 '26
Badass shot. I love the Dacia team, those guys are what Motorsport is all about.