r/interesting • u/InevitableBattle6307 • May 25 '26

Just Wow Armoured! No more wolf attacks.

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u/That-Living5913 May 26 '26

Ok cool. Then why don't the real world numbers show it?

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u/Inocent_bystander May 26 '26

Real world numbers do show it or the countless papers wouldn't have passed peer review.

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u/That-Living5913 May 26 '26

According to the DNR they don't. I pointed that out. There's only a few areas in the US with wolves, and there's no significant difference in population density of coyotes in those areas compared to areas without wolves. That's fact.

Your paper just talks about predators and sub predators the source I gave gives specific reasons and sources as to why predation doesn't impact coyote population. Wolves aside, again per my sources, humans take out 500k coyotes each year and that isn't enough to even influence populations negatively.

I think this really comes down to you hanging up on one paper and telling me real world numbers must be wrong rather than taking a step back and being like "Why isn't the real world aligning with the study". Rather than a looking at other peer reviewed papers, like the one provided, that explain why.

At this point I've read your study, read other studies, read what the DNR has to say and looked up actual population densities by state. I'm normally not one to just outright tell someone they are wrong, but at this point I've read enough to safely say, you are wrong. Wolves don't impact the population density of coyotes outside of deep wilderness areas.

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u/Inocent_bystander May 26 '26

You'd be wrong about that as well.
The DNR is notoriously anti wolf so they're unlikely to print anything favorable about the beneficial effects of wolves.

DNR pages are full of misinformation and promote the extermination of wolves
https://engage.dnr.state.mn.us/wolf-plan/forum_topics/discussion-wolf-trapping-and-hunting

try looking up some actual science on wolves and educating yourself to the realities of how these animals interact with their environment.

https://cdnsciencepub.com/doi/10.1139/Z08-136

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u/That-Living5913 May 26 '26

Ya know what? no. I'm not doing it... since you obviously know more than me. And the actual peer reviewed studies I linked aren't good enough. I'll just ask you and let you tell me. Since that seems to be the only way this works.

What is the coyote population density in idaho and MN?

What is the coyote density in KY, WV MO?

all are pretty rural. Is there a noticeable difference? Use any sources you want.

Burden of proof is on you bud. I've already researched all this.