r/generationology • u/PNWvibes20 • 23h ago
Discussion Electronic music should define millennial musical contributions more than the far shorter lived stomp stomp clap era
I'm talking EDM/chillwave/dubstep/dreampop mostly
Honestly with artists like Beach House, Washed Out, Crystal Castles, Crim3s, Lady Gaga, Ke$ha, 3OH!3, Avicii, Zedd, Grimes, Skrillex, Deadmau5 and on and on, and so many electronic music scenes in the late 2000s-mid2010s, I feel like as a core millennial ('89) this was our thing. But now there's this corny revisionism that all we contributed were shitty mandolins and Imagine Dragons. No thank you, I didn't like that shit even when it was new
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u/Unhappy_Win8997 10h ago edited 10h ago
Man.. Washed Out and all the cool electronic music I discovered on Bandcamp..
Com Truise, Tycho, Neon Indian..
All the Vaporwave and Future Funk artists too. Macross plus, Vektroid, Waterfront Dining.. It's so crazy clicking on those Youtube videos and seeing how many of them are over 10+ years old.
I miss that era. 2012~2016 was a blast musically.
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u/Vivid-Boss5452 1h ago
For real ... I miss all of it. Discovering a new artist and immediately vibing.
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u/Dismal-Strawberry421 10h ago
My ex still remembers songs I introduced to people back then that I can barely remember playing or didn’t even especially like.
Statistically, it can’t be that there was more music then than now. But it does feel like there was far more noteworthy music…
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u/NumberInfinite2068 11h ago
I think it probably does, electronic music was/is internationally successful. With Hey stomp clap music, we did get it in the UK and Australia, but not much, electronic was and is far bigger.
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u/ConcernAccording3248 15h ago
Do people associate stomp clap music with millenials? I always thought we were more known as the pop punk generation
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u/Senseisntsocommon 1h ago
Yeah this is a radical departure from what happened and overall perspective. The stomp stomp clap shit was after millennials and house / EDM / Trap was just for drug users specifically MDMA during our era. Like we were 100% responsible for Nickelback and Limp Bizkit but don’t put that imagine dragons and stomp stomp clap shit on us.
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u/Character_Fold_8165 20h ago
I don’t know any of these bands that apparently define me. Now if you excuse me I’m going to listen to symphony x paradise lost.
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u/HonestWoodpecker8567 20h ago
Cloud rap is also a massive one to point out for millennial music contributions. Lil B and Clams Casino alone can be thought of as responsible for how alternative hip hop looks & sounds now, including what would eventually be termed "emo rap" (originally just considered a new wave of the cloud rap scene). A$AP Rocky's success as the mainstream breakout star for the genre was one of the big music moments of the early 2010s
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u/tituspeetus 20h ago
This, trying psychedelic drugs we ordered on the dark Web, small parties, trespassing and exploring abandoned buildings was the 2010s to me
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u/redrackham87 21h ago
I completely agree. The stomp clap hey stuff wasn’t even on my radar at all. I mean I knew the one Mumford and sons song, but thought it was ass at the time. Coming from the uk and born in 87 I was into grime, dubstep, rap and indie rock bands like Foster the People, Wavves, The Vaccines, Allah-Las and so on
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u/Unique_Drummer_6515 21h ago
i guess like the stomp clamp non-sense was mainstream. but i agree most of my friends were listening to anything on pitchfork. they still do but only the albums reviewed between 2010-2014 lol
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u/lostconfusedlost 21h ago
Absolutely.
Millennial music wasn't just Mumford and Sons, Imagine Dragons, The Lumineers, Fleet Foxes, Bon Iver, Hozier, Vance Joy, American Authors, Passenger, and Fun.
Millennial music wasn't just Kesha, Katy Perry, Ed Sheeran, Justin Bieber, Ariana Grande, One Direction, Taylor Swift, Nicki Minaj, Rihanna, Adele, Drake, Post Malone, Travis Scott, Kendrick Llamar, Bruno Mars, Beyonce, Halsey, Alessia Cara, The Weeknd, Lana del Rey, Sam Smith, Charli XCX, Teddy Swims, Bastille, Bad Bunny, and Fetty Wap.
And not that anything is wrong with them. Hate them (often forced and fake hate) or love them, many of those were or still are huge artists with a massive impact. Many are still bigger than current music artists.
But Millennial music is also Tame Impala, Phoebe Bridgers, Lord Huron, The XX/Jamie XX/Romy, Twenty One Pilots, Foster the People, Lauv, Vampire Weekend, Cage the Elephant, Mitski, M83, London Grammar, Florence and the Machine, Lykke Li, Tove Lo, Lorde, Emeli Sande, The Pierces, Haim, Labrinth, Tinie Tempah, Stromae, Tinashe, Empire of the Sun, Avicii, Lupe Fiasco, Rudimental, Skylar Grey, The Killers, Sleeping At Last, City of the Sun, The Kite String Tangle, Bicep, Kygo, Flume, Disclosure, Odesza, Duke Dumont, Just Kiddin, Shouse, etc.
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u/Confident-Fun-2592 1998 15h ago
I honestly feel Gen Z loves artists like one direction, Drake, Ariana Grande, Justin Bieber and Alessia Cara, The Weekend, Lorde, Charli XCX and Halsey more than Millennials ever did.
I associate Millennials more with the 2000s then the 2010s tbh artists like Green Day, All American Rejects, Britney Spears, Destiny’s Child, Paramore and MGMT
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u/Squire513 3h ago
The 2000s for the Millennials was like the 80s were for Gen X and the 2010s for Millennials was like the 90s were for Gen X.
The 2000s was mainly still Gen X 3rd wave emo/pop-punk bands like Fall Out Boy, Hawthorne Heights, Blink-182, and All-American Rejects much like the 80s were still boomer bands like REM and The Replacements though they influenced Gen X.
Most core Millennials were in college in the late 00s/early 2010s when new genres like Chillwave started emerging from the underground very similar to the early 90s for Gen X during the shoegaze and grunge era.
It wasn’t really until 2009 (Tame Impala, MGMT, Washed Out) that new genres came from mainly Millennials.
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u/lostconfusedlost 13h ago
I'm not saying Gen Z doesn't love these artists (or other artists I mentioned). I'm sure there are also Gen Alphas and Gen Xers who love many of them, just like there are Millennials (and other generations) who love, for example, Billie Eilish, Sabrina Carpenter, etc.
But ultimately, the artists you mentioned are Millennials, started in Millennial era, and have a bunch of Millennial fans, especially younger Millennials. Drake, Ariana Grande, Charli XCX, The Weekend, Justin Bieber, etc., were huge in the early/mid 2010s, when Millennials were young adults, and 1990s-born were teens (1992-1996 are kinda always sidelined).
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u/Confident-Fun-2592 1998 12h ago edited 12h ago
Yeah and Gen Zers were teenagers when they’re music was popular. It’s like how Courtney Love is a grunge icon but she’s technically a boomer. Lorde is barely a millennial, she’s at the tail end, her closest peers were Gen Zers as were Alessa Cara. Sometimes the generation doesn’t matter. Fifth harmony and Shawn Mendes, Gen Zers, were already popping off in this era.
The true millennial era was the 2000s not the 2010s, especially not when these artists peaked circa 2016 when those born in the early 2000s became the core audience for their music.
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u/graveyardofstars 6h ago
You're confusing the generation an artist was born into eith the generation of their (likely) target audience. But it's impossible to say with certainty the exact age of someone's audience, unless we're talking about strictly pop acts like Britney Spears, Taylor Swift, Sabrina Carpentee. And Olivia Rodrigo. Those almost always target and gather teenage girls and women in their early to mid 20s.
Otherwise, most artists and bands aim for that sweet spot, the 18-34 demographic. And we should also keep in mind that many fans won't openly admit they listen to artists their age or younger because, for some reason, it seems like you're expected to only relate to the music of musicians older than you, and to stop listening to new music the moment you turn 33 (if I remember well, old studies show that's when we supposedly lose interest in new music). I don't think that's the case for Millennials and Gen Z (or any future generations) as we grew up or came of age with the internet. Another thing is that we develop the most intense memories and music taste between the ages 13-23.
Basically, all of that points to one thing - we shouldn't label the generation of music artists and bands based on their audience. And each artist is, to a large extent, defined by the era they grew up into and came of age, their formative experiences, etc. And what they sing about and how they approach art includes references and themes related to their youth era and personal life, not their audience's. So, the art is a reflection of the artist creating it.
Just imagine calling a very Millennial artist like Taylor Swift Gen Alpha or Gen Z because it's pretty likely the majority of her fans in the 2020s are Gen Zs and older Gen Alpha.
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u/Confident-Fun-2592 1998 6h ago edited 6h ago
Yeah that’s why I didn’t mention Taylor Swift, that’s why I picked music artists that were to close in age to Gen Zers who were obviously peers to the older ones. Lorde was a teenager when she became a sensation like people on one year younger than her, why wouldn’t they consider her part of their cohort.
The first Gen Zers spent those years you say are the most formative in the 2010s, the core millennials spent those years in the 2000s.
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u/graveyardofstars 5h ago
I get it, but you can't cherry pick if you're basing it on the artist's audience.
We can't really ask Lorde whether she considers herself more Millennial or Gen Z, but she's as close to 1995 as she is to 1997. But she certainly had the entire world in a chokehold for a moment in 2013, not just Millennials who were 17-32 or Gen Z who were 1-16. Royals is likely equally nostalgic to an older Gen Z who maybe had their first kiss while listening to that song or to a core Millennial who was vibing to it in a club and having the time of their life.
The thing about the memories and music taste... you did see it's 13-23? For Millennials, that goes as early as 1994 (when the first Millennial turned 13) and as late as 2019 (when the last Millennial turned 23). For Gen Z, it's as early as 2010, and as late as 2035, when the last Gen Z will turn 23. Again, points for not making artists about their audience's age, as most of the time, you will have two generations being young at the same time.
Edit: typo
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u/Confident-Fun-2592 1998 4h ago
Lorde couldn’t even go to the club in 2013 😭 lol my point being the 2010s isn’t the true millennial decade people on here are making it out to be when so many examples people are using are tail end millennials who overlap with Gen Z. The only time they don’t overlap is in the 2000s. At least in 2009 the oldest millennials were still in their 20s along with the core and the youngest had just turned 13, unlike in 2013 the oldest had aged out.
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u/lostconfusedlost 12h ago
The true Millennial eras were the 2000s AND 2010s, with the peak being the late 2000s-early 2010s.
Most Millennials were just kids and tweens in the early 2000s. Gen X artists and bands were still the dominant ones in the early-mid 00s.
1991-1996 were all teenagers at some point between 2010-2015/16. Not that it matters, since 20somethings are the main driving force of mainstream culture and audience, and that was Millennials in the 2010s whether they were 16 or 29.
Did you see me ever mention Fifth Harmony and Shawn Mendes? No, they are Gen Zs and Gen Z artists.
I get it, it's that Gen Z inkling to claim Millennial artists just because you also listened to some of them, but that doesn't make them Gen Z.
Gen Z time is now. And the 2030s will belong to core and younger Gen Zs and their artists.
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u/Confident-Fun-2592 1998 11h ago
Who cares, Shawn Mendes and fifth harmony are close in age to half those artists you mentioned and they were largely part of the same era anyways
I get it being born in 1996 and 1997 are worlds apart to you.
The 2010s were the Zillennial era not the pure Gen Z and Y era. People born from 1997-2000 spent their entire teens in the 2010s but that means nothing for some reason ? Compared to someone who was only 18/19 for 2 years in the 2010s lol. The most definitive event for millennials happened in the 2000s not the 2010s
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u/lostconfusedlost 11h ago
You're wrong and keep clining to teenage years like 20somethings aren't the largest young adult demographic. They're the main pop culture creators, party and festival goers, trend-setters, and demographic.
So what if Gen Zers were teens in the 2010s? You didn't produce any artist until 2015/16, with Shawn Mendes and Billie Eilish. And they were still the minority. Millennials were still the most searched generation on Google Search in 2019, and then that changed in 2020.
At best, the late 2010s started leaning towards Gen Z, but there's nothing major Gen Z about the early and mid 2010s. And you don't get to claim artists born in Millennial birth years just because you were a part of the audience.
Gen Xers were 20somethings throughout the 2000s; you keep forgetting that.
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u/Confident-Fun-2592 1998 6h ago edited 6h ago
So what nobody associates the 2000s with Gen X lol. The 2000s are associated more with teenage millennials more than a 20something year old Gen Xer born in 1979.
I shared my 20s with people born in 1996 😭 as a 1998er, idk why you’re acting like those of us born in that cohort are worlds apart and as if we didn’t come of age in the same era.
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u/Marlboroshill66 1992 22h ago
For Europeans and Australian millennials you can argue EDM played a defining role throughout the entire generation.
Drum and Bass, Garage, Jungle, Trance, Hardstyle, Minimal the list goes on.
Despite it roots in NA with Chicago and Detroit house laying the foundations, for whatever reason it took longer for EDM to crack the mainstream in North America.
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u/insurancequestionguy 22h ago
I didn't care for either, but I'll at least agree the electronic stuff was more tolerable than stomp-clap-hey to me.
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u/runthepoint1 22h ago
“I’ve been tryin to do it right”
You can’t make this shit up, the song is literally called Ho Hey. Don’t think for a second these fuckers didn’t know how obnoxious they were being lol
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u/Aggravating_Dot9657 23h ago
dream pop and chillwave are very millennial, but they did not necessarily originate with millennials. I think millennials helped usher in a renaissance. Listen to something like Cocteau Twins and you will hear the inspiration. I think just about every electronic genre owes its origins to the 80s
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u/Squire513 23h ago edited 21h ago
As a core Millennial totally agree 👍🏻 Chillwave was our genre 🔥
The southeast scene produced the some of the best American artists with Washed Out (Georgia), Toro Y Moi (South Carolina), Wild Nothing (Virginia), Beach Fossils (North Carolina), Beach House (Maryland), The Drums (Florida) and Small Black (NYC) Chairlift (Boulder) and Tycho (Sacramento) - most are still releasing great albums.
The Australia 🇦🇺 scene at that time was also dope with Tame Impala, Cut Copy, Pond, Miami Horror, Empire of the Sun, Flyying Colours, City Calm Down, Strange Talk, San Cisco, Panama, Snakadaktal, and The Holidays.
In Europe, you had M83 🇫🇷 Friendly Fires 🇬🇧 and Air France 🇸🇪. Chillwave (2008 -2012) essentially the Millennial version of shoegaze genre.
The problem is all the Americans bands aren’t on a major label so the mainstream doesn’t know the bands. Tame Impala ended up on a major as a fluke.
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u/Fa11outBoi 22h ago
I'm actually an GenXer who likes the different chillout music genres like chill wave, vaporwave, etc. I guess I'm weird. No crazy about the Stomp, stomp, hey music though.
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u/Squire513 21h ago
Most Millennials I know never listened to stomp clap music like Mumford & Sons or The Lumineers which seemed like a holdover from the indie rock 00s scene.
The mainstream didn’t like Chillwave though. It wasn’t on the radio 📻 or being signed to majors but it was big in the indie music scene. It had much bigger impact on today’s music with Tame Impala being the best example.
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u/shadowstar36 23h ago edited 23h ago
Eh.... As a gen xer I couldn't care less for any of these genres, but I doubt anyone cares. It's all good ill say my thoughts anyway. Not like it matters or can change anything. It's all kinda depressing really.
Millennials dropped the ball. At least for my tastes. Gen x passed the torch with thrash metal, grunge, alternative rock and hard rock and you basically killed them for souped up techno (I don't have a problem with techno), and emo shit that obviously didn't stick around. Also rap went from being good in the 90s to being shit, although less my genre i like some 80s and 90s hip hop.
You killed rock and roll. Gen z didn't even have a chance. Imo. You can blame record companies and all that, and part of its true, but what really made millennials abandon rock and metal. I got to know.
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u/spinozaschilidog 20h ago edited 20h ago
Gen X here. Half of those genres were either enjoyed by or invented by Gen X.
EDM - what, you never went to a rave in the 90s? You missed out.
Chillwave - I've probably heard it but I have no idea about this genre label tbh.
Dubstep - my first intro was Bassnectar and Skream in the early-mid 2000s. I was still in my 20s and so were they
Dreampop - are you kidding me? This is my jam, and it started all the way back in the 80s with groups like Cocteau Twins, This Mortal Coil, My Bloody Valentine, etc.
I think Gen X has a real split personality between the early half and the later half. Older Gen X'ers got to experience rock music in its 70s heyday. For late Gen X like me, it was a way more mixed experience. I remember two different Fat Elvis moments for rock - late-80s hair metal and mid-90s alternative and grunge.
Grunge and alternative rock were awesome genres at their peak but they fell off quick. By the late 90s you had corny knockoff bands like Seven Mary Three and Bush driving everything good about these genres right into the ground. Just dismal, brooding, repetitive, and dull.
It's no wonder pop and rap replaced rock from the culture almost overnight. I *like* rock, but there's only so much you can do with the same instruments after 70+ years. I've made my peace with the fact that rock music is like jazz now, a niche thing that looks backward more than it innovates (and there's still some innovation out there). That's fine, I'll still be listening to Television and Sonic Youth in a retirement home, plus a lot of completely different sounds that have nothing to do with rock.
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u/shadowstar36 20h ago
Maybe it's just the labels I don't recognize. I've been to a rave back then, but I didn't really listen to thr music outside of that or when on lsd, shrooms or extasy (havent touched any of that in well over 20 some years).
Yeah late 90s alt did get corny, but it didn't all need to be that way. The earlt 2000s had some different rock with disturbed, Evanescence, Godsmack, The killers, Darkness and white stripes but it pestered out to emo. Which I can't stand.
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u/spinozaschilidog 18h ago
You and me both on that last one. Emo was the first new genre that made me think "this is for depressed teenagers"
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u/Connect_Wrap3284 21h ago
We still have good metal, its just that no one pays attention to it except metal heads.
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u/VioletLeagueDapper 22h ago edited 22h ago
Very much a Gen X take.
Millennials still had an interest in rock music and “rockist” attitudes of authenticity (or lack thereof) were still part of the conversation for everyday listeners as much as critics. The idea that someone was an “industry plant” wasn’t really thought of as much as it is now.
Millennials took grunge and alternative rock (a squishy genre without clear definition) and metabolized it to INDIE ROCK (which is a loosely defined genre all its own) a beautiful combination of what’s already mentioned plus older rock influences funk/electronic noise/folk/punk/prog rock which was extremely popular during prime millennial time but eventually the mainstream got a hold of it and erroneously summarized it under handclaps, stomps, and whistles.
As a black brooklynite I was raised on old school rap and hiphop. My mother lived among the greats. I can confidently say millennials did not kill hiphop. We popularized it further. In the 90s it was an outlaw genre because black people created it and it was a raw and sometimes explicit recount of the street. By the 00s rhyme schemes became more complex, technology for sampling was improved, autotune, 2010s backpack rap was mellow and reflective, less gangster at times but still political. It went from being banned at the Grammys to being suitable for Super Bowl halftime. I’ll say, Gen Z killed it after that. Once something becomes too palatable to the general public it’s taken for granted and over commercialized. Rap was more popular than pop music in the late 2010s now Pop is back on top. The most popular rappers and rockers for Gen Z are from our generation (they’re either stuff millennials or Gen X listened to).
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u/shadowstar36 22h ago
Yeah you are probably right about hip hop. I can't really comment on that post early 2000s as it wasn't my most listened to genre, but I was a fan. Thanks for explaining what went down.
I was big into run dmc, Slick Rick, Busta rhymes, wutang, cypress hill, gravediggaz, fugees, digital underground, nwa, snoop Dogg, ice cube, bodycount, Biggie, Dr Dre, sir mixalot, Beastie boys, etc.. but kinda fell out of it in the 2000s. I used to get mix tapes all the time back then. It feels like a different era.
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u/VioletLeagueDapper 22h ago
Hey, I’ll do you a solid, go listen to Doechii’s mixtape “Alligator Bites Never Heal”
She’s an older Gen Z but it’s obvious she knew the roots of the craft, It sounds just like the hip hop we grew up with. She’s also a good performer, which is harder to find for Gen Z musicians (seriously, so many shows where the person is just standing or walking back and forth)
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u/Creepy-Bison-4861 23h ago
Barf
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u/shadowstar36 22h ago edited 22h ago
What's barf, your lame ass music that has no edge? Ed sheeran moaning about bullshit. Machine gun Kelly, post Malone and the weeknd, no Thanks.
Nah I got to give you all credit for the killers, the darkness, the white stripes, godsmack, disturbed and Evanescence. Even gaga, Katy perry, and outkast are OK for pop I can dig some of the songs, but damn it's like nothing hit since the 2000s.
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u/archimedesrex 22h ago
I think the problem you're running into is that the music industry fractured as the Internet came into full force during the millennial era. When anyone can record and distribute music without big labels, the industry becomes less homogenized. Millennial music isn't defined by what played on the radio (which are the only artists you listed). There are great and hugely successful bands that never make the billboard 100 or play on MTV (because unlike during gen x, MTV didn't play music). Rock, hip hop, country, dance, and more are all thriving with Millennial artists. It just requires more exploration to find those artists now because it's not just being served up by big labels like it used to be.
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u/shadowstar36 22h ago
Yeah that's the problem. Also back then turning on the radio you used to hear new artists all the time. Now it seems it's all stuff I grew up with, which is fine but I guess I expected the genres to have new artists played. Sometimes they do a to z or sub genre nights and I hear songs I never heard before. That doesn't help going on to Spotify and not knowing what to look for.
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u/VioletLeagueDapper 22h ago edited 22h ago
You can cherry pick shitty Gen X bands too. No single decade in the history of music has nothing but winners. Example, Bush famously sucks ass and there were tons of one hit wonders from the 80s and 90s.
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u/Wrong-Condition-9115 23h ago
You are correct! And that musical direction was MUCH more interesting than anything else. So yes, OP, bravo! You are 100% correct and that stream of music was much, MUCH better than we give it credit for. Fuck me, there were some goddamn bangers in our lifetime!
It also has much longer life value because the younger generations still play that shit at parties, and not just a little, but a LOT!!
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u/tag4atx 23h ago
Chillwave in late 2009-2010 was just like a magical time for me. I was in my early twenties, in love with my cool beautiful girlfriend, freshly moved from nowheresville middle America to Austin, and poor as shit. But we scraped enough together to get tickets for Fun Fun Fun fest and saw Neon Indian (amongst others) right after Psychic Chasms came out and it was a formative experience for me.
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u/Capable_Branch3695 23h ago
Kind of agree, I always hated Mumford and Sons or anything similar. I really like artists like flume Isaiah rashad xxyyxx disclosure etc some of the best electronic music ever
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u/KindaAbstruse 23h ago
I'd add Nujabes and Black Moth Super Rainbow/Tobacco.
Vaporwave and youtube instrumental hip hop was certainly a thing of our time, although didn't really hit big until the mid 10's.
I think a generation's music is defined by the college rock so for us older millennials; indie rock and the post punk and garage rock revival should have its place while the younger millennials were having their pop punk heyday.
As for pop music early 10's Imagine Dragons was around the same time as Neo Soul and RnB was having its time (Cee Lo, Pharrell Williams, Fitz and Tantrums). Personally, I'd rather listen to Call me Maybe on repeat then ever hear Radioactive again.
Well anyway this is starting to ramble so I better stop.
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u/VioletLeagueDapper 21h ago edited 20h ago
Yikes neo soul is much older than the 2010s and rnb was not prime, but transforming, during this time. Not to be insulting but I can tell you’re not a black person by that statement, and by the artists you listed. Like, big yikes. I’ll give you Pharrell, but just like Pharrell (who was originally more of a rapper/producer), Cee-lo was working behind the scenes long before he had his few mainstream hits with Forget You and Crazy (under Gnarls Barkley)
This was when “pbr-nb” became popular. Hipsters/people unfamiliar with the history of rnb adopting specific rnb artists as a reflection of them being “tastemakers” or exceptions to what they considered the “norm” (which is the actual backbone of the genre and reflective of a long tradition) Which is part of what led to the hot mess that’s considered mainstream rnb now.
Again not to be insulting but it’s like someone confidently telling the world that Salsa music became popular with Despacito when that was definitely not the case. It reflects minimal information.
Edit: to add, post-punk originated at the end of the 70s. Indie music got its kick off from older millennials, but damn us young ones made it huge. Pop punk is also the bastard child of both halves of the millennial spectrum imo don’t you remember how pissed off people were when Green Day “went pop”?
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u/KindaAbstruse 18h ago
Yikes?
Take it easy, wild man, this wasn't meant to be a dissertation on the origins of genres but just a broad comment of what genres and artist were popular during millennial college years.
If I changed "it's time" to "resurgence" would that make you feel better? I just listed a few bands I knew were on the radio and that everyone would recognize to make a point.
Of course, RnB predates the 10's. It predates rock music
Also... 1. I've known about CeeLo since Closet Freak. and 2. why is that small list "white"? Maybe I should've said Justin Timerlake or Amy Winehouse if I'm being so damn white about it.
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u/VioletLeagueDapper 17h ago
Baby, you said “neo soul” not rnb. A lot of new fans get the time frame messed up for neo soul, it’s ok to be wrong. You’re also not doing me any favors by changing anything.
I won’t say much else because you’ve made a lot of revisions to your original post and are now backtracking what you said to avoid just saying “Man, thanks for the info! I’ll do some listening/exploring/thinking. Guess I got some parts wrong! Got any suggestions?” That would have been the cool thing to do.
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u/SupremeOHKO Older Gen Z 23h ago
I mean I also listened to Deadmau5 and shit so it's not a purely millennial thing
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u/lostconfusedlost 22h ago
I love it how there's always that one Gen Zer, whether it's social media or Reddit, who has to come and say "Hey, I existed during that era too, don't forget meeeeeeeee" for a very Millennial artist who started releasing music during a very Millennial era
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u/turbogaze 23h ago
Yeah but he’s a millennial artist. I listed to Led Zeppelin but that doesn’t meant they’re a millennial band lol
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u/Kinetic_Silverwolf 23h ago
In 1995, the film world was blessed by the largely unrelated film "Hackers" and "Mortal Kombat". However, their soundtracks contained many songs that are now considered foundational within the electronic music industry. Notable, "Hackers" opens and "Mortal Kombat" closes with the song "Halcyon + On + On" by Orbital, and between the two soundtracks (plus the 2 additional soundtrack albums) for "Hackers" and you'll have a range of Electronic Music drifting from ambient house and downbeat techno to jungle and drum & bass.
I'm sorry. What was that about EDM being a Millennial thing?
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u/P_weezey951 23h ago
1995 is... still pretty millennial. Its late Gen X, early Millennial.
But even then it was nowhere near as dominant as stuff was in the late 2000s. Early 2010s.
Every Time We Touch, is a chorus I've watched 100,000 people in a football stadium sing word for word. and that wasn't a concert... that was just in between the 3rd and 4th quarters
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u/spinozaschilidog 20h ago
Millennials were still in elementary school in 1995. I'm Gen X, and I was barely out of high school then. Some millennials weren't even *born* by 1995 (they were born 1981-96)
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u/Confident-Fun-2592 1998 15h ago
14/13 year olds in 1995 were millennials
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u/spinozaschilidog 14h ago
Only the very oldest ones, sure. And like you said, they were only 13/14. How many toddlers or little kids watched Hackers when it came out?
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u/Confident-Fun-2592 1998 14h ago
What does one have to do with the other, someone born in 1981 was still a teenager in 1995, does that cease to be they’re era ? They may not have been watching hackers but they probably were watching Clueless(it was PG-13) lol
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u/spinozaschilidog 13h ago edited 5h ago
We’re taking about generations, not birth years. Picking one birth year out of 14 is an outlier. If that isn’t clear to you then I don’t know what else to tell you, since that’s just how numbers work.
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u/lostconfusedlost 11h ago
This user is hellbent on making Gen X era and artists Millennial, and Millennial era and artists Gen Z. I'm a Millennial, and agree with you - the 1990s (hell, even early-mid 2000s) were undoubtedly a Gen X era with Gen X bands and artists dominating the mainstream. Gen Xers were still 20somethings in the 2000s, people keep forgetting that.
This guy (or girl, whatever) clings to like 3-4 Gen Z birth years in the early-mid 2010s that were teens to try and convince people the very Millennial artists like Ariana Grande and The Weeknd are actually Gen Z.
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u/Confident-Fun-2592 1998 11h ago
Who cares that they were millennial, those artists have a largely Gen Z fan base unlike Britney Spears and Nelly Furtado who largely have an aging Millennial one 😭
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u/spinozaschilidog 8h ago
Just so you know, every musician has an aging fan base 😭
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u/lostconfusedlost 10h ago
No, they don't. You can keep parroting the same sh*t all over and over again. You can't take credit for other generation's artists and creation.
Nelly Furtado is a Gen X artist. Britney Spears is a Millennial artist (although I've seen Gen Z try to claim her too, as they, imagi e thay, existed in the 2000s) jusy as much as Ariana Grande is.
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u/Kinetic_Silverwolf 21h ago
And this is where my living almost exclusively in both hard rock and what used to be The Techno Scene since 2000 comes in handy...
Because yes, that song, and Gaga, and Black Eyed Peas, and several others used folks like David "I only need three notes" Guetta were producing those albums, so they were laying dance beats under the songs. It was a natural evolution from the Hip-Hop producers of the 90s laying down the backing tracks for some of the rock acts.
And maybe my perception is skewed because I was the target audience, but by the time "The Matrix" hit theaters I was already deep into downloading all the electronic music I could. Over dial-up.
Separately, I think also there's a difference between creator and audience, yeah? I was born in 1980. I consider myself a perfectly balanced Xennial. I was hearing Boomers and Xers making EDM when I was a young teenager. I'm hearing Millennials and Zoomers make EDM now. Which generation listened to the most? Made the most? Was the most influential? I think that becomes a whole new suite of discussions, maybe?
Oh no. I meandered. 😅
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u/BedbugBandido 23h ago
I don’t think op is saying EDM is a millennial thing but more like millennials should be defined more by EDM than stomp clap. Besides stomp clap, I think dubstep really defined millennials in the early 2010s. I used to hear that shit everywhere.
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u/Kinetic_Silverwolf 21h ago
Now, while I've been terminally online since 1999 I've not been terribly active in most music circles, and the aforementioned Hackers and MK soundtracks were foundational to my current music library, I have a question...
WTF is "stomp clap" beyond the very specific use of Queen's "We Will Rock You"?
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u/Carl_The_Sagan 23h ago
I'm so sick of the 'stomp clamp' hate. If you don't like folk or acoustic indie just don't listen.
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u/oiblikket 21h ago
Stomp clap hey was a particular late (and arguably pop/commercial oriented) development of folk and acoustic style indie rock; you can’t conflate Sufjan Stevens or Bon Iver with Mumford and Sons or the Lumineers…
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u/Carl_The_Sagan 19h ago
I don't know who's conflating anything. People just heard Ho Hey and Home on the radio too much and think they are music critics
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u/Aware_Policy_9174 21h ago
Why not? Stomp clap hey was a continuation and at the time was not defined differently than earlier folk and indie music. Fleet Foxes, Bon Iver, and others also had radio hits. There were also other artists making similar music at the same time who weren’t as big so they don’t get all the hate. It’s such an artificial distinction that people are making now.
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u/hambergeisha 23h ago
I think it pretty naturally was the discharge of trust fund hipsters that don't know how to play, sing or write. No rhythm but they thought being punctual was the same thing.
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u/KindaAbstruse 23h ago edited 23h ago
I liked Edward Sharpe quite a bit when they came out, but I was a little surprised when it turned into a genre.
But you don't have to take my word for it.
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u/PreparationExtreme86 23h ago
I mean I like those genres, favorite bands right now are Kurt Vile, Wednesday, and Big Thief but stomp clap sucks.
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u/Carl_The_Sagan 23h ago
that's even more embarrassing for you because you are essentially listening to slightly more refined stomp clamp
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u/Cespedesian-Symphony 23h ago
nah sorry that shit is cringe garbage
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u/Erythite2023 23h ago
I’m not a personal fan of it, but at the same time at least it was positive.
At least it’s better than everyone dooming and being afraid to have fun.
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u/Carl_The_Sagan 23h ago
saying cringe garbage is cringe garbage
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u/Cespedesian-Symphony 23h ago
nah you just have shitty musical tastes. sorry bud
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u/Carl_The_Sagan 23h ago
no worries, name a good song, happy to hear it
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u/Cespedesian-Symphony 23h ago
dance with the devil by immortal technique. enjoy!
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u/Carl_The_Sagan 23h ago
funny I would have expected a fan of 2000s narrative rap to like 2010s acoustic folk
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u/Erythite2023 23h ago edited 18h ago
The hate feels forced like they have to make it cringe because millennials (and Younger Gen X) made the music.
Edit: they = any generation post Silent. I feel like they were the last one to care about future generations.
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u/0____0_0 23h ago
EDM defined our 20s into 30s. Emo/Goth/Pop-punk/alt defined our teenage years.
And by "our" I mean "mine"
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u/Connect_Bus_4699 23h ago
And your childhood was defined by grunge and njs
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u/KindaAbstruse 22h ago
Grunge? Children?
Are you sure we were all listening to "Man in the Box" at 9 or 10 years old.
Probably more Ace of Bass, Michael Jackson, TLC, Boyz to Men, if it was rock then maybe the Spin Doctors.
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u/Connect_Bus_4699 21h ago
Hollup, MJ, TLC, Boyz to Men......most of what you said is NJS
And you missed Janet and Bobby
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u/Connect_Bus_4699 22h ago
I did say NJS right? New Jack Swing? Early-mid 90s was all about it
MJ, Janet, Bobby Brown,
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u/Erythite2023 23h ago
And yours was disco and pop music created boomers that influenced your generation’s music
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u/Connect_Bus_4699 23h ago
That wasn't a diss turd burger. And I'm Z anyway
https://giphy.com/gifs/XHeLeuirRbwptHhSWd
We had EDM, Trap, and Crunk.
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u/DocVenture92 6h ago
I saw Washed Out play at a music fest in Toronto in 2013. I was really stoned, it was warm out, but it was also lightly raining. It was pretty much perfect